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Praus, the Bible prophesied that there would come scoffers and mockers in the last time (2 Peter 3:3, Jude 1:18).
Therefore Praus, you are a fulfillment of that Biblical Prophecy.
3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, - 2 Peter 3:1-3 (King James Bible)
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. - Jude 1:17-18 (King James Bible)
Therefore Praus, you are a fulfillment of that Biblical Prophecy.
3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, - 2 Peter 3:1-3 (King James Bible)
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. - Jude 1:17-18 (King James Bible)
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The word Azal has nothing to do with it. It's the Hebrew word נסתם (nstm) that is mistranslated in the KJV, and in all bibles based on the Masoretic Text. In them it is translated “you shall flee” (נוס, nvs, Strong’s H5127). In bibles based on the Septuagint (LXX) reading it is translated “it shall be closed up” (סתם, stm, Strong’s H5640). The reason contradictory meanings exist regarding נסתם (nstm) is because the various manuscripts themselves contradict each other regarding what the correct pronunciation of this word is.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence that the LXX meaning is correct. But I will just mention one fact at the moment. Archaeologists have determined that Azal mentioned in this verse is a small valley due south of the Hinnom Valley. This is common knowledge in Jerusalem, and here are some examples (nahal means river or valley):
The fact that Azal lies south of both Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives renders impossible the King James version of Zechariah 14:5 in which people are to supposedly flee east from Jerusalem through a split Mount of Olives to Azal.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence that the LXX meaning is correct. But I will just mention one fact at the moment. Archaeologists have determined that Azal mentioned in this verse is a small valley due south of the Hinnom Valley. This is common knowledge in Jerusalem, and here are some examples (nahal means river or valley):
- City of David Jerusalem Segway Tour Company (2nd paragraph): “At the foot of the ridge is the deep channel of Atzal River (Zechariah 14:5), which advances toward the Kidron Valley. Its Biblical name was preserved by the Arabs as Wadi Yasul”
- An American Girl in Jerusalem (3rd paragraph): “This is the Azel Valley mentioned in Zechariah 14:5 in reference to the earthquake that occurred during King Uzziah’s reign around 760 B.C.”
- Israel Antiquities Authority, Excavations and Surveys in Israel, Jerusalem, Nahal Azal
- Digital Archaeological Atlas of the Holy Land, Site 353104995: Nahal Azal
The fact that Azal lies south of both Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives renders impossible the King James version of Zechariah 14:5 in which people are to supposedly flee east from Jerusalem through a split Mount of Olives to Azal.
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Anything translated from the text of the masorites (masoretic text) is HIGHLY suspect, they ADDED vowel points to the text ALTERING IT, literally saying, "no this word is pronounced like this now."
because of the forgery of the masorites yod-Hey-Waw-Hey, or YHWH was turned into YaHoWaH, latinized as JaHoVaH.
because of the forgery of the masorites yod-Hey-Waw-Hey, or YHWH was turned into YaHoWaH, latinized as JaHoVaH.
Sir, again, the King James Bible is right.
Remember, you are to read the Scriptures in the context that they are given in. A text without a context is a pretext.
1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. - Zechariah 14:1-9 (King James Bible)
This passage sir, is a direct reference to the Second Advent (Second Coming) of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This event has not happened yet. When you are studying the Bible, you have to study it dispensationally. Comparing Scripture with Scripture. So again, the King James Bible is right. And so is the Hebrew Masoretic text.
Also, compare Zechariah 14:1-9 with Revelation 19:11-21.
Sir, the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is a reality.
I suggest that you get yourself a King James Bible. And that you read it, study it, and rightly divide it. Study the Scripture dispensationally.
And ask God to open your eyes to His perfect and infallible word, the King James Holy Bible.
Trust that God's word is perfect and inerrant.
ChosenbyHim, "walk after their own ungodly lusts" is your teachers who keep getting married and divorced and they don't care, you don't care, and satan doesn't care.
If you are really a Christian and if you really know what the King James Bible says, then this should be very easy for you to answer: what ungodly lusts do I, Praus, suffer from exactly?
You are bearing false witness against me because, once again, you don't care what the King James Bible actually says.
You have made yourself an abomination to God and I know quite well that's the work of an evil spirit, not you.
Pr 6:16-19 ¶ These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
The time for me to label you as a false teacher is past, your continuing defense of sexual perversion makes you a devil worshipper, ChosenbyHim.
ChosenbyHim, I pray again and again and again for His Blood to drive away whatever spirit is whispering into your ear.
I do not agree with divorce as I know that it is never part of God's perfect will for any Christian. Marriage is to be for life.
But what you need to understand is that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).
You have been attacking Final Authority. And you mock and scoff at those like myself who defend Final Authority.
Therefore you are a scoffer.
Am I really bearing false witness against you? You mock and scoff at the position that I and other Bible believers take regarding the Bible Version Issue and Absolute Final Authority.
And then you get offended when someone sees you for the scoffer that you are?
