The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues
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Acts, can be helpful as all prophecy an aid during that reformation period . The gospel is still working today reforming restoring .
Yes, the reformation had come. The promise of Joel. All nation men and women (mankind) The Holy Spirit was restoring the government of peace to the period of Judges. This was before there were Kings in Israel "the abomination of desolation" .
Wonderment seekers did not know which way to turn . Some cried to the temple bricks that had been made desolate. And continue this day
The Holy Spirit provided a new ceremonial law 1 Corinthians 11 to help the focus on faith, the eternal not seen
Yes, the reformation had come. The promise of Joel. All nation men and women (mankind) The Holy Spirit was restoring the government of peace to the period of Judges. This was before there were Kings in Israel "the abomination of desolation" .
Wonderment seekers did not know which way to turn . Some cried to the temple bricks that had been made desolate. And continue this day
The Holy Spirit provided a new ceremonial law 1 Corinthians 11 to help the focus on faith, the eternal not seen
We must be careful how we hear. Every word has meaning applied to it. the spirit of error waiting to devour or snatch the seed and seek to provide a oral tradition. One word can change the outcome. (Deuteronomy 4:2)
One thing I would offer. Israel the new born again he named Jacob, the deceiver. She represents the bride of Christ in the old testament using outward viewable Jewish flesh to represent all of mankind. God is no respecter of corruption flesh and blood, under the letter of the law.
When the promised demonstration was finished and the vail was rent .The Holy Spirit again changed her name making it appropriate to identify her . . . made up from all the nations of the world.
Called her Christian in the Book of Acts a more befitting name to represent all the nations .
Christian with no other meaning added simple means. "Residents of the heavenly city prepared as the chaste virgin bride, founded by her husband, Christ". The same way all city were named .
Satan fell at that time (Revelation 20) .The father of lies is longer able to deceive all the nations that God is a God of corrupted Jewish flesh or flesh of any nation.
Much of that meaning in the new name Christian would seem to have all but disappeared .The result of men insisting that flesh and blood wrestle against flesh and blood. No faith coming from hearing God. .
Like Jacob who tried to steal birth place of Esau. . with no power working with God to overcome.
Jacob was given a vision as a parable.
Genisis 32 24-28 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
No power of his own to prevail without Emanuel (God with us)
The promise made to Abram (exalted father of one nation ."his family" . His linage was Amorite and Hittite. (Pagan nation) . Making Abraham's new born again name signified as the father of a nation of all nations.
One united nation, Christian.
Genesis 12:1-3 King James Version (KJV) Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
All families as nations or denominations of the earth are blessed. Not just his immediate nation made up of the Amorite and Hittite . .
Seed (One) as in Christ the invisible spiritual .Not seeds as in fleshly corrupted.
One thing I would offer. Israel the new born again he named Jacob, the deceiver. She represents the bride of Christ in the old testament using outward viewable Jewish flesh to represent all of mankind. God is no respecter of corruption flesh and blood, under the letter of the law.
When the promised demonstration was finished and the vail was rent .The Holy Spirit again changed her name making it appropriate to identify her . . . made up from all the nations of the world.
Called her Christian in the Book of Acts a more befitting name to represent all the nations .
Christian with no other meaning added simple means. "Residents of the heavenly city prepared as the chaste virgin bride, founded by her husband, Christ". The same way all city were named .
Satan fell at that time (Revelation 20) .The father of lies is longer able to deceive all the nations that God is a God of corrupted Jewish flesh or flesh of any nation.
Much of that meaning in the new name Christian would seem to have all but disappeared .The result of men insisting that flesh and blood wrestle against flesh and blood. No faith coming from hearing God. .
Like Jacob who tried to steal birth place of Esau. . with no power working with God to overcome.
Jacob was given a vision as a parable.
Genisis 32 24-28 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
No power of his own to prevail without Emanuel (God with us)
The promise made to Abram (exalted father of one nation ."his family" . His linage was Amorite and Hittite. (Pagan nation) . Making Abraham's new born again name signified as the father of a nation of all nations.
One united nation, Christian.
Genesis 12:1-3 King James Version (KJV) Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
All families as nations or denominations of the earth are blessed. Not just his immediate nation made up of the Amorite and Hittite . .
