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There is so much truth here in Skinski's post. To put it another way...
"I love my heavenly Father *so much* that I have a compulsion to obey him; to *do* "good" (as *He* has defined what "good" *does*, and not as I or others have redefined it)...out of the sheer power of my love for him, breaking the power this corrupt flesh has over me to compel me to continue to sin as I indeed have sinned. That immense love I have for my heavenly Father comes from one source: Christ's spirit in me.
Then IFF I stumble I can come boldly to the throne of the Father's grace, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND REPENT (i.e. TURN FROM AND STOP PERFORMING THAT SIN) and He is faithful and just for forgive me and clean me (that is...if I actually ask for forgiveness and not assume my sins were already forgiven before I ever committed them). We must first ask for forgiveness (i.e. properly use Grace through Christ; 1 John 1:9) in order to be forgiven...but before that we must first know what a sin is so we know what to ask forgiveness for and to repent from (i.e. understand the Commandments...tutoring time through Moses)."
Notice. What is defined as "good" (i.e. the law) our Father has never changed and will never change.
But if we as Christians are not compelled; moved to do good (as our Father has defined it)...but are still *moved* to sin (i.e. break those rules), we have to question whether the spirit in us is genuinely Christ's indomitable Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit) or a counterfeit spirit.
Let me be clear. We will always be *tempted* to sin (i.e. break the rules) so long as we maintain this flesh, but with the Holy Spirit we don't have to be *moved* to do it, dying to self daily but living to God & Christ. We finally have the power of Christ's love to resist that temptation and be moved to eventually "do the right thing".
We must prove we can do the right thing first with these sin-tempting bodies *before* we can receive our perfect bodies, just like Christ did. He provided our example to follow: Love for our Father, obedience to his will in this corrupt flesh, and THEN new resurrected body.
"I love my heavenly Father *so much* that I have a compulsion to obey him; to *do* "good" (as *He* has defined what "good" *does*, and not as I or others have redefined it)...out of the sheer power of my love for him, breaking the power this corrupt flesh has over me to compel me to continue to sin as I indeed have sinned. That immense love I have for my heavenly Father comes from one source: Christ's spirit in me.
Then IFF I stumble I can come boldly to the throne of the Father's grace, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND REPENT (i.e. TURN FROM AND STOP PERFORMING THAT SIN) and He is faithful and just for forgive me and clean me (that is...if I actually ask for forgiveness and not assume my sins were already forgiven before I ever committed them). We must first ask for forgiveness (i.e. properly use Grace through Christ; 1 John 1:9) in order to be forgiven...but before that we must first know what a sin is so we know what to ask forgiveness for and to repent from (i.e. understand the Commandments...tutoring time through Moses)."
Notice. What is defined as "good" (i.e. the law) our Father has never changed and will never change.
But if we as Christians are not compelled; moved to do good (as our Father has defined it)...but are still *moved* to sin (i.e. break those rules), we have to question whether the spirit in us is genuinely Christ's indomitable Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit) or a counterfeit spirit.
Let me be clear. We will always be *tempted* to sin (i.e. break the rules) so long as we maintain this flesh, but with the Holy Spirit we don't have to be *moved* to do it, dying to self daily but living to God & Christ. We finally have the power of Christ's love to resist that temptation and be moved to eventually "do the right thing".
We must prove we can do the right thing first with these sin-tempting bodies *before* we can receive our perfect bodies, just like Christ did. He provided our example to follow: Love for our Father, obedience to his will in this corrupt flesh, and THEN new resurrected body.
AMEN brother! These things that you describe in such a comforting way is truly the Gospel of Christ! Salvation is a process, or if you will, walking in truth, constantly being renewed, and cleansed, for every day is the day of salvation. Christ Jesus' purpose is to change us from corruption to incorruption. Jesus didn't come to change or do away with anything His Father gave first except one thing. That one thing is a change of the Priesthood, but not the words of God. It take the Holy Spirit in our hearts to comprehend this truth. May God bless you and Skinski with His wisdom and knowledge. If either of you are lead to contribute more to this thread, please, by all means do so. We are here to edify one another in truth, and in Spirit. Not to minister that Jesus has changed or negated His Father's instructions in righteousness.
no, maybe, no, no.
