The Quran similarity with bible

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Ok, let's back up and look at the flow of events as I saw them again:

  1. I don't know a great deal about the Quran, but it's fairly clear that Islam owes its early success to military conquest. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that maybe Islam would have died out without it.
  2. My perception of the history of Christianity is that it owes its success to persuasion of a different kind.
  3. Someone pointed out that the Bible mentions the sword many times, but the Quran never does. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
  4. I perceived #3 to be an attempt to upset the perception that the Quran is about military expansionism and the Bible isn't.
  5. I bought out an example of how the Bible deprecates use of the sword. This was meant to illustrate that mere mention of the sword does not mean you admire it. In fact, the word can be used to mean that you have a more gentler approach to dealing w/adversity.
Also, I couldn't agree with you more, about how Islam is very Earth-minded, and that the New Testament is about rising above that.
Hi JohnKnox
Thank you for putting in such an effort. I am very pleased you see Islam being very Earth-minded and the New Testament rising about that. ( The kingdom of God)
love
edwin
 
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Ed, I think he is saying that the Bible is not about militaristic expansion.
Hi charisenexcelcis,
Thanks for the leg up. It is hard to see when your teeth have taken the bit and your eyes are closed.
love
edwin
 
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There are differences between this two religions one would be

Islam has no assurance of salvation but Christianity has the assurance of Salvation.

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There are differences between this two religions one would be

Islam has no assurance of salvation but Christianity has the assurance of Salvation.

-End-
NOT SO -if you are a suicide bomber you not only have assurance of salvation you get 70 virgins, alcohol and your family left behind gets cash
 
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But committing suicide is a sin right? So are you encouraging people to kill themselves by suicide bombing? Nope, if they do there will be world war 3! yes that's how they practice Jihad! But what about the salvation of the family members living behind on earth?

I don't blame the religion Islam put the person who compile the Quran because they have taken out The Injil that would be the Gospel! It is also stated in Wikipedia

The Injil (Arabic إنجيل (or Injeel) is the Arabic name for the Christian gospel, and one of the four Islamic Holy Books the Qur'an records as revealed by God, the others being the Suhuf Ibrahim, Zabur, Tawrat and Qur'an.
The word Injil is derived from Greek word Ευαγγέλιον (evangelion), gospel and means 'the good news'.
Some Muslims claim the Gospel or the New Testament to have been corrupted over time, however there are not textual evidence of this corruption,[1] others hold the view that the Injil is a lost book, different from the New Testament which was either written by the apostles or people connected to them.
According to the Twelver Shia, the original and uncorrupted Injil is contained in al-Jafr (a mystical Shia holy book), which is presently in the keeping of Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi.



In the Qur'an

The word Injil occurs twelve times in the Qur'an (3:2, 3:43, 3:58; 5:50–51, 5:70, 5:72, 5:110; 7:156; 9:112; 48:29; 57:27) and refers to the revelation to Isa (Jesus). Most Muslims do not believe that the Injil in the Qur'n refers to the four Gospels or the New Testament. Although the Qu'ran refers to the message of Isa, the contents of the revelation contained in the Qur'anic Injil is not specified in the Qur'anic text. In Qur'an, the Injil is instruction for the righteous; Qur'an 5:46: "And We sent in their footsteps Jesus the son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Injil, in it is guidance and light, and to authenticate what is present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and lesson for the righteous."
[edit] Difference from the Gospels

Muslim scholars generally dispute that Injil refers to either a lost scripture or the four Gospels. Others believe the Injil was not a physical book, but simply a set of teachings. The word Injil is used in the Qur'an, the Hadith and early Muslim documents to refer specifically to the revelations made by God to Isa (Jesus). [citation needed]
However, Christian scholars claims that since the Qur’an mentions the Gospel as “the Book” or “the Scriptures.” (34:31, 35:31, 10:37, 12:111, 3:3, 5:51) Then the New Testament must be the Injil.

Arabic Christians use an Arabic Bible that is the same Bible used by other Christians world wide, but sometimes refer to it as Injil.