Seed (One) as in Christ the invisible spiritual .Not seeds as in fleshly corrupted.
Basically I was suggesting something along the lines of "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling".
You know there is speaking in tongues or you would not have asked for us that have it, specifically.
If you have read and understand Acts, you can see in 3 out of 4 of the outpourings of the Holy Spirit that speaking in tongues was a component. (Acts 2, 10 &19) And in Acts 8, the only one that doesn't state "speaking in tongues" directly (and also in 19) you can see that there is a distinct difference between when they became BELIEVERS (like yourself) and when they actually received the Holy Ghost.
And those believers, who had also been declared by the bible to have "received the word of God" and had been baptized in Jesus name, we're not immediately declared "saved" but rather were prayed for so they could receive the Holy Ghost (because they hadn't yet received it).
The Holy Ghost came on them (in those two cases) at the laying on of hands...not at belief. If you understand Acts, you should be able to see and acknowledge that fact.
If the Holy Spirit didn't always come at belief during the book of Acts, then you're left with the problem of justifying that fact in terms of your current doctrine.
If the examples in the book of Acts don't fit what your current doctrine suggests should happen (like if you believe the Holy Ghost should come at the moment of belief) you either have to conclude that it is that the book of Acts that has the problem... or it MIGHT be that your current belief system has the problem. (It sounds like Guojing has chosen to declare it to be the book of Acts that has the problem in his Post #478.)
If instead of declaring the word of God to be problematic, you decide it COULD be your belief system that MIGHT have the problem, then that problem might be hard to see and perhaps even harder yet to extract... and you would likely need God's help to fix it, (especially if you've held that doctrine for 60-ish years). Hence the recommendation to prayer.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
You know there is speaking in tongues or you would not have asked for us that have it, specifically.
If you have read and understand Acts, you can see in 3 out of 4 of the outpourings of the Holy Spirit that speaking in tongues was a component. (Acts 2, 10 &19) And in Acts 8, the only one that doesn't state "speaking in tongues" directly (and also in 19) you can see that there is a distinct difference between when they became BELIEVERS (like yourself) and when they actually received the Holy Ghost.
And those believers, who had also been declared by the bible to have "received the word of God" and had been baptized in Jesus name, we're not immediately declared "saved" but rather were prayed for so they could receive the Holy Ghost (because they hadn't yet received it).
The Holy Ghost came on them (in those two cases) at the laying on of hands...not at belief. If you understand Acts, you should be able to see and acknowledge that fact.
If the Holy Spirit didn't always come at belief during the book of Acts, then you're left with the problem of justifying that fact in terms of your current doctrine.
If the examples in the book of Acts don't fit what your current doctrine suggests should happen (like if you believe the Holy Ghost should come at the moment of belief) you either have to conclude that it is that the book of Acts that has the problem... or it MIGHT be that your current belief system has the problem. (It sounds like Guojing has chosen to declare it to be the book of Acts that has the problem in his Post #478.)
If instead of declaring the word of God to be problematic, you decide it COULD be your belief system that MIGHT have the problem, then that problem might be hard to see and perhaps even harder yet to extract... and you would likely need God's help to fix it, (especially if you've held that doctrine for 60-ish years). Hence the recommendation to prayer.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
There was nothing dishonest in either of the replies I posted.
Also, there was no need to make such a statement. If you were truly searching for ability to find something lacking in your preparations, I gave you a place to look and a reliable source to ask for clarifications and assistance.
Plus I also recognized that you were baiting me. And with the information I gave you, you won't be able to stand before God claiming ignorance.
I'm a bit sad about that last part but you can repent if you choose to in time.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Also, there was no need to make such a statement. If you were truly searching for ability to find something lacking in your preparations, I gave you a place to look and a reliable source to ask for clarifications and assistance.
Plus I also recognized that you were baiting me. And with the information I gave you, you won't be able to stand before God claiming ignorance.
I'm a bit sad about that last part but you can repent if you choose to in time.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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There is nothing lacking in my preparations and there is no need for me to repent as far as my salvation .
I know without a doubt that I am saved and that the Holy Spirit as been president with my spirit since the day I believed.
By your own words you have judged my as lost based on your belief that speaking in tongues is proof of salvation and those who do not are not saved.