yahshua hamashiach told the disciples to go away to a quiet place often, frequent time with their father in heaven, and that GRADUALLY, their FOCUS would change from themselves to the FATHER.....
elsewhere also> look to father in heaven. what you see him do, do. what he speaks, speak. simple.
focus on yahweh in yahshua. constantly, continually, praying always day and night. seeking him in all things (nothing being a friend of the world nor the things of the world; everyone misses this , almost).
yahshua hamashiach told the disciples to go away to a quiet place often, frequent time with their father in heaven, and that GRADUALLY, their FOCUS would change from themselves to the FATHER.....
elsewhere also> look to father in heaven. what you see him do, do. what he speaks, speak. simple.
focus on yahweh in yahshua. constantly, continually, praying always day and night. seeking him in all things (nothing being a friend of the world nor the things of the world; everyone misses this , almost).
There are many in CC that are teaching that Jesus changed and made certain things His own Father spoke to ancient Israel void. I believe it is the grace of God that made those things, that are supposedly abolished, accessible to Gentiles, such as us, for our learning.
This is the most contentious subject in the church of today. I have seen this controversy for over 30 years, within several protestant denominations. On one side (which I believe as false) the church teaches that Jesus came to free us from the law that God delivered to Israel via Moses, preaching that Jesus came to either crucify the law of His own Father, or it has just been made void, and is abolished in order to make us free in Christ while separating us from the Father. This separation also includes a doctrinal separation from Jews, for if we affiliate ourselves with these things, we will again be in bondage to God's Old Covenant instructions.
I question why the church would teach this change of direction that causes us to take our spiritual eyes off what Jesus really came to do, and that is to abolish and void out our sinful carnal nature.
The final end is that God's word stays and our old nature goes so we are free through Christ Jesus.
It is not that God's words vanish to make us free from the law of God. The law of sin and death is carnality, being totally opposite from God's law, so the teaching that I believe to be false says that God's law is actually the law of sin and death making God's word more carnal than His own creation.
I have even heard it taught that Paul received the mystery of the Gospel first before the disciples of Jesus did.
This falsehood is using Jesus as an excuse to debunk His own Father's instructions to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile. Yes, there was a change in the priesthood, but that doesn't prove that the priesthood changed or made void God's instructions to the Jews/Judah, or ancient Israel.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." Romans 1:16
Romans 2:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
My hope for starting this thread is for all of us to focus on how Christ (through the Holy Spirit) conforms true believers into His image rather than conforming God's word into our carnal image causing spiritual blindness to the truth.
"Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?" Isaiah 29:16
This is the most contentious subject in the church of today. I have seen this controversy for over 30 years, within several protestant denominations. On one side (which I believe as false) the church teaches that Jesus came to free us from the law that God delivered to Israel via Moses, preaching that Jesus came to either crucify the law of His own Father, or it has just been made void, and is abolished in order to make us free in Christ while separating us from the Father. This separation also includes a doctrinal separation from Jews, for if we affiliate ourselves with these things, we will again be in bondage to God's Old Covenant instructions.
I question why the church would teach this change of direction that causes us to take our spiritual eyes off what Jesus really came to do, and that is to abolish and void out our sinful carnal nature.
The final end is that God's word stays and our old nature goes so we are free through Christ Jesus.
It is not that God's words vanish to make us free from the law of God. The law of sin and death is carnality, being totally opposite from God's law, so the teaching that I believe to be false says that God's law is actually the law of sin and death making God's word more carnal than His own creation.
I have even heard it taught that Paul received the mystery of the Gospel first before the disciples of Jesus did.
This falsehood is using Jesus as an excuse to debunk His own Father's instructions to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile. Yes, there was a change in the priesthood, but that doesn't prove that the priesthood changed or made void God's instructions to the Jews/Judah, or ancient Israel.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." Romans 1:16
Romans 2:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
My hope for starting this thread is for all of us to focus on how Christ (through the Holy Spirit) conforms true believers into His image rather than conforming God's word into our carnal image causing spiritual blindness to the truth.
"Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?" Isaiah 29:16
The distinction make between the Law of God (Torah) and the Law of sin and death is a crucial one to make when understanding this whole law vs. grace thing.
