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Magenta

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Resurrection means to rise from the dead. This is how one can be born again, when we will be given new bodies. Think about it for a few minutes after I post this before you respond, just a few minutes it doesn't have to be long. We will rise out of the grave, we will be given new bodies, we will literally be born again. This is when we will be saved, this is the salvation of God, this is his promise throughout the scriptures, this is what all the heroes of the Bible hope for. It is hope, it is faith because it has not happened yet, it is not seen yet, this is why it is faith.
Our hope being in the resurrection does not in any way shape or form
negate the fact and Scriptural truth that we are already born again.



1 Peter 1:23 plus 1 John 5:4
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Romans 6:3-4
Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was
raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
 
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Our hope being in the resurrection does not in any way shape or form
negate the fact and Scriptural truth that we are already born again.
You have hope that you will be born again. That's fine, but you have not been born again, not yet. There is a difference. For certainty there are many that think they have been "saved" or "born again" even among the idol worshippers, but are they? Not at all. You have to run the race and endure.
 

Magenta

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You have hope that you will be born again. That's fine, but you have not been born again, not yet.
There is a difference. For certainty there are many that think they have been "saved" or "born again"
even among the idol worshippers, but are they? Not at all. You have to run the race and endure.
You are talking about two separate issues and conflating them.

New International Version

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

New Living Translation
For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.

English Standard Version
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

Berean Study Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Berean Literal Bible
having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,

King James Bible
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

New King James Version
having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

New American Standard Bible
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

NASB 1995
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

NASB 1977
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and abiding word of God.

Amplified Bible
for you have been born again [that is, reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] not of seed which is perishable but [from that which is] imperishable and immortal, that is, through the living and everlasting word of God.

Christian Standard Bible
because you have been born again —not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
since you have been born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.

American Standard Version
having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
As persons who have been born again, not from fallible seed, but that which is infallible, by the living word of God which stands for eternity.

Contemporary English Version
Do this because God has given you new birth by his message that lives on forever.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever.

Good News Translation
For through the living and eternal word of God you have been born again as the children of a parent who is immortal, not mortal.

International Standard Version
For you have been born again, not by a seed that perishes but by one that cannot perish—by the living and everlasting word of God.

Literal Standard Version
being begotten again, not out of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, through a word of God—living and remaining—throughout the age;

New American Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and abiding word of God,

NET Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.

New Revised Standard Version
You have been born anew, not of perishable but of imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.

New Heart English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God.

Weymouth New Testament
For you have been begotten again by God's ever-living and enduring word from a germ not of perishable, but of imperishable life.

World English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever.

Young's Literal Translation
being begotten again, not out of seed corruptible, but incorruptible, through a word of God -- living and remaining -- to the age;
 

Magenta

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You have hope that you will be born again. That's fine, but you have not been born again, not yet. There is a difference. For certainty there are many that think they have been "saved" or "born again" even among the idol worshippers, but are they? Not at all.

1 John 5:11-13 + John 6:47
One cannot know they have eternal life without also knowing they are saved, which means they are born again. :)
 

Magenta

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Deal with 1 Peter 1:23

New International Version
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Living Translation
For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.


English Standard Version
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;


Berean Study Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


Berean Literal Bible
having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,


King James Bible
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


New King James Version
having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,


New American Standard Bible
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1995
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1977
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and abiding word of God.


Amplified Bible
for you have been born again [that is, reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] not of seed which is perishable but [from that which is] imperishable and immortal, that is, through the living and everlasting word of God.


Christian Standard Bible
because you have been born again —not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
since you have been born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


American Standard Version
having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
As persons who have been born again, not from fallible seed, but that which is infallible, by the living word of God which stands for eternity.


Contemporary English Version
Do this because God has given you new birth by his message that lives on forever.


Douay-Rheims Bible
Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever.


Good News Translation
For through the living and eternal word of God you have been born again as the children of a parent who is immortal, not mortal.


International Standard Version
For you have been born again, not by a seed that perishes but by one that cannot perish—by the living and everlasting word of God.


Literal Standard Version
being begotten again, not out of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, through a word of God—living and remaining—throughout the age;


New American Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and abiding word of God,


NET Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Revised Standard Version
You have been born anew, not of perishable but of imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Heart English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God.


Weymouth New Testament
For you have been begotten again by God's ever-living and enduring word from a germ not of perishable, but of imperishable life.


World English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever.


