The Rapture Is here:]

[Bistabuster]

duh...okay (not)

This is not for you. Please stop harassing me.

Thank you.

 

[Bistabuster]

Have you got any scripture the devil is bound NOW and in a bottomless pit, changed with a key, bound, and sealed, and shut up NOW? And not walking about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

Have you got any scripture that the mark of the beast and his image as past already?

Have you got any scripture to show the nations are not being deserved still? Because he can’t deceive the nations again till the 1000 years is finished.

Have you got any scripture that we and jesus are ruling with a rod of iron and have power over the nations broken to shivers, even as Jesus was broken to shivers.?

Have you got any scripture to say you have got your penny already?

Have you got any scripture saying you have kept his work to the end already?

Just wondering

If I told you, would you believe me?

 

[Wyclif]

[h=2]I'm saved and I'm still here. [/h]

 

[Markum1972]

1 Rapture
2 AC revealed
3 AC rises to political and military power
4 People of the Earth say, oh my God they were right, and many get saved and many are killed mostly by beheading.
5 Many starve to death because they refuse the mark. Cannot buy or sell without the mark, not to mention the famine.
6 The AC breaks his treaty and wars against Israel. He all most hgas them defeated but.
7 News from the east, causes Him to take his army else where. Israel regroups at petra which is in Jordan.
8 The AC comes back to finish the job and almost takes Israel.
9 Jesus returns and the saints with Him and destroys the AC and his army using the elements.
10 Jesus sets up His reign and rules with raptured saints ruling with Him. The living saints are still in flesh bodies Satan is thrown in the pit and there is no temptation or death.
11 Satan is released from the pit after 1,000 years and convinces many to war against Jesus and His rule.
12 Satan Is defeated and thrown in the lake of fire and every person that has ever lived will be judged and after that we don't know.

Checks and balances...

2 Thessalonians 2
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Blain, truth is your a false prophet. You need to take some accountability here for leading your sheep to the slaughter. Are you going to continue to push this false prophecy forward week after week with no accountability? I'm waiting Blain it's been 2 more weeks since I've written you.

 

[RickyZ]

Blain is a good man and strong in the spirit, and I know in his heart he would never knowingly lead his sheep to slaughter. But as a young Christian I believe he should spend more time learning and less leading. Tho, as one who has been where he is, I can understand needing the outlet and experience to hone his gift. I think this is an excellent place for it. Now, I don't agree with the premise of his thread, but I don't doubt that somewhere in there there's a word from God looking for a way out of an imperfect vessel.

 

[GRA]

Can any post tribber answer my question. Where do the people come from that Jesus reigns over for a thousand years, here on this earth?

I believe the answer to your question is: the 144,000

 

[Bookends]

[SUP]Proverbs 10

24 [/SUP]The fear of the wicked will come upon him,
And the desire of the righteous will be granted.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]When the whirlwind passes by, the wicked is no more,
But the righteous has an everlasting foundation.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]The fear of the Lord prolongs days,
But the years of the wicked will be shortened.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]The righteous will never be removed,
But the wicked will not inhabit the earth.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

If there is no rapture “being caught up”, how are you going to meet the lord in the air in the clouds?

How are you going to stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark?

And how are you going to be before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple AFTER coming out of great tribulation?


you are defiantly not going to get there by jumping up


1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Rv7:13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

My main reply was to the quote that 'the Rapture is here'. There is no Rapture at the moment as Jesus is not on the cloud this moment and busy taking His saved ones. The term 'Secret Rapture' is also used widely in the churches that is totally a no-no, for every eye shall see His coming. I believe that the 'saved ones' will be taken up onto the clouds when Jesus Christ comes.

 

[Wall]

Zone, I had to come back, In your post trib theology. I will ask the same question. Where are the people that Christ reigns over, But further more, do you read the bible for yourself or do you rely on these prophets.

MATTHEW 24 [36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. [37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, [39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then SHALL TWO BE IN THE FIELD; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. [43] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [44] Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. [45] Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? [46] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Christ reigns over the people found in scripture below. So where shall these people be taken to {one taken the other left}? The rapturist say they will be taken to heaven. No where will you find the people involved in the 1Cor.15 event flitting off to heaven. They are taken where scripture says they will be taken.

JEREMIAH 3 [13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the Lord thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the Lord. [14] Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION: [15] And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. [16] And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. [17] AT THAT TIME THEY SHALL CALL JERUSALEM THE THRONE OF THE LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

The WORD of God says we will be taken to Zion. To Jerusalem, for the 1000yr period of rest.

 

[Bistabuster]

The WORD of God says we will be taken to Zion. To Jerusalem, for the 1000yr period of rest.

Not really. But who am I to say. I will say this. If God has no intention of producing a 1000 year period, would you believe it? To me, I would. Of coarse, if you don't want to and you're absolutely sure there will be one, who am I to stop you. Even if it doesn't exist. One verse will not prove anything one way or the other. Building up a time frame takes many verses. The Bible is a big history book. Most prophecies will occur after the book was completed. Are you saying that no prophecy has occurred between the completion of the writing of the Bible until now? Between those dates nothing happened? Lot's of prophecy has happened! What if your 1000 year thing has happened somewhere between those two dates. Suppose it has happened already yet you insist it will happen later from now. Good luck on that one.

