THE RAPTURE/END OF DAYS

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Noah is a preflood gathering


Now, trying to make it something else is ridiculous.
 

CS1

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#62
CORRECT = Pray everyday for our loved ones

The 'ARK' is CHRIST - you are either in or your out - this has nothing to do with a falsehood of pre-trib rapture

As in the days of Noah so will the Coming of the Son of Man be...............you are either in CHRIST or your outside for His Coming wrath

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
1 Thess 1:10
1.) wait for HIS Coming
2.) the Resurrection
3.) deliverence from His wrath

look it is not falsehood you don't agree fine but it is not falsehood.
 

CS1

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Yes
Nobody saved outside Jesus.

Messianic Jews come in last.
It is even prophetically pictured at the first miracle of Jesus.

It depicts the Jews coming in last.

1st miracle
Jewish wedding
6 earthen vessels
Water into wine
Wine portrayed as a main ingredient. (Fruit harvest is last harvest).
The proclamation..."you saved the best for last"

No postrib teacher knows anything about that.

You should offer $1000 to anyone finding a postribber teacher knowing what i just showed you.
Lol

Or "easier" still....a posrtib Rapture teacher that has one verse, a single verse depicting a post-trib rapture. Offer a $1,000 reward showing that verse
i have to go now - will be back later = PEACE and THANK YOU for your Love and Fellowship in CHRIST
Born into religion yet lost in sin
Needing a Savior was told would Win
God was calling while life was so fun
His Love so drawing i began to run
Not away to go further astray
But gathering me near i lost all fear
Tears of Joy ran down my face
Now i was in Him and winning the Race
A stumble hear a stumble there
His Love did not falter it remains here
Now i am old longing for Home
Waiting for His Return coming to the Dome
Do not delay Time is running out
Give God the Glory Before the Angels Shout
Hurry, Hurry now get in the Ark
for the day draws near when All will grow Dark.
Run to Him now, make swift your flight,
for when that Day Comes He will be your LIGHT
AMEN[/QUOTE]
I am not subject to God's wrath which is going to be poured out on the earth. He will be taking HIS Bride as John 14 tell us.
 
Aug 2, 2021
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look it is not falsehood you don't agree fine but it is not falsehood.
i only say it's 'falsehood' because it never came from the Mouth of God

There never has and you never will find a 'pre-trib' rapture in Scripture

Our Fellowship in Christ is about knowing Him and His Word and walking in His words and not religion.

Love you and all that Christ has poured into you - pre-trib was placed in you by man - not Christ.

When you see in His Word that His Coming and the First Resurection is in Revelation chapters 19 -20, then you will know the Truth and it will set you free from the lie of pre-trib.

But you can read it and not see it because - like the children of Israel - the vail covers their minds

If you want Christ to remove the vail - HE will - but HE won't if you want to believe pre-trib and keep that in your heart

It is a choice - all Truth is a choice

i once believed the error of pre-trib until i chose to seek the Truth according to His Word - Scripture cannot lie
 
Jul 23, 2018
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i have to go now - will be back later = PEACE and THANK YOU for your Love and Fellowship in CHRIST
Born into religion yet lost in sin
Needing a Savior was told would Win
God was calling while life was so fun
His Love so drawing i began to run
Not away to go further astray
But gathering me near i lost all fear
Tears of Joy ran down my face
Now i was in Him and winning the Race
A stumble hear a stumble there
His Love did not falter it remains here
Now i am old longing for Home
Waiting for His Return coming to the Dome
Do not delay Time is running out
Give God the Glory Before the Angels Shout
Hurry, Hurry now get in the Ark
for the day draws near when All will grow Dark.
Run to Him now, make swift your flight,
for when that Day Comes He will be your LIGHT
AMEN
I am not subject to God's wrath which is going to be poured out on the earth. He will be taking HIS Bride as John 14 tell us.[/QUOTE]
Bro tree seems to believe in a mid trib rapture


( not sure. I can not decipher what his position is....but he tried to say a few days ago that noah was in " the great trib" before the flood....trying to illustrate that building the ark was the great trib and the flood was " wrath")
All the trib vs wrath lingo puts me on a different page.

I have to redefine terms.
"Trib"
"Wrath"
 
Jul 23, 2018
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i only say it's 'falsehood' because it never came from the Mouth of God

There never has and you never will find a 'pre-trib' rapture in Scripture

Our Fellowship in Christ is about knowing Him and His Word and walking in His words and not religion.

Love you and all that Christ has poured into you - pre-trib was placed in you by man - not Christ.

When you see in His Word that His Coming and the First Resurection is in Revelation chapters 19 -20, then you will know the Truth and it will set you free from the lie of pre-trib.

But you can read it and not see it because - like the children of Israel - the vail covers their minds

If you want Christ to remove the vail - HE will - but HE won't if you want to believe pre-trib and keep that in your heart
most pretrib rapture verses come from the very mouth of Jesus.

Since you pretend they don't makes no difference.

They aren't Going away
 
Aug 2, 2021
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most pretrib rapture verses come from the very mouth of Jesus.

Since you pretend they don't makes no difference.