Making the distinction between the 2 helps make sense of many of Paul's words; Romans 7 in particular. It appears that Paul is speaking out of both sides of his mouth when discussing "the Law". In reality, he's referring to 2 different laws: Torah, and the Law of Sin and Death. That's why he can promote one, yet speak against the other.
Jesus' sacrifice means we are free from the Law of Sin and Death. It means we are no longer under the standard that says that if you sin, you are deserving of death. That is what Jesus' sacrifice did. His sacrifice did not annul the standard of what sin is, however. The standard of living is still upheld, but the penalty is not.
A point of clarification....
This is not entirely true. Many people think of the Law as a set of physical rules, but in reality the Law was meant to change the heart AND the heart.
Deuteronomy 6:5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."
It had nothing to do with "rote obedience to external instructions". If people took the time to read through the whole Law (which many Christians do not), and attempt to study through the lens of the Holy Spirit, it is full of God's Spirit drawing man's heart unto Him.
This is not entirely true. Many people think of the Law as a set of physical rules, but in reality the Law was meant to change the heart AND the heart.
Deuteronomy 6:5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."
It had nothing to do with "rote obedience to external instructions". If people took the time to read through the whole Law (which many Christians do not), and attempt to study through the lens of the Holy Spirit, it is full of God's Spirit drawing man's heart unto Him.
I think you might have answered your own question without realizing it!
What God voided was the death penalty. But just because forgave and annuled the death penalty doesn't mean He annuled the standard that said a death penalty was needed.
Look at the parable of the Indebted Servants in Matthew 18. The King forgave the servant who was greatly in debt. But then the King came against that same servant for not upholding the same standard of debt. Under the thought process many use to say that Jesus' sacrifice and God's forgiveness means the standard of living is voided, The King shouldn't have cared whether the 1st servant upheld the standard of debt. The King forgave, but still expected the standard to apply.
What God voided was the death penalty. But just because forgave and annuled the death penalty doesn't mean He annuled the standard that said a death penalty was needed.
Look at the parable of the Indebted Servants in Matthew 18. The King forgave the servant who was greatly in debt. But then the King came against that same servant for not upholding the same standard of debt. Under the thought process many use to say that Jesus' sacrifice and God's forgiveness means the standard of living is voided, The King shouldn't have cared whether the 1st servant upheld the standard of debt. The King forgave, but still expected the standard to apply.
Salvation is a process . . . What is that process? Romans 10:9,10 - you shall be saved. Spirit has given "birth" to spirit within you - within you are a new creation. OUR WALK would be THE process - bringing into manifestation that which was given "birth" on the inside of a believer. That is our growth . . . that is our walk.
That new creation born within each of us is already "incorruptible" but our flesh remains corruptible. Christ purpose is to change us from corruption to incorruption? And when will that happen? We will be sown in corruption and raised in incorruption.
Jesus Christ came to FULFILL all that His Father gave him to do . . . . Did that in any way "change" or "negate" the "words" of the prophecies concerning his first coming? Why NO . . . It brought the prophecies concerning his first coming to "light".
Let me ask something concerning this statement - It take the Holy Spirit in our hearts to comprehend this truth. May God bless you and Skinski with His wisdom and knowledge. - Does this mean that those who think differently than YOU, do not have the Holy Spirit in their hearts and therefore do not comprehend "truth"? Just asking for clarification.
That new creation born within each of us is already "incorruptible" but our flesh remains corruptible. Christ purpose is to change us from corruption to incorruption? And when will that happen? We will be sown in corruption and raised in incorruption.
Jesus Christ came to FULFILL all that His Father gave him to do . . . . Did that in any way "change" or "negate" the "words" of the prophecies concerning his first coming? Why NO . . . It brought the prophecies concerning his first coming to "light".
Let me ask something concerning this statement - It take the Holy Spirit in our hearts to comprehend this truth. May God bless you and Skinski with His wisdom and knowledge. - Does this mean that those who think differently than YOU, do not have the Holy Spirit in their hearts and therefore do not comprehend "truth"? Just asking for clarification.
The issue is not "sinless perfection." The issue is PURITY OF HEART. Sinless perfection denotes perfect knowledge and understanding whereby one would never err due to ignorance.
