The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”
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If your being obedient to
1. Gain salvation
2. Keep salvation
3. Prevent yourself from losing salvation./
it is a works based Gospel.
if on the other hand, you work out of gratitude of having been eternally saved by the blood of Christ. and you love because he first loved you and saved you.. then these are works of gratitude and an outpouring of love.
I am amazed at people who can not learn the difference between these two types of works.
1. Gain salvation
2. Keep salvation
3. Prevent yourself from losing salvation./
it is a works based Gospel.
if on the other hand, you work out of gratitude of having been eternally saved by the blood of Christ. and you love because he first loved you and saved you.. then these are works of gratitude and an outpouring of love.
I am amazed at people who can not learn the difference between these two types of works.
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Notice some things in these passages.
1. Every branch that does not bear fruit he lifts up (takes away is a bad translation)
2. Youi are CLEAN because of the word.. (they are saved by the word. not by actions)
3. abide, so you may bear fruit (not keep saved)
4. Whoever bears thorn of briers is rejected and NEAR to being cursed. (he is not cursed. he is near. hence he is still saved, it reminds me of the bema seat. where people will have al;l their works burned as wood hay and straw. yet he himself will STILL BE SAVED even as though through fire.
Non of these passages show people losing salvation
1. Every branch that does not bear fruit he lifts up (takes away is a bad translation)
2. Youi are CLEAN because of the word.. (they are saved by the word. not by actions)
3. abide, so you may bear fruit (not keep saved)
4. Whoever bears thorn of briers is rejected and NEAR to being cursed. (he is not cursed. he is near. hence he is still saved, it reminds me of the bema seat. where people will have al;l their works burned as wood hay and straw. yet he himself will STILL BE SAVED even as though through fire.
Non of these passages show people losing salvation
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See how you STOPPED mid sentence.
Your right, it is NOT by our good deeds we are saved, but by his mercy
It’s not our works of righteousness that saves us (Titus 3:5). It’s the righteousness commandments/works of God that do[/QUOTE]
There you go people. Next time this use says he does not preach a works based salvation. here we have it in his own words.
Its not our good deeds that save us, It is the righteous commands and works that we do (which in essence are works of righteousness)
So not only did this use contradict himself in one sentence. but he is telling us what he denies, that he is trying to earn salvation through obeying Gods commands and doing those works. or good deeds.
Your right, it is NOT by our good deeds we are saved, but by his mercy
It’s not our works of righteousness that saves us (Titus 3:5). It’s the righteousness commandments/works of God that do[/QUOTE]
There you go people. Next time this use says he does not preach a works based salvation. here we have it in his own words.
Its not our good deeds that save us, It is the righteous commands and works that we do (which in essence are works of righteousness)
So not only did this use contradict himself in one sentence. but he is telling us what he denies, that he is trying to earn salvation through obeying Gods commands and doing those works. or good deeds.
I looke forward to his answer.
I will give mine
John 3, by faith in the cross and he who was raised on the pole
We recieved eternal life and the promise we will never perish the moment we trusted christ.
You can't do anything to remain born again. You could not save yourself. you surely can not keep yourself saved
I will give mine
John 3, by faith in the cross and he who was raised on the pole
We recieved eternal life and the promise we will never perish the moment we trusted christ.
You can't do anything to remain born again. You could not save yourself. you surely can not keep yourself saved
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The tax collector got on his knees, unable to even look up. and cried out for Gods mercy
He went home justified.
He did nto pump his chest thinking he was nto like the sinner
He did not promise to do this or that
He put his faith in christ.
if you are trusting anythign else. You should doubt your salvation.
He went home justified.
He did nto pump his chest thinking he was nto like the sinner
He did not promise to do this or that
He put his faith in christ.
if you are trusting anythign else. You should doubt your salvation.
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