The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

[Dino246]

Prophecy is the tongue of God

Where is that in Scripture? Nowhere. Prophecy is never called "a tongue" (or anything similar) in Scripture. You made that up yourself.

Christ is us a we do today .

Huh? That is just nonsense. Please proofread--and correct-- your word salad before posting.

Without that spirit of faith we would have no mediator between the denominations as well as individual brothers and sisters .

There is no mediator between the denominations or between individuals, unless they agree to have a human mediator in some specific situation. There is, however, one mediator between God and mankind, the man Jesus Christ.

 

[Scribe]

This is incoherent blather and is irrelevant to my post.

Twaddle, and Slabber.

 

[wolfwint]

" And God has placed in the church" It is very important to catch that Paul is talking about gifts operating in the Church assembly. Not everyone is going to operate in the gift of tongues in the church assembly. However we see ALL 120 speaking in tongues on the Day of Pentecost, All of the Ephesians disciples, All those with Cornelius. How do we reconcile the fact that they ALL spoke in tongues and Paul asking "Do all speak in tongues?" We might answer Paul.. "Why yes Paul all 120 on the day of Pentecost spoke in tongues.." or "Yes, Paul in Cornelius house all those gathered with him that believed spoke in tongues.." And Paul would say to you.. "yes but in the CHURCH only two or three and with an interpreter". Scriptures must reconcile.

One must answer the question why ALL in the upper room spoke in tongues if it is true that not everyone is able to receive this gift. And the answer is that Paul was not meaning that everyone is not able to receive this gift but rather IN THE CHURCH not everyone will speak in tongues, not if done decently and in order they won't.

Thats eisegese. You laying down in the scripture what is not standing there. 1.Cor. 12, 30 has nothing to to with acts 2,10 ore 19.
I mean you can do that, but this is in my eyes no serious teaching.
The Text there is clear. Not all will get the gift of speaking in tongues, as not all will get the gift of healing etc. etc.

 

[wolfwint]

Paul was quoting from Isaiah quite often. They were indeed reading from the scriptures.

There is no such thing as a time when the first church was without scripture, waiting for the New Testament writers to replace the scriptures that already existed. Paul was teaching constantly from the scriptures and revealing Jesus Christ in books like Isaiah. They were being fed scriptures daily. They did not use the gifts of the Spirit to replace scripture. That was not the purpose of the gifts of the Spirit then, and it is not the purpose of the gifts of the Spirit now.

The gift of prophesy in the New Testament church is not the same thing as an Old Testament Prophet writing scriptures.

It is not that complicated people. One has to try hard to mess this up. LOL

Its the same God behind and the same Holy Spirit. Where I said that the OT scripture has to replaced?
I said today there are no New revealations, which we not will find in the OT ore NT.
The bible is the only revealation we need to know for our Christian life, till we turn into the eternity. But we need the Holy Spirit for to open it for us.

 

[soggykitten]

I've always understood tongues as in the Bible topic, is a reference to speaking different languages. Only in Bible days rather than using that kind of term or any other, speaking in tongues, was understood to be the same thing.
I think that is why Paul, I think it was him, said unless someone is there to interpret tongues should be refrained from.
Wouldn't the Apostles sent into the world would have to know the languages of the worlds people in order to bring the gospel to the worlds people?

 

[KelbyofGod]

I've always understood tongues as in the Bible topic, is a reference to speaking different languages. Only in Bible days rather than using that kind of term or any other, speaking in tongues, was understood to be the same thing.
I think that is why Paul, I think it was him, said unless someone is there to interpret tongues should be refrained from.
Wouldn't the Apostles sent into the world would have to know the languages of the worlds people in order to bring the gospel to the worlds people?

Hi soggykitten,
Welcome to the thread.

I'll give my answer your last question first because it's kind of the easiest for me. I think any apostle or other party who wanted to minister to a group of people would want to know how to speak the language of the group they were visiting. Otherwise they would require an interpreter of some kind. But i have to admit that I've not really thought deeply on that particular topic.

However, on the topic of speaking in tongues, I am more knowledgeable because I've received that particular blessing a few decades ago and have been using it since.

When I refer to "speaking in tongues" I'm almost always referring to that babbly prayer language that people receive when they receive the Holy Ghost. That might sound odd for me to say it that way, if you've been taught that the Holy Ghost comes without any direct evidence, so let's say it another way. .. I'm referring to that babbly prayer language that people receive when they are really seeking God and are open to, and desiring for, God's move in their midst.

Its a controversial subject partly because it is fairly easy to determine who does have it, and who doesn't have it. That's why it is both a sign (to the unbelievers) and a witness (to the believers).

