The protestant reformation.

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Magenta

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No, sorry to break it to you, you have not been born again. Nicodemus didn't understand either that Jesus was talking about the resurrection.
New International Version
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Living Translation
For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.


English Standard Version
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;


Berean Study Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


Berean Literal Bible
having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,


King James Bible
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


New King James Version
having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,


New American Standard Bible
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1995
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1977
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and abiding word of God.


Amplified Bible
for you have been born again [that is, reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] not of seed which is perishable but [from that which is] imperishable and immortal, that is, through the living and everlasting word of God.


Christian Standard Bible
because you have been born again —not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
since you have been born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


American Standard Version
having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
As persons who have been born again, not from fallible seed, but that which is infallible, by the living word of God which stands for eternity.


Contemporary English Version
Do this because God has given you new birth by his message that lives on forever.


Douay-Rheims Bible
Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever.


Good News Translation
For through the living and eternal word of God you have been born again as the children of a parent who is immortal, not mortal.


International Standard Version
For you have been born again, not by a seed that perishes but by one that cannot perish—by the living and everlasting word of God.


Literal Standard Version
being begotten again, not out of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, through a word of God—living and remaining—throughout the age;


New American Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and abiding word of God,


NET Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Revised Standard Version
You have been born anew, not of perishable but of imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Heart English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God.


Weymouth New Testament
For you have been begotten again by God's ever-living and enduring word from a germ not of perishable, but of imperishable life.


World English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever.


Young's Literal Translation
being begotten again, not out of seed corruptible, but incorruptible, through a word of God -- living and remaining -- to the age;
 

crossnote

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#43
Yes well said,
God loves all RC's and protestants alike. But Sola Scripture and Faith alone in Gods grace through Jesus Christ alone is what was needed in that time and in our time today. Thank God that man like Luther make a stand for the truth.
Today i see many church denominations going back to the RCC and giving up pillars that they fought hard to set as church truth because they want to be united again with the powers that be.

The RCC said they will not change their beliefs so the protestant churches need to change theirs to unite.

My fear is that the Christian world will move to unite the church and think that they are doing Gods will, but the true church will not unite in false teachings and error.

We are told that Gods people will be persecuted because they hold true to His word. Joh_15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Have you noticed that whenever there is an ‘accord’ between the RCC and EVANGELICALS, guess which side has moved.
 
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#44
New International Version
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Living Translation
For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.


English Standard Version
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;


Berean Study Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


Berean Literal Bible
having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,


King James Bible
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


New King James Version
having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,


New American Standard Bible
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1995
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1977
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and abiding word of God.


Amplified Bible
for you have been born again [that is, reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] not of seed which is perishable but [from that which is] imperishable and immortal, that is, through the living and everlasting word of God.


Christian Standard Bible
because you have been born again —not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
since you have been born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


American Standard Version
having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
As persons who have been born again, not from fallible seed, but that which is infallible, by the living word of God which stands for eternity.


Contemporary English Version
Do this because God has given you new birth by his message that lives on forever.


Douay-Rheims Bible
Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever.


Good News Translation
For through the living and eternal word of God you have been born again as the children of a parent who is immortal, not mortal.


International Standard Version
For you have been born again, not by a seed that perishes but by one that cannot perish—by the living and everlasting word of God.


Literal Standard Version
being begotten again, not out of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, through a word of God—living and remaining—throughout the age;


New American Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and abiding word of God,


NET Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Revised Standard Version
You have been born anew, not of perishable but of imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Heart English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God.


Weymouth New Testament
For you have been begotten again by God's ever-living and enduring word from a germ not of perishable, but of imperishable life.


World English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever.


Young's Literal Translation
being begotten again, not out of seed corruptible, but incorruptible, through a word of God -- living and remaining -- to the age;
The grass withereth and the flower thereof falleth away.
 
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#46
You must not consider yourself born again.
Of course for if i did then I would be a liar. But I will be born again most surely because the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified and raised up from the dead and this is the true faith and hope.
 

Magenta

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#47
Of course for if i did then I would be a liar. But I will be born again most surely because the
Lord Jesus Christ was crucified and raised up from the dead and this is the true faith and hope.
Do you then consider Peter a liar in this regard? Sadly mistaken? Just plain wrong?
 

Magenta

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#49
No Peter is not a liar. In fact I am quoting him.
I know, and so did I, which, concerning what he said, you deny.

In fact you claimed that being in agreeance with him would make you a liar.
 
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#50
I know, and so did I, which, concerning what he said, you deny.

In fact you claimed that being in agreeance with him would make you a liar.
No, I said if I claimed I was born again I would be a liar. The resurrection day has not happened yet. We're looking forward to the resurrection, that's a big point, that's why it is faith. You would do well to read the whole chapter, for it is about how we look forward to the resurrection and how through believing in God's promise, shown in Jesus, we have faith that we will indeed be resurrected.
 