Accuracy and authority

Main article: Tahrif
Many Muslim scholars believe that the Injil has undergone tahrif, that words and the meaning of the words have been distorted, with some passages suppressed and others added. The Islamic principle of the oneness and wholeness of God's divinity (tawhid) means that in their view it is impossible for Jesus to be God incarnate or the Son of God, and that the worship of Jesus by Christians is due to corruption in the Christian texts.
Disputed areas of text within the Injil include references where Jesus is called the Son of God by his followers and the events that occurred after Jesus' death. The majority of Muslims believe that instead of Jesus dying on the cross and then being resurrected, he was never crucified, but ascended into heaven.
Although parts of the Injil are generally believed to have been corrupted over time, the original Injil is, nonetheless, a revelation from God to Jesus in the eyes of Muslims. It is therefore treated as such, and belief in it is necessary, as is prescribed by one of the six Islamic articles of faith.
Many Muslims still believe that, of the books (al-kutub) sent by God, only the Qur’an remains undistorted and protected from tahrif. God took upon Himself the preservation of the Qur'an, unlike the Tawrat, Zabur and Injil.[citation needed] The Qur'an is considered to be the only flawless scripture still existing, with the Scrolls of Abraham being lost.[citation needed]


I bet many muslims have never question about the Injil? If not they would have believe in Isa Al-Masih that would be out Lord Jesus Christ! If they claim they believe in Isa Al-Masih why aren't they following the teachings of Isa Al-Masih and his disciples? However, they believe in Muhammad S.A.W and his disciples! And if you read more the muslims will always claim that most of the content are LOST or DISTORTED!
 
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The content I mean was the Injil ! The Gospel! and If they knew it , then they would have believe in Isa Al-Masih! that would be our Lord Jesus christ! The Quran mentions about his miracles but those are his work!
 
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hmm the muslims r more chrstians than the chrstians them selfs y ? i will tell u y 1 bible says dont eat pork all muslims dont eat pork most of the christians eat pork bible says dont drink alcohol muslims dont most of the chrstian do bible says if your hands and feet sin cut them off muslims do that chrstians dont bible says woman should cover thier hair of shave it muslims cover thier hair like mother of jesus did chrstians dont
if u say u love jesus and dont follow his teachings your love is wrong thats y muslims love jesus more than chrstians
 
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One thing I find interesting as a Catholic Christian, is tht the Quran mentions Mary, Jesus' mother, and affirms Catholic teachings and beliefs about her like the virgin birth of Christ and Mary's immaculate conception.
 
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hmm the muslims r more chrstians than the chrstians them selfs y ? i will tell u y 1 bible says dont eat pork all muslims dont eat pork most of the christians eat pork bible says dont drink alcohol muslims dont most of the chrstian do bible says if your hands and feet sin cut them off
if u say u love jesus and dont follow his teachings your love is wrong thats y muslims love jesus more than chrstians
In the Acts of the Apostles Peter and the early Church do away with the kosher laws and we are allowed to eat pork.

I am not aware of any Bible verse that forbids alcohol. In fact, the Psalms say that wine is a gift from God. Jesus' first miracle was to turn water into wine. Drinking alcohol in moderation is one thing and drinking in excess is a whole nother matter.

And I believe that Christ was speaking more metaphorically when He mentioned the cutting off of hands.

God bless.
 
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I'm not sure I agree with this. I haven't read a great deal of the Quran, but from what I gather, it is a very wise collection of human philosophy.
Human Philosophy ever save anyone?
 
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Quran-"When you meet the unbelievers, strike them in the neck."

thats a lie what a shame do u really have to lie? thats not in the quran how week u r shame shame
 
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Quran-"When you meet the unbelievers, strike them in the neck."

thats a lie what a shame do u really have to lie? thats not in the quran how week u r shame shame
I'm sorry, but he was quoting Sura 48:29.
 
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in islam some sin has a punishment but what these guys do is writing the punishment without the reason
 
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in islam some sin has a punishment but what these guys do is writing the punishment without the reason
You are only experiencing a tiny aspect of these brothers and sisters. There is more love in them then you know, but at times fear gets the best of us. You need to be faithful in your commitment to Christ Jesus. Perhaps from the mouth of babes the truth will be spoken most clearly.
Your brother-in-Christ
David King
 
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# Similarities :


Muslims believe God dictated every word of the Qur'an and that God has protected the Qur’an from any possible human mistakes. The Qur’an, therefore, is perfect in every way as God is perfect. Most Muslims believe the Qur'an is applicable to every person regardless of context. Christians believe the Bible is completely true, but in a different way. The Bible is the record of God’s revelation to the Jews and through Jesus. It is written by humans together with God through a process called Divine Inspiration.


The stories in the Qur'an often contain few details and tend to concentrate more on the moral or spiritual significance of the story. Some Muslims may turn to the Bible to give a fuller picture of the person concerned. However there are guidelines set out in the way Muslims are to understand the Bible, the primary one being that the Qur'an is always more authoritative than the Bible. Therefore, anything in the Bible that agrees with the Qur'an is accepted, and anything in the Bible that disagrees with the Qur'an is rejected. Some things in the Bible are not talked about at all in the Qur`an or in the sunnah; in regards to such passages, Muslims are instructed to neither believe nor disbelieve in them, but they are allowed to read them and pass them on if they wish to do so.


