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I explained to you that in string theory, the space between two quarks is not empty. You keep insisting it is for some reason. See: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/97622-paranormal-11.html#post1665903
One of the attributes of that space is dark energy (see Einstein's cosmological constant) which provides, what is known in astrophysics, as potential energy (or more simply energy stored in a physical system which is detectable only because of its effect on visible matter) which is available for the production of virtual particles (which typically don't stay in existence more than a quintillionth of a second before annihilating [not to be confused with billions of years]).
So the real question isn't what's between quarks but rather where does dark energy originate from?
That's easy, of course. It originates from GOD. "All things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." -Col 1:16.
The book of Job the book of Job had it right in stating that darkness is a real substance (e.g. ordinary dark matter, exotic dark matter, and dark energy) with specific cosmic locations that reveal the greatest level of fine-tuning design for the benefit of biological life on earth.
The Bible taught it first: http://www.reasons.org/articles/big-bang---the-bible-taught-it-first
One of the attributes of that space is dark energy (see Einstein's cosmological constant) which provides, what is known in astrophysics, as potential energy (or more simply energy stored in a physical system which is detectable only because of its effect on visible matter) which is available for the production of virtual particles (which typically don't stay in existence more than a quintillionth of a second before annihilating [not to be confused with billions of years]).
So the real question isn't what's between quarks but rather where does dark energy originate from?
That's easy, of course. It originates from GOD. "All things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." -Col 1:16.
The book of Job the book of Job had it right in stating that darkness is a real substance (e.g. ordinary dark matter, exotic dark matter, and dark energy) with specific cosmic locations that reveal the greatest level of fine-tuning design for the benefit of biological life on earth.
The Bible taught it first: http://www.reasons.org/articles/big-bang---the-bible-taught-it-first
I don't think I have ever felt this longing, though for a time I did very much want to believe, but I think it may have been fear of Hell that compelled me to seek God. I am not really sure. Today, however, I feel no longing for God at all. Both my sons are atheists. I am quite sure they have never experienced a longing for God. I've got the feeling that this longing you speak of comes from deep belief in God; those who don't have the belief don't experience a longing.@Cycel
Back in the day people used to preach, if you don't do this or that you are going to hell. That completely turned me away from wanting to know more. However this is what Jesus said:
…18"THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, 19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD." 20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.…
Of course the religious folks did not like what he said.
John 17
For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
…3So He told them this parable, saying, 4"What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5"When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing.…Luke 15:4
He came to save, not condemn or judge but to preach the good news of the gospel. That whoever believes in him might have life.
It is the good news......
Back in the day people used to preach, if you don't do this or that you are going to hell. That completely turned me away from wanting to know more. However this is what Jesus said:
…18"THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, 19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD." 20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.…
Of course the religious folks did not like what he said.
John 17
For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
…3So He told them this parable, saying, 4"What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5"When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing.…Luke 15:4
He came to save, not condemn or judge but to preach the good news of the gospel. That whoever believes in him might have life.
It is the good news......
String theory is not proven. It is hypothetical and awaiting some sort of physical confirmation.
I think you have something confused here. Potential energy and dark energy are not related.
Krauss makes the same point and I believe I also stated the same thing in a previous post.
You haven't explained anything by attributing dark energy to God. You are no better informed about how the energy is created than are the physicists. At least they are looking for an explanation while you seem content to consider the case closed.
I am sorry. This just strikes me as silly.
I think you have something confused here. Potential energy and dark energy are not related.
Krauss makes the same point and I believe I also stated the same thing in a previous post.
You haven't explained anything by attributing dark energy to God. You are no better informed about how the energy is created than are the physicists. At least they are looking for an explanation while you seem content to consider the case closed.
I am sorry. This just strikes me as silly.
We are treading close to issues of original sin and the nature of mankind: basically good or depraved.