Young's Literal Translation
being begotten again, not out of seed corruptible, but incorruptible, through a word of God -- living and remaining -- to the age;
 
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Deal with 1 Peter 1:23

New International Version
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Living Translation
For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.


English Standard Version
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;


Berean Study Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


Berean Literal Bible
having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,


King James Bible
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


New King James Version
having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,


New American Standard Bible
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1995
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


NASB 1977
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and abiding word of God.


Amplified Bible
for you have been born again [that is, reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] not of seed which is perishable but [from that which is] imperishable and immortal, that is, through the living and everlasting word of God.


Christian Standard Bible
because you have been born again —not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
since you have been born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.


American Standard Version
having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
As persons who have been born again, not from fallible seed, but that which is infallible, by the living word of God which stands for eternity.


Contemporary English Version
Do this because God has given you new birth by his message that lives on forever.


Douay-Rheims Bible
Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever.


Good News Translation
For through the living and eternal word of God you have been born again as the children of a parent who is immortal, not mortal.


International Standard Version
For you have been born again, not by a seed that perishes but by one that cannot perish—by the living and everlasting word of God.


Literal Standard Version
being begotten again, not out of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, through a word of God—living and remaining—throughout the age;


New American Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and abiding word of God,


NET Bible
You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Revised Standard Version
You have been born anew, not of perishable but of imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.


New Heart English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God.


Weymouth New Testament
For you have been begotten again by God's ever-living and enduring word from a germ not of perishable, but of imperishable life.


World English Bible
having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever.


Young's Literal Translation
being begotten again, not out of seed corruptible, but incorruptible, through a word of God -- living and remaining -- to the age;
I already did, I showed you the whole chapter and how Peter is talking about faith.
 

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(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
(the essence of being born again)
 

Dino246

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I already did, I showed you the whole chapter and how Peter is talking about faith.
It appears that you are conflating "faith" and "hope" with completed action.

We hope for what we do not have. We have faith for what we do not yet see. However, Peter states clearly that we have been born again... PAST PERFECT TENSE. It's done.

We continue to hope for the resurrection, but we are already born again to that hope (v. 3).
 
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It appears that you are conflating "faith" and "hope" with completed action.

We hope for what we do not have. We have faith for what we do not yet see. However, Peter states clearly that we have been born again... PAST PERFECT TENSE. It's done.

We continue to hope for the resurrection, but we are already born again to that hope (v. 3).
Then you have hope that you will be born again just as Peter is saying. Indeed when you are actually born again or saved is at the resurrection. If there is no resurrection then everything the Bible says is a lie and everything is vain. If Jesus was not born, crucified, and resurrected, then all our faith is nothing but vanity. Faith is good, don't get me twisted, but indeed faith is in things not seen, things that have not happened yet. A good parallel is about Abraham how he had faith that he would be granted the promised land and children that number the sands of the sea, but in Abraham's life these things he did not see. That's why he had so much faith because he believed the promise though it did not happen in his lifetime.
 

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Then you have hope that you will be born again just as Peter is saying. Indeed when you are actually born again or saved is at the resurrection. If there is no resurrection then everything the Bible says is a lie and everything is vain. If Jesus was not born, crucified, and resurrected, then all our faith is nothing but vanity. Faith is good, don't get me twisted, but indeed faith is in things not seen, things that have not happened yet. A good parallel is about Abraham how he had faith that he would be granted the promised land and children that number the sands of the sea, but in Abraham's life these things he did not see. That's why he had so much faith because he believed the promise though it did not happen in his lifetime.
Exactly... so why can't you understand that we are already born again? Read 1 Peter 1:3 and 23 until you get it.
 
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Exactly... so why can't you understand that we are already born again? Read 1 Peter 1:3 and 23 until you get it.
Because the resurrection has not happened yet. The racers still have to run the race.

Hebews 11:13

Philippians 2:12
 
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Exactly... so why can't you understand that we are already born again? Read 1 Peter 1:3 and 23 until you get it.
To be honest, only can you know that you're truly born again if you are 100% confident that you're ready to leave all the cares of the world behind and meet God face to face at his throne. Most dispensationalists call that "rapture ready", but think about the parable of the rich fool, it's more like death ready.
 

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Because the resurrection has not happened yet. The racers still have to run the race.

Hebews 11:13

Philippians 2:12
Hebrews 11:13 refers to the Old Testament saints, who were not yet born again. We Christians are.

Philippians 2:12 doesn't negate 1 Peter 1:3 or 23 in any way.