The protestant reformation.
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If one isn’t born again they couldn’t understand spiritual things, maybe that is the actual problem with someone here…
1 Corinthians 2:10-14 NASB
[10] For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. [11] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, [13] which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. [14] But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
1 Corinthians 2:10-14 NASB
[10] For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. [11] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, [13] which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. [14] But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
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A movement that lead to the overthrow of the catholic religions domination and persecution of Christians.
For some it lead to God for others it lead to more deception.. It was an opportunity for the common people to gain access to the Bible and read The Word of God for themselves..
It's mostly been forgotten.. And i think the catholic religion would want it to be forgotten but i don't know if there is any secret catholic church program out their seeking to suppress the knowledge of this happening..
For some it lead to God for others it lead to more deception.. It was an opportunity for the common people to gain access to the Bible and read The Word of God for themselves..
It's mostly been forgotten.. And i think the catholic religion would want it to be forgotten but i don't know if there is any secret catholic church program out their seeking to suppress the knowledge of this happening..
Reformation did not go far enough and should have excised every evil spirit/institution/belief of the monarchial episopate all the way back to the corruptions of philo the jew. But instead, the spirit of destruction and the putrid stench of regurgitated false doctrines still lingers and lingers in the false prophet, the era in which we reside. The fourth Horseman measures us to be so.
It is the hallmark of postmodernist thought is to virtue signal. Their only goal is to destroy the concepts of modern innovations without any wisdom to replace it. How similar is it with the phrases "born again", "Holy Spirit", when their doctrines serves up frog legs and bad vintage win? Discern wisely using the Wisdom of God. The Scriptures are a Gift.
Consider
Matt 7:18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Consider, the Book of Revelation, the last Prophecy. It warns
Rev 14:7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Juxtapose this with
John 15:10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Fear your Father if you are disobedient. Love your Father by obeying Him.
No amount of fantasies, myths, feel good anecdotes or doctrines of man will replace the pure loving obedience to the Father.
It is the hallmark of postmodernist thought is to virtue signal. Their only goal is to destroy the concepts of modern innovations without any wisdom to replace it. How similar is it with the phrases "born again", "Holy Spirit", when their doctrines serves up frog legs and bad vintage win? Discern wisely using the Wisdom of God. The Scriptures are a Gift.
Consider
Matt 7:18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Consider, the Book of Revelation, the last Prophecy. It warns
Rev 14:7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Juxtapose this with
John 15:10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Fear your Father if you are disobedient. Love your Father by obeying Him.
No amount of fantasies, myths, feel good anecdotes or doctrines of man will replace the pure loving obedience to the Father.
I had the same question. So asked the Lord to tell me. He said something that amazed me. "They know Me as the Way. They know Me as the Truth. They do not know Me as the the Life". I thought a lot about that and how it related to my own life. I was not so clear myself. Now I know exactly what Lord Jesus meant.
Another problem is lack of discernment. Many Christians do not know the difference between the Holy Spirit and emotion. It was a problem for me. I saw this happening without understanding. So I assumed that the Holy Spirit was only for emotional people, which I tried very hard not to be. So I went the opposite direction, entirely intellectual. Neither are right. The Christian is a spirit person, with a soul, that inhabits a body. The soul should serve the spirit, not dominate it. Soul is basically mind, emotion and will.
Another problem is lack of discernment. Many Christians do not know the difference between the Holy Spirit and emotion. It was a problem for me. I saw this happening without understanding. So I assumed that the Holy Spirit was only for emotional people, which I tried very hard not to be. So I went the opposite direction, entirely intellectual. Neither are right. The Christian is a spirit person, with a soul, that inhabits a body. The soul should serve the spirit, not dominate it. Soul is basically mind, emotion and will.
Just a title? You are wrong. God knows those who are His and counts them extremely precious. Lord Jesus is the Head of His body, the church, the fullness of Him who fills all things. (Ephesians 1:23). You make sweeping generalisations that slander those who do walk in the Spirit, that are Christ centred and do express the fruit of the Spirit. You can find those people in many different denominations. I find that many Christians have no loyalty to a denomination anyway. They go where they hope to find fellowship and sound teaching. That's not so easy these days.
Surveys and my personal observation reveal that most churchgoers are not born again. That's something you should keep in mind when railing against "church". The church is not the construct of man and not those who self identify either.
Surveys and my personal observation reveal that most churchgoers are not born again. That's something you should keep in mind when railing against "church". The church is not the construct of man and not those who self identify either.
Since you admit that "most churchgoers are not born again ", you should know that what I said is no slander. Those who echo what they heard from the lamestream media are definitely not walking in spirit, pastors and worship leaders included, for what comes into the mouth doesn't defile a man, what comes out of the mouth does.
In that case they are not Christian at all. That's a big judgement to make on a whole lot of people that you do not know. The Toronto Blessing qualifies as the deception that would deceive the elect. The elect are God's people, not unbelievers. So falling for a deception does not mean that the person is not saved.
The usual problem with the 'love' talk is that it turns God's grace (that which Christ did on behalf of sinners) into law talk (what we must do to win God's favor.)
The doctrines/ propositional truths of the Reformation set the Church free to love both God and man. The Book of Galatians sets forth similar truths. Pre-Reformation Rome pushed 'love for mankind' while ignoring the love revealed in Jesus Christ for the sinner...iow, they had no Gospel.
The doctrines/ propositional truths of the Reformation set the Church free to love both God and man. The Book of Galatians sets forth similar truths. Pre-Reformation Rome pushed 'love for mankind' while ignoring the love revealed in Jesus Christ for the sinner...iow, they had no Gospel.
Another problem is replacing the Word of God with teachings from certain rabbis, pastors, theologians or other "experts". That was the status quo during Jesus's ministry, and such personality cults are still prevailing in some orthodox Jewish communities in Israel. In the Sermon on the Mount, all those "you've heard it's said" were references of such teachings from some prominent rabbis. At the end, the audience were "astonished", not entirely by the contents of the sermon, but by his audacity to challenge the rabbis, his critical thinking skills, as he spoke with AUTHORITY instead of quoting this or that rabbi like most speakers usually did.