You have been bearing false witness against the character of King James I. You have also been bearing false witness against brother Will Kinney, and have posted stuff about Gail Ripinger, most of which has not even been verified.
Yep that's right. Amen.
So I suggest you stop spreading lies about Will Kinney and that you stop posting Phil Stringer's baseless assertions and allegations that he makes against Gail Riplinger and her character.
continuing defense of sexual perversion??? Huh??
What are you talking about?
What you need to pray for is discernment. Because you seem to lack a lot of it.
And you also need to stop attacking the Authorized King James Bible.
And stop spreading James White's lies on this website.
I've already answered all of that, how much does Bryan Denlinger pay you to write the posts on Christian Chat?
Six days ago, before he was banned, Will Kinney posted this.
The only person to "Like" that post is you, ChosenbyHim.
If you knew Phil Stringer or Will Kinney is a liar, then why did you "Like" that post?
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Six days later you turn around and announce that "Phil Stringer has already been proven to be a LIAR."?
Why are you attacking Phil Stringer's good character like that?
On what basis do you call him a liar?
Pastor <- link - "Pastor Stringer serves on the Advisory Councils for First Light Baptist Mission, the Graceway Bible Society of Canada and the Dean Burgon Society."
How did the Dean Burgon Society not detect that Phil Stringer is a liar?
Are you and Bryan Denlinger smarter than the Dean Burgon Society?
The only way I can make any sense of this is that Bryan Denlinger is paying you to write these posts on Christian Chat.
The only person to "Like" that post is you, ChosenbyHim.
If you knew Phil Stringer or Will Kinney is a liar, then why did you "Like" that post?
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Six days later you turn around and announce that "Phil Stringer has already been proven to be a LIAR."?
Why are you attacking Phil Stringer's good character like that?
On what basis do you call him a liar?
Pastor <- link - "Pastor Stringer serves on the Advisory Councils for First Light Baptist Mission, the Graceway Bible Society of Canada and the Dean Burgon Society."
How did the Dean Burgon Society not detect that Phil Stringer is a liar?
Are you and Bryan Denlinger smarter than the Dean Burgon Society?
The only way I can make any sense of this is that Bryan Denlinger is paying you to write these posts on Christian Chat.
Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in [his] wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger [from his right], and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
Gail Riplinger, who you have been promoting as a Bible teacher here on Christian Chat, doesn't even know how to pronounce the word "discernment".
http://www.avpublications.org/articles/gail-riplinger-who-is-she.pdf
"The main problem with Gail Riplinger referring to herself as a “linguistics expert” is that she has demonstrated a chronic inability to correctly pronounce certain words with which she should be well familiar, throughout her lectures and interviews. The following is an example of some of the words she mispronounces:
The Correct Word with Correct Pronunciation / How Riplinger Mispronounces the Word
discernment (di’ sern ment) / dee-sern-ment 114
A linguistics expert is at least able to sound out words correctly. If Mrs. Riplinger did not proclaim herself a “linguistics expert,” it would be simpler to go easy on her about her word mispronunciations. But if a person is going to declare herself an expert in an area in which she clearly demonstrates she is not, then for the sake of truth it must be addressed."
Gail Riplinger, who you have been promoting as a Bible teacher here on Christian Chat, doesn't even know New Testament Greek--or any Greek at all.
"Dr. H. Wayne House, apologist and professor of Law and Biblical Studies, engaged in a two-hour debate with Riplinger in 1994. He states that he “had to ask her four times before she hesitatingly admitted that she really could not read Greek.” There was the answer, even though it had to be drawn hesitatingly out of her."
I'm confused, how do you know that the KJV is inspired? Perhaps you know something that the translators don't?
Here's the 1611 preface, is it in there? -> 1611 KING JAMES BIBLE INTRODUCTION
Here's the 1611 preface, is it in there? -> 1611 KING JAMES BIBLE INTRODUCTION
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The funny thing is , most people believe their bible to be inspired. It is when you do some study and thinking about the way we got our bible , you find out the material is inspired. It just was not written in English. So english translations are just that. A translation of an inspired text. You can get closer to the original by using a interlinear that uses nestle aland text as a starting point. Even that is not inspired. Only the originals were
Well if you work for the Lord, then you need to stop attacking Final Authority, and start defending it.
Also, this video is in response to the one you posted with James White.
James White lies about Dean Burgon and 1Jn.5:7
[video=youtube;-IkvRE9QR_o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IkvRE9QR_o[/video]
Published on Jun 12, 2013
In this video I discuss yet another lie by James White. In his book, he asserts that Burgon, would have been against 1Jn.5:7 because Burgon defends 1Ti.3:16 against Griesbech, an early modern critic, who attacked the correct reading of 'God'.
Burgon cited Griesbech's rejection of 1Jn.5:7 due to little evidence, while accepting the false reading of 1Ti.3:16 with even less evidence.
Burgon was not saying he rejected 1Jn.5:7 as White asserts. This view comes from White's own convoluted logic.