The Quran similarity with bible
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Hi StraightPath,
The most important point you (and many Christian ) are missing is that Jesus Christ is alive and well today and he talks to us (mainly our hearts) as he teaches us. The apostle Paul is a full example of Jesus teaching us. No one taught Paul about Jesus Christ but Jesus Christ who had been killed then resurrected. I think it was 14 years after his conversion before he really sat down with Christian teaches and compared gospel. I know that Jesus Christ is working in and through me.
It is for this very reason that Mohammed is not from God. Why would God put a voice of confusion against Jesus Christ the Son He wants to honor. As Jesus Christ is alive (as is God) another way to God is not needed. Jesus Christ can talk to you to if you sincerely want him to. Jesus said the people who belong to God know his voice and come to him. You may or may not ever recognise his voice but it is not our place to judge you because we don't know. I heard Jesus call me when I was 52 or thereabouts. If someone had condemned me for my sinful behaviour a week before and said I was from satan, then they would have made a mistake.
You may be one of God's children. I do not know. But I do know that the Quran is not from God because it does not lead one to Jesus.
Our own scripture says we need not be taught by man. John 14:26 " But the comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name , he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.'
Hebrew 8:10 " For this is the covenant I will make with the the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying Know the Lord: for all shall know me from the least to the greatest.
love
edwin
The most important point you (and many Christian ) are missing is that Jesus Christ is alive and well today and he talks to us (mainly our hearts) as he teaches us. The apostle Paul is a full example of Jesus teaching us. No one taught Paul about Jesus Christ but Jesus Christ who had been killed then resurrected. I think it was 14 years after his conversion before he really sat down with Christian teaches and compared gospel. I know that Jesus Christ is working in and through me.
It is for this very reason that Mohammed is not from God. Why would God put a voice of confusion against Jesus Christ the Son He wants to honor. As Jesus Christ is alive (as is God) another way to God is not needed. Jesus Christ can talk to you to if you sincerely want him to. Jesus said the people who belong to God know his voice and come to him. You may or may not ever recognise his voice but it is not our place to judge you because we don't know. I heard Jesus call me when I was 52 or thereabouts. If someone had condemned me for my sinful behaviour a week before and said I was from satan, then they would have made a mistake.
You may be one of God's children. I do not know. But I do know that the Quran is not from God because it does not lead one to Jesus.
Our own scripture says we need not be taught by man. John 14:26 " But the comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name , he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.'
Hebrew 8:10 " For this is the covenant I will make with the the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying Know the Lord: for all shall know me from the least to the greatest.
love
edwin
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Hi JohnKnox,
You are mistaken. It is not a very wise collection of human philosophy. It is a very clever deception given to a man by Satan.
People are not deceived by a collection of rubbish. Satan uses scripture to deceive us. It sounds fantastic or reads holy but there is always a twist, usually by an exaggeration or an over emphasis which you don't find in scripture. Ie scripture says 2 or 3 witnesses but you read some unholy book and they want a dozen or more. Be very careful as there are a lot of pious books out there sounding holy.
love
edwin.
You are mistaken. It is not a very wise collection of human philosophy. It is a very clever deception given to a man by Satan.
People are not deceived by a collection of rubbish. Satan uses scripture to deceive us. It sounds fantastic or reads holy but there is always a twist, usually by an exaggeration or an over emphasis which you don't find in scripture. Ie scripture says 2 or 3 witnesses but you read some unholy book and they want a dozen or more. Be very careful as there are a lot of pious books out there sounding holy.
love
edwin.
Reread the previous posts, maybe you've missed a piece of the story.
Of course I should love my neighbor, and do and wish for him as much good as I would for myself.
but to be 'kind' to my enemies ? ... I really have difficulty with that it depends on how you interpret 'kindness', but still, I CAN be 'kind' to my enemies ...because I believe the choice of showing 'kindness' or not to my enemies belongs to me.
but to 'love' my enemies as in 'Luke 6:27' then this is for sure, I Can't ! otherwise I would be lying.
