The purpose of Christ

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KohenMatt said:
Do I believe that walking in obedience to what God says to do changes my heart and mind? Absolutely. Obedience to anything in the Word does, Old Testament or New.

But there is a BIG difference between saying the Law can change the mind and heart, and saying that the Law saves.

And you can pretend whatever you want, but the fact remains that I never said the Law perfects or saves.

Prove it.
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So the law changes your heart and mind but is not perfecting you? What's the point then? Should you try something else that does perfect you?

NO. Theres not much difference between saying that the law changes your mind and heart and saying the law saves. Not much difference at all.

And if there is some difference maybe you could explain it and we wouldn't keep going through this.
 
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it is written in God's WORD that i should let you know that i have your best interest and welfare at heart.
and this is true.
but some time ago, (along with dark comrades) , you started attacking those of us who post what GOD'S WORD says,
even though you don't understand God or HIS WORD or us.

others watching have noted this also, without taking sides. (and in different words, more like you and your group use much worse language and attack others who expose your errors instead of learning from them)

you aren't happy with things as they are, and you're not at peace nor full of joy in christ jesus,
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some or a lot here think that that condition is normal and accepted in the body of CHRIST, but it is not.

it is not normal nor accepted in the body of christ to not be at peace, to not have joy in all circumstances,

or to continue living in unrighteousness as if at home with sin and allowing it to snuggle up.

to wit: do you think sin should be forsaken? do you think you should seek God and Jesus and do what Jesus says ? (learn from Jesus).
if not, we're not even supposed to talk to you, greet you, nor have a meal with you (if you call yourself a christian)
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and.......he's back.
 
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The Pharisees consistently approached Jesus predetermined to trap Him in arguments they started. It's a tactic. Usually I tend to not take people very seriously who do the same thing. See my signature. When arguments begin, it is wise to know how it happens, and who is behind it. Seems that this thread has been derailed by this tactic. After months of seeing this, I'm under the impression that it's on purpose.
 
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Jesus Christ changed everything, only the blind would say otherwise.
 
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Sirk said:
It's an inability to be self aware...
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oh, i saw that it means szshixophrenia(sic for legal reasons) - like split personalities or multiple ones.

and other things,

so if what you meant was - not being self aware ('self-conscious') - ,

that's a compliment and description of any believer who understands they are crucified with christ and live by faith in him. THANK YOU! (even if it wasn't meant for good; you might have meant evil like joseph's brothers, but yahweh makes it all good for those who love him and are called according to his purpose )....

you'll have to search and research Hebrew Scripture meanings and ask yahweh for his WORD to understand this.... only those in Christ Jesus are not self-conscious (after whatever time it takes in HIM for the Father to accomplish this desired goal as written all through TORAH, SCRIPTURE , HIS WORD) ....
 
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Sirk said:
and.......he's back.
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There are a lot of people here that only know how to accuse. That's because they are stuck on law and that's what law does.

Don't listen to them.

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Remember that.
 
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To bring to pass the Understanding of eternal life and immortality to All Mankind
 
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Jeff_56 said:
oh, i saw that it means szshixophrenia(sic for legal reasons) - like split personalities or multiple ones.

and other things,

so if what you meant was - not being self aware ('self-conscious') - ,

that's a compliment and description of any believer who understands they are crucified with christ and live by faith in him. THANK YOU! (even if it wasn't meant for good; you might have meant evil like joseph's brothers, but yahweh makes it all good for those who love him and are called according to his purpose )....

you'll have to search and research Hebrew Scripture meanings and ask yahweh for his WORD to understand this.... only those in Christ Jesus are not self-conscious (after whatever time it takes in HIM for the Father to accomplish this desired goal as written all through TORAH, SCRIPTURE , HIS WORD) ....
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Twist twist wriggle wriggle.
 
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AMEN brother! These things that you describe in such a comforting way is truly the Gospel of Christ! Salvation is a process, or if you will, walking in truth, constantly being renewed, and cleansed, for every day is the day of salvation. Christ Jesus' purpose is to change us from corruption to incorruption.
Jesus didn't come to change or do away with anything His Father gave first except one thing. That one thing is a change of the Priesthood, but not the words of God.
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Oops! . .there's that truncated gospel again.