But you do not have the courage to say it in plain words, you have to beat around the bush with your words.
I know without a doubt that I am saved and that the Holy Spirit as been president with my spirit since the day I believed.
By your own words you have judged my as lost based on your belief that speaking in tongues is proof of salvation and those who do not are not saved.
But you do not have the courage to say it in plain words, you have to beat around the bush with your words.
I'm not addressing a topic of yours in this post, but I did want to add this.
And I guess I will start with a true story because I learn from things that have happened. And yes, I'm sharing a conversation with God and some people claim God doesn't talk anymore...but the bible tells us to talk of his wondrous works, and I find it wondrous that he takes time out of his day to commune with me...so I talk about it.
On another Christian chat site, we were constantly facing arguments from people who described themselves as Atheists. After a while I got annoyed with the situation and asked God "WHY, if these people hate you so much, do they come to a place set up to talk about nothing but you?" He said "They may not want me but they want to talk about something important... and deep down they know I am important."
That same thing happens with yourself and others on threads like this. There's no danger of people 'catching' "speaking in tongues" (as if it were a disease). And if it doesn't exist, there's no way they could receive it. So there's really no danger of saying "Hey, if you ask for this God will give it to you and here's what it does". And people can't very well claim that they are here trying to teach truth to others because if that was their goal, they could start a thread teaching any truth they please without the association with speaking in tongues.
But you know it's important.
I don't know the hearts of individuals on here, but I recognize a few things about people who resist tongues, which you can see also in people who reject worshipping God (religion) in general. And I'm not saying they or you are necessarily going so far as to blaspheme (which is to say it is evil or from the devil). But here's a couple of scenarios of people who have been around tongues:
Group #1) Some people have seen some good/truth, and may want it, but have had a bad experience (and there can be extreme cases of this). Then the person does the guilt-by-association thing and blames anybody who ever had anything to do with whoever did them harm. Basically they are afraid to go near that piece of good/truth for fear of another bad experience (like being shamed, overly pressured, or told they must not be good enough for God... instead of being helped). These will hang around and argue hoping someone can actually convince them that it IS real, it IS for them, and they ARE "good" enough. The other option, if not brought in, is to try to stomp out the doctrine so they won't feel bad for not having it themselves.<-- this is the group I think you are in. (Which is why I still try to be open and honest with you)
Group #2) Other people may have seen some good/truth, but found out that it takes effort, or makes them feel guilty about sins they want to hang on to, or some other thing that they want to get away from. That makes them even more miserable than when they started, and they want to blame someone other than themselves...and most importantly...they are still left with the problem of the good/truth that hangs over their head because they willingly walked away from it or rejected it without even trying. These try even harder to stomp out the doctrine because they don't want it themselves (so there's no hope of relief through alignment) so their only hope is to bash it into non-existence...which won't happen with something real. This is similar to what Judas Iscariot tried. He didn't have to sell out Jesus...he could have just walked away...but Jesus' very existence made him feel condemned, so he tried to destroy Jesus. <---this is not a good group to join.
Obviously this doesn't cover everyone, like people who haven't encountered "speaking in tongues" ... and people can switch their stance as long as they are still alive and haven't actually blasphemed the Holy Ghost. (I kind of pray I never meet someone guilty of that). But that's some real scenarios.
Tongues isn't going away until Jesus returns. So people get to choose how to respond to its existence. (I recommend ask and receive.
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Love in Jesus,
Kelby
And I guess I will start with a true story because I learn from things that have happened. And yes, I'm sharing a conversation with God and some people claim God doesn't talk anymore...but the bible tells us to talk of his wondrous works, and I find it wondrous that he takes time out of his day to commune with me...so I talk about it.
On another Christian chat site, we were constantly facing arguments from people who described themselves as Atheists. After a while I got annoyed with the situation and asked God "WHY, if these people hate you so much, do they come to a place set up to talk about nothing but you?" He said "They may not want me but they want to talk about something important... and deep down they know I am important."