Of course I should love my neighbor, and do and wish for him as much good as I would for myself.
but to be 'kind' to my enemies ? ... I really have difficulty with that it depends on how you interpret 'kindness', but still, I CAN be 'kind' to my enemies ...because I believe the choice of showing 'kindness' or not to my enemies belongs to me.
but to 'love' my enemies as in 'Luke 6:27' then this is for sure, I Can't ! otherwise I would be lying.
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Hi JohnKnox,
Another point that seems to have totally escaped you and certainly all muslims is that the old testament was God showing us His control over all matters relating to this earth. This age has finished. We know and understand that God is the supreme commander and no one is able to prevent Him from His will and His prophecy. Now with Christ we are learning the lessons that God also has total control over the spiritual realms and we are learning to overcome the world, this earthly place, because we are spiritual.
Muslims are still occupied with the matters of this earth. Christianity has moved beyond this.
love
edwin
Another point that seems to have totally escaped you and certainly all muslims is that the old testament was God showing us His control over all matters relating to this earth. This age has finished. We know and understand that God is the supreme commander and no one is able to prevent Him from His will and His prophecy. Now with Christ we are learning the lessons that God also has total control over the spiritual realms and we are learning to overcome the world, this earthly place, because we are spiritual.
Muslims are still occupied with the matters of this earth. Christianity has moved beyond this.
love
edwin
C
Eventually, on any given subject, the Quran and the Bible come to an impasse. If there was just one verse in the Quran that you feel sums up the path of Islam, what would that passage be? For the Bible, I would go with "For God loved the world so much that He gave His only Begotten Son, so that whoever believes in Him will not die, but have eternal life."
I would say Quran 'chapter 112' also known as chapter Al-Ikhlass 'the Purity' or 'the Sincerity'.
In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful,
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
Surat Al-'Ikhlas - The Holy Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
It is one of the shortest chapter, but it is said, according to Abu’l-Dardaa’ that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Is any one of you unable to recite one-third of the Qur’aan in one night?” They said, “How could anyone read one-third of the Qur’aan?” He said, “Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad is equivalent to one-third of the Qur’aan.”
Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad, = Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Peace
In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful,
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
Surat Al-'Ikhlas - The Holy Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
It is one of the shortest chapter, but it is said, according to Abu’l-Dardaa’ that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Is any one of you unable to recite one-third of the Qur’aan in one night?” They said, “How could anyone read one-third of the Qur’aan?” He said, “Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad is equivalent to one-third of the Qur’aan.”
Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad, = Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Peace
C
Compare your choice from the Quran to my choice from scripture: "For God loved the world so much that He gave His only Begotten Son, so that whoever believes in Him will not die, but have eternal life."
You cannot get a greater contrast. You probably have felt picked on here. regarding that, I can only say that the thread was started by a Moslem and was on a subject that strikes the core of our faith. I do not hate Muslims. During Ramadan, I fast also and pray that the Muslims will come to know the One True God that they seek. I pray also for peace between the two sons of Abraham.
I mostly want to say this, that you (as I) are part of the world that God loves, and that the Eternally Begotten Son became flesh and died on the cross for your sins as well as mine. Jesus loves you and holds out his hands to you, hoping that you will recieve all that God has provided for you.
You cannot get a greater contrast. You probably have felt picked on here. regarding that, I can only say that the thread was started by a Moslem and was on a subject that strikes the core of our faith. I do not hate Muslims. During Ramadan, I fast also and pray that the Muslims will come to know the One True God that they seek. I pray also for peace between the two sons of Abraham.
I mostly want to say this, that you (as I) are part of the world that God loves, and that the Eternally Begotten Son became flesh and died on the cross for your sins as well as mine. Jesus loves you and holds out his hands to you, hoping that you will recieve all that God has provided for you.
