Oh yeah, Angela, now the three of you are getting somewhere! Using a BLOG, The New York Times, a Lutheran pastor that is also a psychic, & a KJV onlyist as accurate sources for church history so you can condemn several entire christian movements, including revivals.
This is the claim:
What is really taking place is what this brother quoted, & boy did he hit the nail on the head!
Angela, you Sarah & zone have done every thing you can to condemn these movements & correct & judge those who believe in them.
3 women, 2 Lutherns & 1 Baptist, all of which vehemently believe that a woman isn't supposed to reprove, teach, preach, or rebuke a man based on their own beliefs have all through multiple threads in this forum taught, reproved, rebuked, judged, & condemned men using the scriptures.
Now as authorities, they are once again doing this to condemn revivals & movements from the mid 1700's & foward. These women, sinning against their own beliefs, are by the definition of their own beliefs, playing the hypocrite. They say, & do not.
Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Judge not, that ye be not judged. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Don't even THINK of using the excuse "this isn't the church", For the true church is the Body of Christ, & many members of Christ's body are members of CC.
Matthew 25:40 (KJV) [SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Well, you forget I have taken a lot of history courses in my degrees. That includes when I was studying to be a deaconness in the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada (The AoG Canadian version) and read all about the history of the Pentecostal movement in various courses. I have taken several Master's level church history courses, and Baptist history, so I do have a background in all these preachers, evangelists, and the movements of God. Even Baptists take note of the Pentecostal Movement, seeing it is all around us.
So no, not just depending upon what I have read here, more putting together all my years of studies, being a Christian and my experiences inside the Pentecostal movement, with the light coming together more than a few times in this thread.
And to say that I do not believe women should be in ministry is an outright lie. I have been on numerous threads, posting the Greek, explaining the vocabulary, the grammar and syntax defending a women's right to be called and used of God in ministry. While I agree many Baptists fall in line with the Lutheran and other denominations about women not being in ministry, because of some very bad translations of the Greek, I think anyone in this forum who has been around for more than a month knows where I stand on this issue. Ironic anyone would ever accuse me of not believing women can not only teach, but be pastors, and chaplains, which is where God called me to work! And that definitely includes the poster I have quoted, who just told a lie about me, on a topic which we are actually not discussing in this thread!
Women in ministry is probably the one area I do disagree with Lutherans and many Baptists, based on my study of the Bible. BUT, I do not think it affects in any way issues of soteriology or other doctrine. So, I am content to post, to teach when applicable and especially to learn. And God has moved in amazing ways to have me leading and teaching men and women, and I have never had a single complaint! Sorry for the derailment, but it was brought up by the poster quoted!
Of course, if you don't like the sources that have been posted Stephen, we have been begging the pentecostals/charismatics for 10 pages now to post what YOU think the origins of the Pentecostal movement are. Other than the standard line fed to them in church about the day of Pentecost being the start, when clearly, there was NO continuity to the present day of the gifts, there has simply been NOT ONE THING posted by those who believe that the Pentecostal Movement is the Biblical truth.
So please, enlighten us with your links on the history of the movement. I am willing to read and I will stand corrected. But methinks that the links were all pretty accurate and you are going to have a lot of trouble refuting them.
I have never believed in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Even when I was a Pentecostal. It just it NOT in the Bible. I even had my Pentecostal pastor say it was 'iffy" in the Bible.
I saw the evils in the bastard child - the Prosperity or Health and Wealth gospel, when I read Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland back in the early 1980's. No one has to convince me of how wrong that movement is, when my best friend claimed healing of her breast cancer, did not take treatment and died when the cancer metastasized through her whole body and actually drove her insane at the end when it went into her brain. Or when her husband, a recognized speaker with Full Gospel Businessmen who spoke throughout the world on the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and was featured on a cover issue of their magazine ran off with another woman - several times with his succession of wives.
Not saying everyone does that, but I only know of one man still following God who was seeking after signs and wonders. And he is Oneness Pentecostal, so messed up theology beyond belief. Another serious error in the Pentecostal movement.
It would be interesting to see how these branches evolved after the movement got "restarted"! But I think that has been covered enough.
I will say, I think there are people in almost every denomination who have found Christ. But how sad to be seeking power, unintelligible tongues, signs and wonders, when in fact, the gospel message is one of repentance and forgiveness, and growing in love and character under the correction of the Holy Spirit through the Word of God.