I will add this part so you don't get upset if you don't currently have it. It is available to all, and about all you have to do to get it is to ask for it until you receive it (straight from God in Jesus name).

If you aren't familiar with the topic I recommend reading the book of Acts and see how "receiving the Holy Ghost" and "speaking in tongues" are related.

Meanwhile, I wish you the best in that searching, and am willing to answer almost any questions you might have.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[garee]

This is incoherent blather and is irrelevant to my post.

Incoherent blather? The self edifying new age doctrine is the tongues which you are promoting as a "sign gift" .

I made a noise I did it. I fell backward. I am filled with wonder lust .

Who needs faith when person can wonder.?

Nothing proves nothing. Grunting prove grunting . Prophesying is hearing words that have understanding called the gospel

No such thing a "sign gift."

 

[garee]

I've always understood tongues as in the Bible topic, is a reference to speaking different languages. Only in Bible days rather than using that kind of term or any other, speaking in tongues, was understood to be the same thing.
I think that is why Paul, I think it was him, said unless someone is there to interpret tongues should be refrained from.
Wouldn't the Apostles sent into the world would have to know the languages of the worlds people in order to bring the gospel to the worlds people?

When God was still brining new revelations which by he moved men to record His thoughts it was possible . But Revelation 22 is still the last recording of God's tongue, prophecy . Today they have electronic devises to hear the interpretation . Or pick up a Bible in the known language tongue . .

.For a short while God use this strange way of talking, to all the nations as a sign against unbelief, no faith coming from God as orals tradition of men that did make the law of tongues (Isaiah 28) without effect.

He would bring new prophecy as the tongue of God .The prophet like Peter was moved as usual but because of the law in Isiah 28 the propmised he would speak to men in other other than the language

God did use this strange way of talking, and he used other languages to speak to these people.

 

[garee]

Hi soggykitten,
Welcome to the thread.

I'll give my answer your last question first because it's kind of the easiest for me. I think any apostle or other party who wanted to minister to a group of people would want to know how to speak the language of the group they were visiting. Otherwise they would require an interpreter of some kind. But i have to admit that I've not really thought deeply on that particular topic.

However, on the topic of speaking in tongues, I am more knowledgeable because I've received that particular blessing a few decades ago and have been using it since.

When I refer to "speaking in tongues" I'm almost always referring to that babbly prayer language that people receive when they receive the Holy Ghost. That might sound odd for me to say it that way, if you've been taught that the Holy Ghost comes without any direct evidence, so let's say it another way. .. I'm referring to that babbly prayer language that people receive when they are really seeking God and are open to, and desiring for, God's move in their midst.

Its a controversial subject partly because it is fairly easy to determine who does have it, and who doesn't have it. That's why it is both a sign (to the unbelievers) and a witness (to the believers).

I will add this part so you don't get upset if you don't currently have it. It is available to all, and about all you have to do to get it is to ask for it until you receive it (straight from God in Jesus name).

If you aren't familiar with the topic I recommend reading the book of Acts and see how "receiving the Holy Ghost" and "speaking in tongues" are related.

Meanwhile, I wish you the best in that searching, and am willing to answer almost any questions you might have.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Babbly prayer language? God does not inspire babbly babble . He inspires words .Did you look at the 23 Psalm. That the kind of prayer language required to understand God. .Why return to the tower of babble? Confusion, wonderment and disorder ?

Its a controversial subject because of the babble factor. They have no witness .They call babbling the witness .

The believer has the witness of God hid in their hearts .No need for fill ups.

Why would a believer need a outward sign to search after believing something ? No faith?

 

[garee]

Twaddle, and Slabber.

LOL Did you fall backward slain in the spirit to complete your sign of wondering fill ups?

 

[Scribe]

LOL Did you fall backward slain in the spirit to complete your sign of wondering fill ups?

More blithering?

 

[Scribe]

Incoherent blather? The self edifying new age doctrine is the tongues which you are promoting as a "sign gift" .

I made a noise I did it. I fell backward. I am filled with wonder lust .

Who needs faith when person can wonder.?

Nothing proves nothing. Grunting prove grunting . Prophesying is hearing words that have understanding called the gospel

No such thing a "sign gift."

May you discover peace and healing.

 

[garee]

May you discover peace and healing.

Through lying wonders that some call sign gifts?

May you discover the foundation of the doctrine of tongues. Its hid in the old testament. Then there could be understanding and no need to wonder filling something up?

 

[KelbyofGod]

Babbly prayer language? God does not inspire babbly babble . He inspires words .Did you look at the 23 Psalm. That the kind of prayer language required to understand God. .Why return to the tower of babble? Confusion, wonderment and disorder ?