The Bible does not teach anywhere that "Christ's Righteousness" is imputed to anyone. That teaching is only found in the theology of men. Paul specifically states that FAITH itself is reckoned AS righteousness by God.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
It was Abraham's FAITH that was counted for righteousness by God. There is no moral transfer from Jesus to the believers account, such an idea is not only foreign to the Bible but it is also nonsensical.
Vice and virtue are not transferable properties. The vice of one person cannot be transferred and become the vice of another, likewise with virtue. Vice and virtue are nouns denoting BEHAVIOUR. The virtue or righteousness of Christ belongs to Christ alone because it denotes the character of Jesus Christ.
Paul wrote these words...
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Righteousness is via FAITH because FAITH WORKS BY LOVE.
We are not justified by the law because the law is statute driven not love driven. Anyone can obey "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not steal" but simply obeying that is not equivalent to righteousness because it does not address the motive.
Faith addresses the motive. If we operate via a faith that works by love then we don't kill or steal because to do so would be unloving. Thus if we love we don't need the law to tell us what to do, we simply uphold the righteousness of the law naturally.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Does faith void the law? NO. Faith establishes the law through love.
Look at what Paul writes in Romans chapter 4...
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Faith is associated with STEPS or a WALK. If we love then that love will be manifested in our deeds. That is why faith without works is dead. Saving faith denotes a pure heart condition. God looks at the heart.
Look at what Jesus said to the Pharisees...
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
The issue with the Pharisees wasn't that they didn't have some "moral transfer" applied positionally to their account. The issue with the Pharisees was that they were EXTERNALLY upholding religious practices whilst INTERNALLY they were wicked in heart. Thus their external "form of godliness " or "form of righteousness" was as filthy rags before God.
Jesus taught the same in the Sermon on the Mount...
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Our righteousness has to exceed that of the "form of godliness" of the Pharisees. The Pharisees would teach "thou shalt not kill" yet were ignorant to "murder in the heart." The Pharisees were focused on the external only, they completely neglected the internal.
It is the PURE IN HEART who will see God.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
It is the righteousness of the law that is fulfilled IN us when we WALK after the Spirit. That is the standard, not some stupid moral transfer teaching. Salvation is ACTUAL not positional.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
By upholding the notion that we are incapable of fulfilling the law you are denying the Bible. Paul wrote this...
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The Bible nowhere teaches we cannot do that.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Paul wrote the above passage. One cannot be engaged in adultery, murder, theft, lying, covetousness etc. and at the same time be loving their neighbour. Jesus said...
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
This is garbage. The Bible does not teach that anywhere. That stuff only exists in your imagination as well as in the penned nonsense of false religious teachings.
Paul wrote...
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Paul is not speaking about some legalistic "virtue/sin" exchange. Paul is speaking of the reason why Jesus offered Himself up on our behalf. Jesus did so that we might be made the righteousness of God IN Him. Compare to these words of Paul...
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
We are made the righteousness of God IN Him via the Spirit of His life. Thus if we WALK by the Spirit then the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us. Straight from the Bible.
Our imperfection is punished by the death of Jesus? That is a stupid statement. How can one individuals wickedness be punished by the death of another? One has to throw their brain right out the window to proclaim such a thing.
God FORGIVES sin, He doesn't punish someone else as a substitute. If I punished Tom for the crime of Harry that would not be justice, that would be injustice. Jesus was not punished as the sinners substitute. Jesus died to establish the New Covenant...
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
The Bible tells us EXACTLY why Jesus had to die and it had NOTHING to do with being a punishment substitute.
Penal Substitution is a doctrine from the pit and it was only invented 400 years ago. Look it up.
The only reason that people believe it is because they have been brainwashed by it and it serves to tickles their ears. Penal Substitution serves to delude people into thinking that the blood of Jesus serves to cloak wickedness through some vice/virtue legal transaction. It is satanic to the core.
You might as well be a full blown Gnostic. You think you are saved because you believe in some "knowledge" of this "legal transfer" that you believe in and thus "trust in it."
It is all just a rehash of the ancient Mystery Religion and its latter development of Gnosticism dressed up with vague allusions to Bible terminology.
Are you really that easy to fool? Are you really willing to uphold such in the face of all the evidence to the contrary?
Woe to be you if you are.