When disasters strike and civil authorities are overwhelmed, we have seen an increase in crimes like looting. I think this happens because people think that they can get away with it. Crimes and atrocities and wars have been significantly many in the history of mankind. When disasters strike, we see how people might behave if not retrained by the fear of law enforcement (or the fear of God).
When disasters strike and civil authorities are overwhelmed, we have seen an increase in crimes like looting. I think this happens because people think that they can get away with it. Crimes and atrocities and wars have been significantly many in the history of mankind. When disasters strike, we see how people might behave if not retrained by the fear of law enforcement (or the fear of God).
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Obviously, that's why they call it string theory which is what I stated in an earlier post.
And they are related in the context and way I used them. Read this: What is dark energy? | plus.maths.org from John D. Barrow.
Krauss is mistaken. Read: Reasons To Believe : A Universe from Nothing? A Critique of Lawrence Krauss' Book, Part 1 and Reasons To Believe : A Universe from Nothing? A Critique of Lawrence Krauss' Book, Part 2 again and keep reading until you finally overcome the psychological barrier against anything written by qualified astrophysicists who happen to be Christian that refutes the atheists you've put your faith in to understand why.
And, there's nothing silly about sharing with you the historical biblical texts relevant to this discussion. Your negative volition toward them is so enormous that apparently you cannot recognize what is a clear correlation. So, it "strikes you as silly." Well, that strikes me as silly of you as does your pretention that someone trying to figure out how to circumvent the most plausible explanation rather than understand it is somehow exercising greater integrity. Wrong.
And they are related in the context and way I used them. Read this: What is dark energy? | plus.maths.org from John D. Barrow.
Krauss is mistaken. Read: Reasons To Believe : A Universe from Nothing? A Critique of Lawrence Krauss' Book, Part 1 and Reasons To Believe : A Universe from Nothing? A Critique of Lawrence Krauss' Book, Part 2 again and keep reading until you finally overcome the psychological barrier against anything written by qualified astrophysicists who happen to be Christian that refutes the atheists you've put your faith in to understand why.
And, there's nothing silly about sharing with you the historical biblical texts relevant to this discussion. Your negative volition toward them is so enormous that apparently you cannot recognize what is a clear correlation. So, it "strikes you as silly." Well, that strikes me as silly of you as does your pretention that someone trying to figure out how to circumvent the most plausible explanation rather than understand it is somehow exercising greater integrity. Wrong.
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I'm not sure he differentiates between a forgery deliberately designed to mislead people into the pantheistic gnostic error of heretical splinter groups and a genuine canonical letter whose nature and purpose is the exact opposite.
Maybe he views it all as "silly."
Since He's rejected the Christ creator God sent humanity through the Jews as "silly"; it's ironic than an atheist Jew named Krauss who thinks that 2+2=5, that classical logic is wrong, that quantum energy is nothing, that something can be called nothing, that nothing can do something, and that philosophy is useless has become the repository for his faith... lolol.
Maybe he views it all as "silly."
Since He's rejected the Christ creator God sent humanity through the Jews as "silly"; it's ironic than an atheist Jew named Krauss who thinks that 2+2=5, that classical logic is wrong, that quantum energy is nothing, that something can be called nothing, that nothing can do something, and that philosophy is useless has become the repository for his faith... lolol.
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Atheists are both redefining nothing and erroring in the process of redefining nothing... meaning, in the first case, they aren't really talking about nothing but just appropriating the word without it's actual meaning.
Then they pretend they have more scientific integrity than a Christian like British mathematician, philosopher of science, and professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford John Lennox who states, "They have not solved the question [because they've redefined something as nothing]. Whereas, from the Christian point of view the question is solved because there wasn't nothing (actual meaning of nothing): there was God who's non-physical (e.g. God is spirit) and He caused it to exist and supports it."
It's natural that Christians involve themselves in the scientific endeavor for the purpose of understanding what and how God accomplished what He did from a POV that it's ultimately important and ultimately meaningful for them to do so. Integrity is inherent to this POV.