Its a controversial subject because of the babble factor. They have no witness .They call babbling the witness .

The believer has the witness of God hid in their hearts .No need for fill ups.

Why would a believer need a outward sign to search after believing something ? No faith?

Garee,
Why do you come to a thread that talks almost exclusively about "speaking in tongues"?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[soggykitten]

Hi soggykitten,
Welcome to the thread.

I'll give my answer your last question first because it's kind of the easiest for me. I think any apostle or other party who wanted to minister to a group of people would want to know how to speak the language of the group they were visiting. Otherwise they would require an interpreter of some kind. But i have to admit that I've not really thought deeply on that particular topic.

However, on the topic of speaking in tongues, I am more knowledgeable because I've received that particular blessing a few decades ago and have been using it since.

When I refer to "speaking in tongues" I'm almost always referring to that babbly prayer language that people receive when they receive the Holy Ghost. That might sound odd for me to say it that way, if you've been taught that the Holy Ghost comes without any direct evidence, so let's say it another way. .. I'm referring to that babbly prayer language that people receive when they are really seeking God and are open to, and desiring for, God's move in their midst.

Its a controversial subject partly because it is fairly easy to determine who does have it, and who doesn't have it. That's why it is both a sign (to the unbelievers) and a witness (to the believers).

I will add this part so you don't get upset if you don't currently have it. It is available to all, and about all you have to do to get it is to ask for it until you receive it (straight from God in Jesus name).

If you aren't familiar with the topic I recommend reading the book of Acts and see how "receiving the Holy Ghost" and "speaking in tongues" are related.

Meanwhile, I wish you the best in that searching, and am willing to answer almost any questions you might have.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Thanks for your testimony there. I've read Acts too.
Love in Jesus to you as well.

 

[garee]

Garee,
Why do you come to a thread that talks almost exclusively about "speaking in tongues"?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

It is one of the threads I visit.

But as why to help those have a proper understanding of prophecy, the tongue of God. . I found the foundation of tongues. David said in the Psalms. . what can the believer do if the foundations of the doctrines are made to no effect. To include the tongues foundation (the revealed will of God) Like most it is established in the old.

Have you looked at the foundation of the law in respect to the doctrine of tongues ?


There is no such thing as "sign gift". Or look in the mirror gift.

Spiritual gift not seen yes .It the Spirit of Christ works from within the believer by the power of the Holy Spirit .He uses words with understanding and expects the same as a witness to what was said (prophecy) . No witness in senseless sounds.. No amen. Just a noise.

How would a person support a unknown ? Just wonder?


Who said making a noise without understanding means secret prayer. Seeing God know our needs before it enters our lips. Self edification as a public witness ? Or in the private, a shout "alleluia" .and a leap for Joy .

 

[Dino246]

Incoherent blather? The self edifying new age doctrine is the tongues which you are promoting as a "sign gift" .

Quote me where I have promoted a "self edifying (sic) new age doctrine ... as a 'sign gift'".

As I am absolutely certain you can't, I will simply conclude that once again, you are lying about me.

 

[garee]

Quote me where I have promoted a "self edifying (sic) new age doctrine ... as a 'sign gift'".

As I am absolutely certain you can't, I will simply conclude that once again, you are lying about me.

Not those direct words but you have been supporting self edification, sign gifts .

Self edifying and building up of one's spirit...a Direct hot line to God. Just wonder .

Prophecy the tongue of God .It declares the will of God

Still waiting for you to identify who the sign is against in the re-offering of the law below first offered in Isaiah 28.Do we make the foundation without effect. or yet establish it .And again yet for all that will they not hear me, the tongue of prophecy ?

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Corinthians 14: 21-22

If tongues is not prophecy then what is it? What drives a person to fall backward with a whole lot of shaken going on .

Things of men or that of God.

Where is the filling of wonderments today with a 6 ft. space . Will men run out wonderments pick me uppers?

 

[Dino246]

Not those direct words but you have been supporting self edification, sign gifts .

Either back up your accusations with actual quotations, or withdraw them.

Prophecy the tongue of God .

There is no scriptural foundation for this idea.

If tongues is not prophecy then what is it?

Best that you get your answer directly from Scripture.

 

[garee]

Either back up your accusations with actual quotations, or withdraw them.


There is no scriptural foundation for this idea.


Best that you get your answer directly from Scripture.

I have. So then you do not know, makes me wonder?

Is prophecy the tongue of God or of men?. Remember nothing "senseless sounds" proves nothing . they can produce wondering but not faith . Evidence demands a verdict . Prophecy, the will of God declared or unknown sounds?