That same thing happens with yourself and others on threads like this. There's no danger of people 'catching' "speaking in tongues" (as if it were a disease). And if it doesn't exist, there's no way they could receive it. So there's really no danger of saying "Hey, if you ask for this God will give it to you and here's what it does". And people can't very well claim that they are here trying to teach truth to others because if that was their goal, they could start a thread teaching any truth they please without the association with speaking in tongues.
But you know it's important.
I don't know the hearts of individuals on here, but I recognize a few things about people who resist tongues, which you can see also in people who reject worshipping God (religion) in general. And I'm not saying they or you are necessarily going so far as to blaspheme (which is to say it is evil or from the devil). But here's a couple of scenarios of people who have been around tongues:
Group #1) Some people have seen some good/truth, and may want it, but have had a bad experience (and there can be extreme cases of this). Then the person does the guilt-by-association thing and blames anybody who ever had anything to do with whoever did them harm. Basically they are afraid to go near that piece of good/truth for fear of another bad experience (like being shamed, overly pressured, or told they must not be good enough for God... instead of being helped). These will hang around and argue hoping someone can actually convince them that it IS real, it IS for them, and they ARE "good" enough. The other option, if not brought in, is to try to stomp out the doctrine so they won't feel bad for not having it themselves.<-- this is the group I think you are in. (Which is why I still try to be open and honest with you)
Group #2) Other people may have seen some good/truth, but found out that it takes effort, or makes them feel guilty about sins they want to hang on to, or some other thing that they want to get away from. That makes them even more miserable than when they started, and they want to blame someone other than themselves...and most importantly...they are still left with the problem of the good/truth that hangs over their head because they willingly walked away from it or rejected it without even trying. These try even harder to stomp out the doctrine because they don't want it themselves (so there's no hope of relief through alignment) so their only hope is to bash it into non-existence...which won't happen with something real. This is similar to what Judas Iscariot tried. He didn't have to sell out Jesus...he could have just walked away...but Jesus' very existence made him feel condemned, so he tried to destroy Jesus. <---this is not a good group to join.
Obviously this doesn't cover everyone, like people who haven't encountered "speaking in tongues" ... and people can switch their stance as long as they are still alive and haven't actually blasphemed the Holy Ghost. (I kind of pray I never meet someone guilty of that). But that's some real scenarios.
Tongues isn't going away until Jesus returns. So people get to choose how to respond to its existence. (I recommend ask and receive.
)Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Dear Kelby, thank you for this explaining from your View and expierience. If you would be right.
What we then do with all the Christians before 1900. F.e. in australia? They all lived their christianity without speaking in tongues.
This are questions which let me doubt, to that what pentecostal/carismatics teaches.
You mentioned in one of your last posts acts, 2, 8, 10 and 19. There is another way to understand these events, as you understand them.
Simply to let the jews know, that out of them (2) the gentiles(10) the samaritians(8) and the disciples of John the Baptist(19) are meant to be saved in the same way and could receive the Holy Spirit in the same way. Nothing more.
According pentecostal/charismatic understanding speaking in tongues is the Sign of be baptised with the Holy Spirit.
In different to this is, according Paul, speaking in tongues one of many gifts and is not given to every believer.
While you suggest that speaking in tongues is avaliable for every believer.
Kelby, I dont speak from some groups. All pentecostal/charismatic groups since 1900 teaching this!
In non of the from you mentioned events in acts 2,8,10 and 19 the believers asked for to speak in tongues.
It came by receiving by the Holy Spirit.
And non of them had the Holy Spirit before.
Pentecostal/charismatic teaching since 1900is that believers which have already the Holy Spirit, got this baptism with the Holy Spirit combined with the gift of speaking in tongues in an timely different event then their salvation.
That there are today multiply variations in pentecostal/charismatic teachings exist, changes nothing to the fact, that topeka and azusa was the beginning of this teaching. ( even if the Idea of this began years earlier)
And because of questioning this teaching has nothing to do with Blasphemie ore speaking against the Holy Spirit.
In non of the from you mentioned events in acts 2,8,10 and 19 the believers asked for to speak in tongues.
It came by receiving by the Holy Spirit.
And non of them had the Holy Spirit before.
Pentecostal/charismatic teaching since 1900is that believers which have already the Holy Spirit, got this baptism with the Holy Spirit combined with the gift of speaking in tongues in an timely different event then their salvation.