# Dissimilarities :


Muhammad and Jesus

The Quran:

"You shall believe in God and His messengers. You shall not say, 'Trinity.' You shall refrain from this for your own good. God is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son." Sura 4:171
"Pagans indeed are those who say that God is the Messiah, son of Mary." Sura 5:72
"Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger of God and the final prophet." Sura 33:40

The Bible:

"If He called them 'gods', to whom the word of God came - and the Scripture cannot be broken - what about the one whom the Father set apart as His very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?" John 10:35-36
Jesus says: "If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own." John 7:17


How are we saved?

The Quran:

"O you who believe, let Me inform you of a trade that will save you from painful retribution. Believe in God and His messenger and strive in the cause of God with your money and your lives. This is the best deal for you, if you only knew. In return, He forgives your sins, and admits you into gardens with flowing streams, with beautiful mansions in the gardens of Eden. This is the greatest triumph."
Sura 61:10-12

The Bible:

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no-one can boast."
Eph 2:8-9

"If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord (= God)' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Rom.10:9-10


Treatment of a woman

The Quran:

"If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then deserting them in bed, then you may beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them." Sura 4:34

The Bible:

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her."
Eph.5:25



War

The Quran:

"You may fight in the cause of God against those who attack you, but do not aggress. God does not love the aggressors. You may kill those who wage war against you, ..." Sura 2:190-191
"Unless these people leave you alone, offer you peace, and stop fighting you, you may fight them when you encounter them. Against these, we give you a clear authorization." Sura 4:91
"Those who readily fight in the cause of God are those who forsake this world in favor of the Hereafter. Whoever fights in the cause of God, then gets killed, or attains victory, we will surely grant him a great recompense." Sura 4:74

The Bible:

"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
Matthew 5:44
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who ill-treat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic." Luke 6:27-29
"Jesus said to him: 'Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." Matthew 26:52



Heaven

The Quran:

"As for those who believe and lead a righteous life - we never burden any soul beyond its means - these will be the dwellers of Paradise. They abide in it forever. We will remove all jealousy from their hearts. Rivers will flow beneath them, and they will say, 'God be praised for guiding us. We could not possibly be guided, if it were not that God has guided us. The messengers of our Lord did bring the truth.' They will be called: 'This is your Paradise. You have inherited it, in return for your works.'" Sura 7:42-43

The Bible:

"Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and His servants will serve Him. They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads." Rev.21:27-22:4


Muhammad disbelieves the two great truths of the Bible's Jesus: Jesus is the Son of God and only His atoning sacrifice opens for us the acceptance of God.


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. - John 14:6 :D



Regards

Clement :D
 
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I'm not sure I agree with this. I haven't read a great deal of the Quran, but from what I gather, it is a very wise collection of human philosophy.
Hi JohnKnox,
I hope with all my heart that you have doubt. ( I'm not sure I agree with this) I trust you will listen and not need a personal experience.
Jesus Christ won't enter your body unless you invite Him in.(and that by HEARING the WORD)
This is not so for evil spirits.And all other spirits except Jesus Christ ( who also distributes the Holy Spirit) are extremely dangerous. Other spirits try to enter at the slightest chance and unless you call on the name of Jesus Christ you will be inhabited. Once inhabited I don;t know what can be done in human time or strength. I am talking paralysis mental illness, dribbling drooling and every conceivable malfunction imaginable. I have had a couple of experiences. One attempt to enter me happened just by reading 1 small book and about 30 pages of the second book of the Falung Gong. These beautifully presented books were selling very cheaply in an eastern book store I used to frequent to buy acupuncture books. Please I beg of you to stay away from books attached to spiritualism, except the Holy Bible and books on scripture. Even here ( deceptive books have gained disciples for twisted Christianity)
Don't meddle unless you have a calling, and be very sure about this. These issues are very real and very dangerous. I have seen one demonic book circulating off a table of literature within a Christian church.
Please stay away.
These books are very deceptive. Do we take Satan for a fool. Satan can deceive us especially if we feel we are wise enough to perceive for ourselves.
I am so scared of the power of the word in books that I would not dare to read any sentences from a book of Mormon. I just told them "No", that there would be spirits attached to it and I was scared.
Please be scared.

love
edwin.