Now I agree with that. What I was pointing to was when it comes to the new in place of the old, should we not look at how Jesus came to change us rather than look to a supposed change or negation in God's old along with the new instructions given by Him? That's my belief concerning the old and new, because I cannot accept that God has made void anything He ever said in the old because of the new. It cannot be that God's new way through Christ Jesus did away with God's words before Christ came into this world as flesh.
Now to complement what you have presented. It is of the utmost importance to focus on God's righteousness and have the desire to be changed according to His desire through Christ. So I agree with what you're saying. Without a standard to go by, we would have nothing that would be a goal, i.e hope.
"For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" Romans 8:24
Now to complement what you have presented. It is of the utmost importance to focus on God's righteousness and have the desire to be changed according to His desire through Christ. So I agree with what you're saying. Without a standard to go by, we would have nothing that would be a goal, i.e hope.
"For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" Romans 8:24
first, in order not to forget it, it's not God's righteousness we look at or study or focus on, but God Himself - even God's face; our Father in heaven, we always seek His presence, His delight the way a little 3 year old son looks up with wide open eyes right into his father's eyes ... ... more later, yahweh willing...
second, as to the standard >> more and more and more every day i realize that the standard of God's WORD (Ephesians, Colossians, Deuteronomy, Genesis, Isaiah, Psalms, Joshua, Judges, Revelation, Timothy, 1,2,3 John 1,2 Peter, et al in toto)
is the only standard we can , by God's Grace, know and read and study and reflect on and meditate on and show others ,
the only standard that does not change with time, age, society, customs, or anything temporary...
if the others who mock God's WORD would just look for God's WORD and His Standard that HE gives in HIS WORD,
like the 3 year old longing to see his father's eyes fully straight on with complete and utter abandonment carefree delight and joy,
if yahweh will permit them to,
they could stop arguing and instead allow GOD'S WORD to abide in them and GOD to do HIS WORK in them....
HIS WORD >> the standard.
second, as to the standard >> more and more and more every day i realize that the standard of God's WORD (Ephesians, Colossians, Deuteronomy, Genesis, Isaiah, Psalms, Joshua, Judges, Revelation, Timothy, 1,2,3 John 1,2 Peter, et al in toto)
is the only standard we can , by God's Grace, know and read and study and reflect on and meditate on and show others ,
the only standard that does not change with time, age, society, customs, or anything temporary...
if the others who mock God's WORD would just look for God's WORD and His Standard that HE gives in HIS WORD,
like the 3 year old longing to see his father's eyes fully straight on with complete and utter abandonment carefree delight and joy,
if yahweh will permit them to,
they could stop arguing and instead allow GOD'S WORD to abide in them and GOD to do HIS WORK in them....
HIS WORD >> the standard.
No better example exists at present of your double-speak and fallacious hermeneutic by which you wrestle to your own destruction (2Pe 3:16) the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
And NT believers question why you do not believe the words spoken by the Son in these last days
(Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
We can start with Heb 8:13, which you say is "the old man" instead of "the old covenant,"
when it is within the context of vv. 7-8, which is "the new covenant."
And you thereby seek to establish that the old covenant has not been made obsolete as Heb 8:13 states,
but that "the old man" has been made obsolete.
And it's downhill from there. . .
It ain't the gospel of Christ you present. . .not by long shot.
It's the gospel of
"the words spoken by the prophets of old take precedence over
the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers;"
i.e., the Son whose revelation is superior to the angels at Sinai, to the prophets of old,
and to Moses, the law giver.
It's the gospel of Jewish precedence, contrary to Gal 3:28.
Paul was plagued with this false gospel during his whole ministry,
and the proponents of it today still do not believe all of Paul's writings.
Who woulda' tho't it 2000+ years later. . .
Welcome to the revision of the gospel by modern-day Judaizers.
And NT believers question why you do not believe the words spoken by the Son in these last days
(Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
We can start with Heb 8:13, which you say is "the old man" instead of "the old covenant,"
when it is within the context of vv. 7-8, which is "the new covenant."
And you thereby seek to establish that the old covenant has not been made obsolete as Heb 8:13 states,
but that "the old man" has been made obsolete.
And it's downhill from there. . .
It ain't the gospel of Christ you present. . .not by long shot.