Atheists, on the other hand, involve themselves in the scientific endeavor from a POV that is not ultimately important or ultimately meaningful. If no atheist was ever involved in the scientific endeavor, from the POV of atheism, it just doesn't ultimately matter for their entire worldview is built on the premise that there is no spirit Creator, godly normative morality, or spiritual dimensions like heaven (or hell) beyond this brief doomed blip on the radar which amounts to nothing more than transitory biological life smeared over a rocky planet. Integrity is not inherent to that POV.
Then they pretend they have more scientific integrity than a Christian like British mathematician, philosopher of science, and professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford John Lennox who states, "They have not solved the question [because they've redefined something as nothing]. Whereas, from the Christian point of view the question is solved because there wasn't nothing (actual meaning of nothing): there was God who's non-physical (e.g. God is spirit) and He caused it to exist and supports it."
It's natural that Christians involve themselves in the scientific endeavor for the purpose of understanding what and how God accomplished what He did from a POV that it's ultimately important and ultimately meaningful for them to do so. Integrity is inherent to this POV.
Atheists, on the other hand, involve themselves in the scientific endeavor from a POV that is not ultimately important or ultimately meaningful. If no atheist was ever involved in the scientific endeavor, from the POV of atheism, it just doesn't ultimately matter for their entire worldview is built on the premise that there is no spirit Creator, godly normative morality, or spiritual dimensions like heaven (or hell) beyond this brief doomed blip on the radar which amounts to nothing more than transitory biological life smeared over a rocky planet. Integrity is not inherent to that POV.
I started a new thread for discussion of topics like original sin and human nature at http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-nature-salvation-how-free-how-dependent.html.
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I see a lot of discussing erroneous beliefs or discussing scientific theories. But what it really comes down too (especially on a christian site) is what does God say in His word about this subject. I don't see may people posting bible verses to support their positions, and yet most of us on this site claim to be Christians. Why are we not turning to God's will which you can find in His Word. Yielding our own opinion and beliefs to His just authority?
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons......
Leviticus 19:31
Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.
Isaiah 8:19
And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God,.........
These are just a few. But I think the message is clear.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons......
Leviticus 19:31
Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.
Isaiah 8:19
And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God,.........
These are just a few. But I think the message is clear.
Deceit, pride, vanity, conceit, hypocrisy, pretention, presumption, unthankfulness, unbelief are among sins that easily beset and probably afflict all of us more than we know.
Motives can be mixed. I'm just an amateur theologian but sin has been been compared to a plague and a disease and a part of human nature. That's why the basic prayer is: Lord, have mercy.
Motives can be mixed. I'm just an amateur theologian but sin has been been compared to a plague and a disease and a part of human nature. That's why the basic prayer is: Lord, have mercy.
Most of these traits would not apply to Spock. It seems to me you have to work pretty hard to find some misdemeanour that would make him worthy of punishment. The matter of unbelief is actually more a function of the accident of birth. Typically we continue to believe those things we were taught as children, so effectively God punishes those born into the wrong cultures, or so believers would wish us to think. I wonder, though, whether the pertinent biblical passages are more a reflection of the desires of the human authors, than of God?
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I actually came on here as there is something that has followed me since I was about 12 years old. I won't say it's a demon for sure, and if people think I'm crazy that's fine. Felt exhausted again for no reason early this evening. Felt like I was being crushed/strangled in my bed again. There are times I think I'm dreaming, but it's like i'm levitating in my room. I see a shadowy figure around my house, my mother has seen it too. I do believe in Jesus/God and am baptized. I think that's the only reason I'm not allowed to be harmed. I'm an honest person and have struggled with substance abuse on and off since an early age, and am also in counseling and on medications. It's the fact that this started the same time I started the hard drugs at 12. I've never done any psychedelic drugs though. Whatever it is has been with me 30 years now. It scares me 1/2 to death but hasn't hurt me by the grace of God. Anyways, whether you think i'm insane or not, please say a prayer for me. Thanks =)
Hi Haunted1972, I see your first post here on a thread called "The Paranormal". Thank you for sharing.