They aren't Going away
and yet nobody can even find one in the Gospels or the Letters or Revelation

SOAK this IN = When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:

“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”

13Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

14And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 

p_rehbein

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It begins with a glorious entry of the false Christ complete with a crown ,a fake Jesus on a white horse. His glorious entry will kick-off the Great Tribulation and he begins taking over nations ( "goes forth conquering), and then killing believers which is his main goal.
Yeah, I'm going with what Jesus stated:

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The beginning of sorrows is the beginning of the Tribulations
 

CS1

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#71
i only say it's 'falsehood' because it never came from the Mouth of God

There never has and you never will find a 'pre-trib' rapture in Scripture

Our Fellowship in Christ is about knowing Him and His Word and walking in His words and not religion.

Love you and all that Christ has poured into you - pre-trib was placed in you by man - not Christ.

When you see in His Word that His Coming and the First Resurection is in Revelation chapters 19 -20, then you will know the Truth and it will set you free from the lie of pre-trib.

But you can read it and not see it because - like the children of Israel - the vail covers their minds

If you want Christ to remove the vail - HE will - but HE won't if you want to believe pre-trib and keep that in your heart

It is a choice - all Truth is a choice

i once believed the error of pre-trib until I chose to seek the Truth according to His Word - Scripture cannot lie
and the word of God is not from HIS Mouth either then I guess you are suggesting God told you in a different way other than HIS word?
 
Aug 2, 2021
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and the word of God is not from HIS Mouth either then I guess you are suggesting God told you in a different way other than HIS word?
Nope - if i did that i would be just like those proclaiming something that HE did not say.

Listen - YOU and me - together we are IN the ARK - we rejoice in this TRUTH Together - no matter what comes - we are IN

Let God's words fill your mind: When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them;
and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

There is a completion date set forth by the FATHER = It's called HIS COMING = 1 Thess 4:13-18, Matt 24, 1 Cor 15:23, Rev 19-20, 1Thess 3:13, 1 Thess 1:10, Acts 1:1-11, Matthew 23:37-39

There is so much more - it is everywhere

Another Brother who i know, that came from pre-trib, said to me - "it was like the light was turned on and before i could not see what was right in front of me all the time - i was just taught to see pre-trib"
 

CS1

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Nope - if i did that i would be just like those proclaiming something that HE did not say.

Listen - YOU and me - together we are IN the ARK - we rejoice in this TRUTH Together - no matter what comes - we are IN

Let God's words fill your mind: When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them;
and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

There is a completion date set forth by the FATHER = It's called HIS COMING = 1 Thess 4:13-18, Matt 24, 1 Cor 15:23, Rev 19-20, 1Thess 3:13, 1 Thess 1:10, Acts 1:1-11, Matthew 23:37-39

There is so much more - it is everywhere

Another Brother who i know, that came from pre-trib, said to me - "it was like the light was turned on and before I could not see what was right in front of me all the time - I was just taught to see pre-trib"
That is true I can clearly die before the Rapture happens so we are to be ready every day :). I have passed from death unto life. and I am not subject to The Wrath of God on the Earth because of His judgment. I live in Califonia God is judging America and California, yetI am protected. But this is not the great tribulation when that happens if I am here You will be right. If I am not the first rounds on you in heaven. :)
 

Nehemiah6

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most pretrib rapture verses come from the very mouth of Jesus.
Correct. One could start with John 14:1-3 and then see how many times Christ told Christians to be ready since no one knows the day nor the hour of His coming. Thus the Rapture is imminent, meaning it could happen today. Those verses would only apply to the Rapture, since His Second Coming will be preceded by cataclysmic cosmic events.
 
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That is true I can clearly die before the Rapture happens so we are to be ready every day :). I have passed from death unto life. and I am not subject to The Wrath of God on the Earth because of His judgment. I live in Califonia God is judging America and California, yetI am protected. But this is not the great tribulation when that happens if I am here You will be right. If I am not the first rounds on you in heaven. :)
And i am Blessed to have met you, and all on here, and know that you have the genuine Love of Christ inside you -
Thank You for the fellowship

PEACE - i have to go now
 
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That is true I can clearly die before the Rapture happens so we are to be ready every day :). I have passed from death unto life. and I am not subject to The Wrath of God on the Earth because of His judgment. I live in Califonia God is judging America and California, yetI am protected. But this is not the great tribulation when that happens if I am here You will be right. If I am not the first rounds on you in heaven. :)
a song for us now, during our tribulations and as we wait for His Coming

 
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and yet nobody can even find one in the Gospels or the Letters or Revelation

SOAK this IN = When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:

“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”

13Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

14And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
We post them

You ignore them.
Fantasy land
 

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#78
It says nothing as to when they are resurrected.

But in the setting you are reading there in Revelation 20 is after Satan is defeated and chained and the Antichrist is defeated so you have the first resurrection a day after Jesus comes back.

Nope nope nope
 

BroTan

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It says nothing as to when they are resurrected.

But in the setting you are reading there in Revelation 20 is after Satan is defeated and chained and the Antichrist is defeated so you have the first resurrection a day after Jesus comes back.

Nope nope nope

The First resurrection is a one time event right after the Great tribulation and not before. At the seventh trump. I'm not sure what you don't understand. You have to learn and put the pieces together. Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

BroTan

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All that you stated is excellent - this will occur in accordance with 1 Thess 4:13-17 and not against it.

All the Scripture is in Harmony with ITSELF.

God gives added insight along the way - His will be done as HE desires at His Coming according as HE has spoken

After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.
They were looking intently into the sky as He was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky?
This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”
I Agree, I just put it in a chronological order and took the rapture name off and put the Biblical term first resurrection.