Magenta

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#51
No, I said if I claimed I was born again I would be a liar. The resurrection day has not happened yet. We're looking forward to the resurrection, that's a big point, that's why it is faith. You would do well to read the whole chapter, for it is about how we look forward to the resurrection and how through believing in God's promise, shown in Jesus, we have faith that we will indeed be resurrected.
Our hope being in the resurrection neither contradicts nor denies that we are already born again.

That is what you deny. Perhaps you are not born again, but that does not mean others are not.

Peter confirms that we are already born again.

Not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring Word of God.

You disagree with him, and therefore Scripture.
 
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#52
Our hope being in the resurrection neither contradicts nor denies that we are already born again.

That is what you deny. Perhaps you are not born again, but that does not mean others are not.

Peter confirms that we are already born again.

Not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring Word of God.

1 Peter 1:18-25

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 

Magenta

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#53
1 Peter 1:18-25

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
New International Version
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Living Translation
For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.


English Standard Version
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;


Berean Study Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


Berean Literal Bible
having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,


King James Bible
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


New King James Version
having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,


New American Standard Bible
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1995
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1977
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and abiding word of God.


Amplified Bible
for you have been born again [that is, reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] not of seed which is perishable but [from that which is] imperishable and immortal, that is, through the living and everlasting word of God.


Christian Standard Bible
because you have been born again —not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
since you have been born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


American Standard Version
having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
As persons who have been born again, not from fallible seed, but that which is infallible, by the living word of God which stands for eternity.


Contemporary English Version
Do this because God has given you new birth by his message that lives on forever.


Douay-Rheims Bible
Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever.


Good News Translation
For through the living and eternal word of God you have been born again as the children of a parent who is immortal, not mortal.


International Standard Version
For you have been born again, not by a seed that perishes but by one that cannot perish—by the living and everlasting word of God.


Literal Standard Version
being begotten again, not out of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, through a word of God—living and remaining—throughout the age;


New American Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and abiding word of God,


NET Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Revised Standard Version
You have been born anew, not of perishable but of imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Heart English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God.


Weymouth New Testament
For you have been begotten again by God's ever-living and enduring word from a germ not of perishable, but of imperishable life.


World English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever.


Young's Literal Translation
being begotten again, not out of seed corruptible, but incorruptible, through a word of God -- living and remaining -- to the age;
 

Magenta

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#54
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.


1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God,
and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of Him.


1 John 2:29
If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him.


1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.


1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused
us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


John 1:13
Who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
 
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#55
I'm a Catholic Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and the Bible says, if you believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is the Lord, and confess with your mouth that God raised Him from the dead, as I do, you will be saved. And so I certainly consider myself born again, though I know some anti-Catholics will disagree with me.

I'm not anti-Protestant. I have many Protestant friends, and sometimes worship along with them. Faith in Christ as True God and Only Savior unites us despite some differences that remain. In pro-life and charitable works, we can certainly co-operate. I respect especially the Conservative Evangelical Denominations, that are Anti-Abortion, and Pro-Matrimony.

Anyway, having read a lot in Church History, I can quite confidently say it is quite different from what most Protestants have been raised to believe. Take the Evangelism of Europe. For e.g. How did it happen? Through the Roman Catholic Church! That's a Historical fact.

For e.g. as everyone should know, Catholic Bishop Saint Patrick, in the 4th century, was sent by the Pope, to Ireland. When he arrived, almost the whole nation did not know Christ. After an Annointed Ministry of Miracles and Preaching, and Teaching the Holy Trinity that had just been defined in the Church Councils at his death, the whole nation was Christian!

Take England. The same story repeats. Pope Gregory the Great sent St. Augustine of Canterbury, a Bishop, along with about 40 monks, to England. They prayed and fasted, worked and labored in love for the Lord. Soon the whole nation was Christina in One Church. That I believe is how God Willed it.

I pray all Christians will be One some day again in the Future. That is the Lord's Will for us, as He prays in His High Priestly Prayer in John 17. He tells us the World will believe in Him when we are One in Him. His Prayer will one day be fulfilled, since the Word of God also says, He was heard in all things out of reverence for Him. I pray for the same also.

The key issue was Holy Communion. The Catholic Church maintained it was literally the Body and Blood of Christ, as I also believe, while most Protestants, like Calvin, taught that it was merely symbolic. Some Protestants still believe it is literal. Luther did also. But this core issue divided the Church.

Let's continue to pray, study Scripture, grow in Love for Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and one another, and ask the Holy Spirit to guide us into All Truth. In Lord Jesus' Name. Amen.

Edit. P.S. The word "denominations" never occurs in the Holy Bible. When the Lord speaks of His Church, e.g Mat 16:18 and Mat 18:17, He always speaks of it as One Church.

God Bless.
 

ResidentAlien

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Anyway, having read a lot in Church History, I can quite confidently say it is quite different from what most Protestants have been raised to believe.
I don't really care about the history of the Catholic church, it's irrelevant. What's relevant is the fact it won't repent of its idolatry and false teaching. Until then, you're talking to deaf ears.