You forgot that the old covenant was made obsolete--old and waxing away (Heb 8:13),
and the people of God are now under the promised (J34 31:31-34) new covenant (Lk 22:20)
where justification/righteousness is only by grace through faith, and not by law keeping.
 
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even the blind might say Jesus Christ changed everything, but mean something entirely different.
for instance, if the rcc heresy says it,
they are lying and will twist everything to make it soul destroying as that is the nature of the rcc.




Vernon said:
Jesus Christ changed everything, only the blind would say otherwise.
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just-me said:
The Pharisees consistently approached Jesus predetermined to trap Him in arguments they started. It's a tactic. Usually I tend to not take people very seriously who do the same thing. See my signature. When arguments begin, it is wise to know how it happens, and who is behind it. Seems that this thread has been derailed by this tactic. After months of seeing this, I'm under the impression that it's on purpose.
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Good reminder. I'll hop back on track for ya, and leave the de-railement behind.

And the following verse both addresses your point about the cause of the derailment, as well as bring the discussion back to the OP:

John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly."
 
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even the blind might say Jesus Christ changed everything, but mean something entirely different.
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they are lying and will twist everything to make it soul destroying as that is the nature of .....



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Twist twist wriggle wriggle.
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just-me said:
Does Jesus abolish the sin in those who believe in Him, or is it the Gospel to focus on something else that is more important?
Should we not be focusing first on the human concerning the old and new, rather than the covenants old and new?
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Nice try at neutralizing the obsolescence of the old covenant (Heb 8:13) with a pious diversion to rebirth.

Those who know the gospel see the subterfuge.
 
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this epitomizes the trouble with your posts: they don't mean anything to saved or unsaved people.

whether it's a translation engine or something else, your posts just don't convey truth to the readers,

nor comfort or peace or joy or nurturing in christ jesus, nor discipline or , well, anything in christ.

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Nice try at neutralizing the obsolescence of the old covenant (Heb 8:13) with a pious diversion to rebirth....
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Jeff_56 said:
even the blind might say Jesus Christ changed everything, but mean something entirely different.
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they are lying and will twist everything to make it soul destroying as that is the nature of .....
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Sort of like the seeds of doubt that you attempt to sow regarding the power of only Jesus to save.
 
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Now I agree with that. What I was pointing to was when it comes to the new in place of the old, should we not look at how Jesus came to change us rather than look to a supposed change or negation in God's old along with the new instructions given by Him? That's my belief concerning the old and new, because
I cannot accept that God has made void anything He ever said in the old because of the new. It cannot be that God's new way through Christ Jesus did away with God's words before Christ came into this world as flesh.
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Yeah, we know. . .you do not believe the NT word of God in Heb 8:13 that the old covenant is now obsolete--old and waxing away.

The NT word of God calls that unbelief.
 
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KohenMatt said:
For the record: Only one thing saves and perfects. Jesus' sacrifice.

So, what do we do next? How do you live your life now that you've been saved and perfected?
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Abide in Christ. Continue to grow in Him. Continue to learn of the Lord and gain wisdom. Ask for this, constantly.

Liberty, Freedom. Its hard for slaves to have this at first. They just want to go back to what is comfortable.

I don't think we should go back to the law. Paul warns us against it. Paul would know better than any of us.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Try to think about the fruit of the Spirit that are grown when we abide in Christ. What laws arent fulfilled by them alone?

The Holy Spirit and abiding in Christ is my answer for pretty much everything. Simplicity in Christ.
 
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KohenMatt said:
Good reminder. I'll hop back on track for ya, and leave the de-railement behind.

And the following verse both addresses your point about the cause of the derailment, as well as bring the discussion back to the OP:

John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly."
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Cool! It goes to show when we start conversing about what Jesus' power can do by destroying our old nature, how the adversary doesn't want us to edify each other accordingly. Blessing on you from Messiah brother.

It' amazing to me how the same argument comes up time after time. If there is a threat to the agenda, there it is in full force.
 
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Jeff_56 said:
the gospel is an aroma of life to those who are saved, and the same gospel is the aroma of death to those who "will not"
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I'm not smellin' the sweet aroma of the gospel here, I'm smellin' the stench of its corruption.

He who has a nose that can smell, let him do the sniff test.
 
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