That there are today multiply variations in pentecostal/charismatic teachings exist, changes nothing to the fact, that topeka and azusa was the beginning of this teaching. ( even if the Idea of this began years earlier)
And because of questioning this teaching has nothing to do with Blasphemie ore speaking against the Holy Spirit.
Speaking in the language of the Spirit builds up our Spiritual man. We are born into this natural realm and we experience the world through our 5 senses. So we grow as natural men and women.
It’s in the same manner of the spiritual realm. We are born again into the realm of the heavens. Born of the Spirit of God. We speak out of this realm, a spiritual language. And we begin to grow as children Of the Lord.
it’s just this simple.
It’s in the same manner of the spiritual realm. We are born again into the realm of the heavens. Born of the Spirit of God. We speak out of this realm, a spiritual language. And we begin to grow as children Of the Lord.
it’s just this simple.
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Please read John 20:22 Jesus after the resurrection came to them Breathed on them and said " Recieve the Holy Spirit".
After this we see Jesus saying to them no go and wait until you receive power from on high.
They had the Holy Spirit for salvation when Jesus breathed on them in John 20:22. They received power from the Holy Spirit as Jesus said they would in Acts 1:8 before Jesus ascension.
Holy Spirit in you John 14:16-17 for salvation the Holy Spirit upon you for power Acts 1:8 IN YOU and With you and On you
After this we see Jesus saying to them no go and wait until you receive power from on high.
They had the Holy Spirit for salvation when Jesus breathed on them in John 20:22. They received power from the Holy Spirit as Jesus said they would in Acts 1:8 before Jesus ascension.
Holy Spirit in you John 14:16-17 for salvation the Holy Spirit upon you for power Acts 1:8 IN YOU and With you and On you
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This happens to be exactly what I'm saying.
It's not separate from receiving the Holy Ghost, it's what happens each and every time someone receives the Holy Ghost, because each and every person needs the ability to pray and worship God in SPIRIT and in truth. That's why speaking in tongues was the reliable way in the bible to tell if someone had received the Holy Spirit or had not YET received the Holy Ghost even though they ARE a believer and even though they have been baptized correctly. (Acts 8)
I don't think that is a hard thing to grasp, but it is scary to think what it actually means. Matthew 7:14
On the other hand, it's not something to be withheld from someone who currently doesn't have it...as Peter said...the promise is unto YOU, and your children, and as many as the Lord our God shall call.
In Acts 8, they didn't berate those that hadn't received the Holy Ghost at belief or at baptism, (but notice they also didn't call them "saved" yet either). They simply prayed with them to received it, which happened as they laid hands on them.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
It's not separate from receiving the Holy Ghost, it's what happens each and every time someone receives the Holy Ghost, because each and every person needs the ability to pray and worship God in SPIRIT and in truth. That's why speaking in tongues was the reliable way in the bible to tell if someone had received the Holy Spirit or had not YET received the Holy Ghost even though they ARE a believer and even though they have been baptized correctly. (Acts 8)
I don't think that is a hard thing to grasp, but it is scary to think what it actually means. Matthew 7:14
On the other hand, it's not something to be withheld from someone who currently doesn't have it...as Peter said...the promise is unto YOU, and your children, and as many as the Lord our God shall call.
In Acts 8, they didn't berate those that hadn't received the Holy Ghost at belief or at baptism, (but notice they also didn't call them "saved" yet either). They simply prayed with them to received it, which happened as they laid hands on them.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
How many people think there will be a vote to get into heaven? lol
Wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads unto destruction and many there be that go in thereat, because straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads unto life and few there be that find it.
A vote will often just reveal the majority, not the truth.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads unto destruction and many there be that go in thereat, because straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads unto life and few there be that find it.
A vote will often just reveal the majority, not the truth.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I usually try to locate the moment of divergence when similarly thinking people begin to disagree. In this case it happens to start with our reading of John 20:22.
I'm just going to state the points but spare the details,for your time's sake.
John 20:22 only speaks of what JESUS did, but does not specify what the disciples did or actually received at that time.