You know from Genesis 1-3 that Almighty God gave dominion over a paradise to Adam and Eve but they were unthankful and wanted more. Therefore, they disbelieved and disobeyed God. They ate the forbidden fruit. They believed and followed the serpent, also known as Satan or the Devil.
God continues to respect earth as a place of dominion for the human race spawned by Adam and Eve. God was rejected by Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve accepted the serpent and his invitation. Subsequently, Adam and Eve's descendants have rejected the one true, Almighty God. By prayer and faith, as holders of the dominion of the earth, men and women need to invite Almighty God back into His rightful place on the earth.
We rightfully give honor to parents and civil authorities and organizational leaders but ultimately: Jesus is LORD. Be devoted to the God whom you know is there. The Bible contains prophecies and promises that are still being fulfilled.
If we believe God's Word in the Bible, then we know that there are angelic and demonic spirits on the earth. They are spiritual entities. Sometimes, Almighty God may even let us "see" them.
I see that you have been involved with counseling and medications and have been involved in the past with substance abuse. I see that. God bless you. Be strong. Pray strongly and invite God back into right relationship with yourself and others.
"Be strong in the LORD and in the power of His Might..." - Ephesians 6:10
You know from Genesis 1-3 that Almighty God gave dominion over a paradise to Adam and Eve but they were unthankful and wanted more. Therefore, they disbelieved and disobeyed God. They ate the forbidden fruit. They believed and followed the serpent, also known as Satan or the Devil.
God continues to respect earth as a place of dominion for the human race spawned by Adam and Eve. God was rejected by Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve accepted the serpent and his invitation. Subsequently, Adam and Eve's descendants have rejected the one true, Almighty God. By prayer and faith, as holders of the dominion of the earth, men and women need to invite Almighty God back into His rightful place on the earth.
We rightfully give honor to parents and civil authorities and organizational leaders but ultimately: Jesus is LORD. Be devoted to the God whom you know is there. The Bible contains prophecies and promises that are still being fulfilled.
If we believe God's Word in the Bible, then we know that there are angelic and demonic spirits on the earth. They are spiritual entities. Sometimes, Almighty God may even let us "see" them.
I see that you have been involved with counseling and medications and have been involved in the past with substance abuse. I see that. God bless you. Be strong. Pray strongly and invite God back into right relationship with yourself and others.
"Be strong in the LORD and in the power of His Might..." - Ephesians 6:10
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Just wanted to say thanks. It's off the paranormal conversation, but yes no one can convince me there isn't a Jesus or God for the simple reason I didn't die 30 years ago lol. Started out with heroin and cocaine at 12 in Detroit. I got in more situations that I shouldn't have. It's literally a miracle I'm not dead and never have been to prison. I'm still rough around the edges, but I try to do right. As a matter of fact every time I start getting my life on track, this negative thing starts up in the house again. I believe it's the devil trying to wear me down. Anyways, I sound like a freak on here but thank you for any prayers sent my way. I need them =)
You are in no way a freak, you are a child of God and you have authority in the name of Jesus. The closer you try to get to God, you will have battles, but that is how you learn. The thing in your house wants to put fear on you(that is what they do). Rise up and be strong, get loud, rebuke it in the name of Jesus, tell it to leave and not come back. I had a spirit wake
me up three times. i rebuked it twice, the third time it woke me up i said real loud, Jesus send it to the pit and that was the last of it. Our weapons are mighty through God to the tearing down of strongholds.We fight against spiritual wickedness in high places, according to the word. So don't think your crazy. Jesus give you peace and guide you into all truth.And put a hedge of his glory around you.
me up three times. i rebuked it twice, the third time it woke me up i said real loud, Jesus send it to the pit and that was the last of it. Our weapons are mighty through God to the tearing down of strongholds.We fight against spiritual wickedness in high places, according to the word. So don't think your crazy. Jesus give you peace and guide you into all truth.And put a hedge of his glory around you.