It's the gospel of
"the words spoken by the prophets of old take precedence over
the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers;"
i.e., the Son whose revelation is superior to the angels at Sinai, to the prophets of old,
and to Moses, the law giver.
It's the gospel of Jewish precedence, contrary to Gal 3:28.
Paul was plagued with this false gospel during his whole ministry,
and the proponents of it today still do not believe all of Paul's writings.
Who woulda' tho't it 2000+ years later. . .
Welcome to the revision of the gospel by modern-day Judaizers.
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Transforming is a process. It takes time because to win a battle is also a matter of time and we are more than conquerers through Christ. If it was all done and there ways nothing more to conform to, then our lives would be perfect. Paul ran a race, and pressed toward the mark of this high calling. He ran the race to win, but the race wasn't done until his physical death.
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2
"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Philippians 3:14
"Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain."
1 Corinthians 9:24
Just before Paul's death he wrote Timothy and said of himself;
"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:" 2 Timothy 4:7
If we are to follow Christ, we must die every day to the flesh and carry our cross every day.
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:23
"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." 1 Corinthians 15:31
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2
"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Philippians 3:14
"Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain."
1 Corinthians 9:24
Just before Paul's death he wrote Timothy and said of himself;
"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:" 2 Timothy 4:7
If we are to follow Christ, we must die every day to the flesh and carry our cross every day.
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:23
"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." 1 Corinthians 15:31
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let the wicked be more wicked.... they hate the light. even though the light is meant for good to everyone, those who love darkness .... don't understand.
the gospel is an aroma of life to those who are saved, and the same gospel is the aroma of death to those who "will not" .... ...
in jesus' WORD>
[h=3]Luke 13:34 (KJ21) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
[h=3]Luke 13:34 (ASV) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her own brood under her wings, and ye would not!
[h=3]Luke 13:34 (AMP) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who continue to kill the prophets and to stone those who are sent to you! How often I have desired and yearned to gather your children together [around Me], as a hen [gathers] her young under her wings, but you would not!
the gospel is an aroma of life to those who are saved, and the same gospel is the aroma of death to those who "will not" .... ...
in jesus' WORD>
[h=3]Luke 13:34 (KJ21) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
[h=3]Luke 13:34 (ASV) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her own brood under her wings, and ye would not!
[h=3]Luke 13:34 (AMP) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who continue to kill the prophets and to stone those who are sent to you! How often I have desired and yearned to gather your children together [around Me], as a hen [gathers] her young under her wings, but you would not!
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Jesus came to kill the sin that was revealed by the law. Jesus came to save us from our sin. He didn't come to save us from His own Fathers words. If the law has been made void, there is nothing left to convince the sinner that they need salvation, for it is the schoolmaster that leads them to Christ. After all, if there is no law for the lawless then lawlessness will flourish. James said that the law is good if it's used lawfully, so even in the writings of the new testament the law obviously was still in tact minus the physical priesthood of Aaron.
Daily submission, and conviction will focus our attention on the salvation of Christ. It's a daily dying to the flesh, and a daily living with Christ.
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
It's the yoke that's easy and light because we are no longer under the law, even though the law is still in effect concerning our obligation of love toward God by our reciprocation to His love for us. That's what the law of love is. We daily give of ourselves to Christ for a daily cleansing from our carnal nature as long as we are in this fleshly body.
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:23
The cross is death to the flesh. The resurrection is life in the Spirit. Some day Jesus will come back and take us to Himself, and then we will be with Him forever. Until then, we are required, by faith, to die to the flesh daily as Paul. The law is the elimination of our sin that we die to on a daily bases.
"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." 1 Corinthians 15:31
Daily submission, and conviction will focus our attention on the salvation of Christ. It's a daily dying to the flesh, and a daily living with Christ.
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
It's the yoke that's easy and light because we are no longer under the law, even though the law is still in effect concerning our obligation of love toward God by our reciprocation to His love for us. That's what the law of love is. We daily give of ourselves to Christ for a daily cleansing from our carnal nature as long as we are in this fleshly body.
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:23
The cross is death to the flesh. The resurrection is life in the Spirit. Some day Jesus will come back and take us to Himself, and then we will be with Him forever. Until then, we are required, by faith, to die to the flesh daily as Paul. The law is the elimination of our sin that we die to on a daily bases.
"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." 1 Corinthians 15:31
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