C
All i know is that the Moslems know they come from Abraham, Father of Nations, Father of faith. Welcome to our cousins,to love them is Gods Word to us christians, we are the ones who have had Jesus revealed to us, guess what?, we come under more scrutiny on judgement day i assure you for our hearts attitude to those who havent had Christ revealed to them.Every knee shall bow and confess..... God will pour His Spirit upon ALL flesh.......
with love and sadness sometimes, we are all created by God regardless, God can sort out the wheat from the tares
someone throws the bait, people nibble
with love and sadness sometimes, we are all created by God regardless, God can sort out the wheat from the tares
someone throws the bait, people nibble
J
I don't know why you'd think I'd think that, but you seemed to have missed my point. Perhaps I was being too subtle when trying to call attention to what I perceived to be a weak argument that the Bible is more about militaristic expansionism than the Quran. I may have also been too subtle in my other post in this thread.
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Hi JohnKnox,
Thank you for trying for a meeting of ideas. I am still not understanding you or you me. Your words, the Bible is more about militaristic expansionism than the Quran. Where do you see military expansion in the New Testament? Jesus Christ is the New Testament. His teachings are about the kingdom of God. This has moved from earthly issues to the spiritual realm. The Old Testament was about God's might here on earth. This is where I see Muslims, still back involved in earthly issues and real estate, waging war and conquering lands.
love
edwin.
Thank you for trying for a meeting of ideas. I am still not understanding you or you me. Your words, the Bible is more about militaristic expansionism than the Quran. Where do you see military expansion in the New Testament? Jesus Christ is the New Testament. His teachings are about the kingdom of God. This has moved from earthly issues to the spiritual realm. The Old Testament was about God's might here on earth. This is where I see Muslims, still back involved in earthly issues and real estate, waging war and conquering lands.
love
edwin.
J
Ok, let's back up and look at the flow of events as I saw them again:
- I don't know a great deal about the Quran, but it's fairly clear that Islam owes its early success to military conquest. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that maybe Islam would have died out without it.
- My perception of the history of Christianity is that it owes its success to persuasion of a different kind.
- Someone pointed out that the Bible mentions the sword many times, but the Quran never does. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
- I perceived #3 to be an attempt to upset the perception that the Quran is about military expansionism and the Bible isn't.
- I bought out an example of how the Bible deprecates use of the sword. This was meant to illustrate that mere mention of the sword does not mean you admire it. In fact, the word can be used to mean that you have a more gentler approach to dealing w/adversity.
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The points of tension between Islam and Christianity demonstrate the theological incompatibility of these two world views. To embrace Islam is to deny the essentials of the Christian faith; likewise, to espouse Christianity is to compromise seriously the core beliefs of Islam.
Apologetics Press - A Christian Approach To Islam [Part I]
Apologetics Press - A Christian Approach to Islam [Part II]
Comparison grid between Christianity and Islamic doctrine | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Free Online Study Materials:
Islam and Christianity Series - Questions About Islam and The Bible
Recommended Reading:
Apologetics Press - A Christian Approach To Islam [Part I]
Apologetics Press - A Christian Approach to Islam [Part II]
Comparison grid between Christianity and Islamic doctrine | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Free Online Study Materials:
Islam and Christianity Series - Questions About Islam and The Bible
Recommended Reading:
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The points of tension between Islam and Christianity demonstrate the theological incompatibility of these two world views. To embrace Islam is to deny the essentials of the Christian faith; likewise, to espouse Christianity is to compromise seriously the core beliefs of Islam.
Apologetics Press - A Christian Approach To Islam [Part I]
Apologetics Press - A Christian Approach to Islam [Part II]
Comparison grid between Christianity and Islamic doctrine | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Free Online Study Materials:
http://www.investigateislam.com/
Recommended Reading:
Apologetics Press - A Christian Approach To Islam [Part I]
Apologetics Press - A Christian Approach to Islam [Part II]
Comparison grid between Christianity and Islamic doctrine | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Free Online Study Materials:
http://www.investigateislam.com/
Recommended Reading:
Answering Islam, A Christian-Muslim Dialog and Apologetic
Muhammadtube
http://www.investigateislam.com/
investigate islam (in Arabic for muslims)
YouTube - AllahTheLeg's Channel
Hope those will be a blessing to Christians who want to know about Islam, what they believe, what is the hadith, who is the Islamic Isa and all sorts of interesting materials and outreach tools.
God bless!