Jesus also said the the comforter could not come until "I go away"-John 16:7 and "go unto my father"-John 16:10 and "ye see me no more"-John 16:10 which didn't happen until Acts 1 - Acts 1:9. That's why they had to wait for the promise (Acts 1:4), which Jesus also described as being baptized with the Holy Ghost (Acts 1:5) and came (and still comes) with speaking in tongues.(Acts 2:4, etc)
Being baptized with the Holy Ghost is the promise made to all of us, and is stated in all four of the gospels. As surely as baptism in water is available to all of us and we are to submit ourselves to receiving it, so is the baptism of the Holy Ghost available to all of us and we are to submit ourselves to receiving it... and some of us have to tarry until we receive it.
Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:26&33
I realize this is a point of disagreement between us at this time. But it is not a point of disrespect.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I'm just going to state the points but spare the details,for your time's sake.
John 20:22 only speaks of what JESUS did, but does not specify what the disciples did or actually received at that time.
Jesus also said the the comforter could not come until "I go away"-John 16:7 and "go unto my father"-John 16:10 and "ye see me no more"-John 16:10 which didn't happen until Acts 1 - Acts 1:9. That's why they had to wait for the promise (Acts 1:4), which Jesus also described as being baptized with the Holy Ghost (Acts 1:5) and came (and still comes) with speaking in tongues.(Acts 2:4, etc)
Being baptized with the Holy Ghost is the promise made to all of us, and is stated in all four of the gospels. As surely as baptism in water is available to all of us and we are to submit ourselves to receiving it, so is the baptism of the Holy Ghost available to all of us and we are to submit ourselves to receiving it... and some of us have to tarry until we receive it.
Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:26&33
I realize this is a point of disagreement between us at this time. But it is not a point of disrespect.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Kelby, you are quoting just only a Part of what I am written and what is Fit to your teaching. You can do so, but this will not convince me to be right in your teachings.
We are agree, in that that we receiving the Holy Spirit and I am with you if you say every believer is getting a gift to build up the body of Christ.
But from the scripture I am not with you when you claim every believer get the gift of speaking in tongues.
Also from the scripture I am not with you when you claim that speaking in tongues is the Sign that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit.
We are agree, in that that we receiving the Holy Spirit and I am with you if you say every believer is getting a gift to build up the body of Christ.
But from the scripture I am not with you when you claim every believer get the gift of speaking in tongues.
Also from the scripture I am not with you when you claim that speaking in tongues is the Sign that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit.
speaking in tongue is not proof one is saved. Empowered yes not not saved
You know that Paul teaches that not all will get the gift of speaking in tongues, like not all get the gift to healing.
That means Paul knew, that all not tongue giftet believers are automatically excluded from be empowered by the Holy Spirit ?
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I don't think the gift of tingues is proof of salvation and I also don't think everyone recieves it when they are saved. There is worshiping and praying in the spirit which is a form of tongues but not everyone does this you have to have a very close and intimate bond with god to express these things.
When people think of praying and worshipping in the spirit they think of doing it in turht and with a sincere heart but it goes much deeper than that.
There is a graoning of the spirit things deeper than words can express and maybe everyone knows this graoning I cannot speak for others but not everyone knows how to utilize it.
There is a tongues that edifies the believer and spoken in the spirit to god no one knows it or understands it except the two in the conversation God and the believer and then there is tongues that edifies the church which is usually what people ex[ect to see an unkown language spoken and this one requires an interpreter otherwise it probably is not tongues because if no one can understand what is being spoken then it doesn't edify them.
Although I suppose this isn't exactly true since the first and only time I experienced it I had no clue what was being said but could feel it, I think in those moments the holy spirit translate for us
When people think of praying and worshipping in the spirit they think of doing it in turht and with a sincere heart but it goes much deeper than that.
There is a graoning of the spirit things deeper than words can express and maybe everyone knows this graoning I cannot speak for others but not everyone knows how to utilize it.
There is a tongues that edifies the believer and spoken in the spirit to god no one knows it or understands it except the two in the conversation God and the believer and then there is tongues that edifies the church which is usually what people ex[ect to see an unkown language spoken and this one requires an interpreter otherwise it probably is not tongues because if no one can understand what is being spoken then it doesn't edify them.
Although I suppose this isn't exactly true since the first and only time I experienced it I had no clue what was being said but could feel it, I think in those moments the holy spirit translate for us