The perennial Acts 2.38 confusion .

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eternally-gratefull

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Every believer that has ' Greekitus ' is unwittingly doing this . " Oh you see ,that translation really is a bad one , I prefer this one over here ,and then this one over here should really say ... because in the greek it says ... oh and that verse shouldn't be in there ... and the ending of such and such is not in the .... and the account of such and such is not found in the older and better most ... and that word in the greek ,when you stand on your head, squint your eyes just right ,you'll see the article and the conjunctivitis of the overture with the tritone punctulosious ,with the present future passive, fluid ,static grammaticculousus , trapezium you will see it really doesn't mean what you think it says "
So now you bear false witness

show me where i said any English translation as a whole is a bad translation

you can’t help yourself can you?
 
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SophieT

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I think I can probably let this thread stand now , as it proves my point .
let me translate that for the common good of the understanding of the good folk here

'I am loosing this one and getting spanked real good so I am going to quit now.'
 
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eternally-gratefull

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let me translate that for the common good of the understanding of the good folk here

'I am loosing this one and getting spanked real good so I am going to quit now.'
wow! Big smiles
 

mailmandan

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In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Not according to my Bible.
Can you show me where in the Bible being baptized is a penalty for sin?

adam was told if he sinned he would die ie the penalty of sin is death

when he sinned, god caused death so Adam could be covered

from that point forward, god commanded animal sacrifice.

the law taught the penalty of sin was death, and that the priest would have to make atonement for sin on the day of atonement, by as you guessed it. Death of an unblemished lamb

the NT says the penalty of sin is death. It says all have sinned thus all are dead, it says the gift of God is eternal life through Christ? Why? He who knew no sin became sin for us, as John said, behold the lamb of god who takes away the sin, as the sacrificial lamb without spot, moses told us whoever broke one command was cursed, and paul told us what he meant, cursed is the one who hangs on a tree, representing Christ who hung on a cross

moses was told to hold a serpent up that whoever sees my live, Jesus said just like Moses lifted the serpent the son of man must be lifted, that whoever may believes will live eternally (eternal life)

so again, please show me where water baptism is seen as a penalty of sin, because I just can’t see it
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Where did I use the term " as a whole " ?
Then your being deceptive trying to make it look like I believed an English text is fully defective

own Up to it man. Or will you remain in your pride?
 

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The epistles are written to those who have already received the foundational spiritual rebirth.
Yes its written to believers. Who need to know how to reach and teach others as to what happened/ happens to a person when they believe..Eph 1.13 .
 

throughfaith

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Then your being deceptive trying to make it look like I believed an English text is fully defective

own Up to it man. Or will you remain in your pride?
Your the one adding the terms ' Fully ' and " as a whole " . For effect . Nice try .
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Your the one adding the terms ' Fully ' and " as a whole " . For effect . Nice try .
what’s funny is I am not the only one who saw what you wrote, and called you out on it.

you exact words were
Every believer that has ' Greekitus ' is unwittingly doing this . " Oh you see ,that translation really is a bad one , "
something which has never been said, you did not say they say a few parts in that translation was bad. You said the translation (whole)

so again. own up to it man.
 

throughfaith

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what’s funny is I am not the only one who saw what you wrote, and called you out on it.

you exact words were


something which has never been said, you did not say they say a few parts in that translation was bad. You said the translation (whole)

so again. own up to it man.
Could you highlight the part where I say anything like what your saying ? As if I would say there are people who don't believe the whole of any English translation. Have you been drinking?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Could you highlight the part where I say anything like what your saying ? As if I would say there are people who don't believe the whole of any English translation. Have you been drinking?
You said translation, you never said part, no one who reads you would take you as saying parts

again, your your own worse enemy, I guess I need to just stop feeding you again.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I see why details don't matter to you .
Oh they do
if someone came and told me I did not like a book, I would take them to mean the whole book, if he meant parts of it he would say he did not like parts of the book.
but I forget, your mind thinks differently than others forgive me

i though you said you were leaving this thread as your job was done, I guess you were wrong there also?
 

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The short of all this is Peter was preaching to Jewish People who had a ritual of purification by the authority of Jesus.

Ezekiel 36:25
Then I will sprinkle pure water on you and make you pure. I will wash away all your filth, the filth from those nasty idols, and I will make you pure.

Hebrews 9:13
The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a cow were sprinkled on those who were no longer pure enough to enter the place of worship. The blood and ashes made them pure again—but only their bodies.

Hebrews 10:22
Sprinkled with the blood of Christ, our hearts have been made free from a guilty conscience, and our bodies have been washed with pure water. So come near to God with a sincere heart, full of confidence because of our faith in Christ.