One thing is for sure and you can't disagree with this. One passage can be interpreted differently. I just showed you this one. The next question is, which one of us is right? It doesn't matter if I say I'm right and the same goes for you too. What is God's way? Does He want a 1000 year period as you suggest? Are you sure? If so, great! If not, then change! It's as simple as that! What if you're wrong. I was wrong and finally realized that wasn't part of the plan for very good reasons. Not because I said so.

 

[Wall]

Not really. But who am I to say. I will say this. If God has no intention of producing a 1000 year period, would you believe it? To me, I would.

Im all ears. I know what the Word says. What you say?

 

[TruthFromFrank]

MATTHEW 24 [36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. [37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, [39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then SHALL TWO BE IN THE FIELD; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. [43] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [44] Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. [45] Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? [46] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Christ reigns over the people found in scripture below. So where shall these people be taken to {one taken the other left}? The rapturist say they will be taken to heaven. No where will you find the people involved in the 1Cor.15 event flitting off to heaven. They are taken where scripture says they will be taken.

JEREMIAH 3 [13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the Lord thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the Lord. [14] Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION: [15] And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. [16] And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. [17] AT THAT TIME THEY SHALL CALL JERUSALEM THE THRONE OF THE LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

The WORD of God says we will be taken to Zion. To Jerusalem, for the 1000yr period of rest.

1. Jesus was resurrected by God and was made High Priest to sit on His right hand side.

1 Cor. 6:14 – “And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by His own power.”
Luke 24:51 - “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.”
Heb. 5:5 - “So also Christ glorified not himself to be made a high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.
1 Pet 3:22 - “Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
Heb. 2:16-17 – “For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

1. The New Jerusalem is being built in heaven.

Heb. 11:10,16 – “For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. – But now they desire a better country, that is, and heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for He hath prepared for them a city.”
John 14:3 – “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
Gal 4:26 – “But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”

1. Jesus received some of His deity back.

John 7:39 – “But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given: because that Jesus was not yet glorified.” It proves here that the Holy Spirit did not exist on earth and only when Jesus Christ was glorified, did He receive his omni-potency back to have the ability to be in heaven as our mediator whilst at the same time could be on this earth as the Holy Spirit.

1. God sends the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth to this earth to live in man.

Gal 4:6 – “And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Could this ‘Spirit of His Son’ be Jesus Christ in spirit, as the Holy Spirit in the world today?

1. Jesus will return to collect His flock i.e. the 144,000 plus the saved dead ones, visibly, and not a secret rapture.

Rev. 7:4 – “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
Rev. 1:7 - “Behold, he cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him.”
1 Thes. 4:16 – “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
Rev. 14:1 - “And I looked, and lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred and forty four thousand having his Fathers name written in their foreheads.

1. There are two groups that will be resurrected.

1 Thes. 4:16 - “For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.”
Rev. 20:6 - “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with Him a thousand years.”
Dan 12:2 – “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 5:28-29 – “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

1. Satan is then bound for 1000 years, the symbolic Sabbath, the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] thousand years after creation.

Rev. 20:2-3 – “And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”
2 Pet 3:8 – “But, beloved, be not ignorant of the one thing, that one day with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
Although nothing is said regarding Satan’s angels during the 1000 year period, it can be assumed that Satan’s angels as well as the unsaved living humans will still be on this earth and will be active in their evil doings for the 1000 year period. As the doors of probation have closed, there will be no chance for the unsaved humans to repent and be saved. It can also be assumed that God’s angels will be in heaven during this period as there will be no work for them on this earth.

1. The saved ones will judge the angels during the 1000-year period, in heaven.

1 Cor. 6:2-4 – “Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?”
Rev. 20:4 – “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” This confirms that Jesus Christ will not be on this earth for that 1000 year period. It therefore also means that there cannot be a peace plan on this earth during that 1000 year period. This also confirms that the resurrected saved ones will be with Jesus Christ.

1. After 1000 years Jerusalem comes down from heaven to earth.

Rev. 21:2 – “And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Rev. 21:10 – “And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.”
Heb. 12:22 – “But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the Living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels.”

10. God and Jesus will live with the people in the New Jerusalem.
Rev. 21:3 – “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.”
Zech. 8:3 – “Thus saith the Lord; I am retuned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.”

1. The dead unsaved ones will be resurrected.

Rev. 20:13 – “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast to the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

1. Satan plus the resurrected unsaved gather together for the march towards the New Jerusalem.

Rev. 20:7-9 – “And when the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, God and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”

1. Final destruction of Satan and his followers.

Rev. 20:14-15 – “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Please note that the death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
Zeph. 3:8 – “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.”
2 Pet 3:12 – “Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.” This is very similar to Noah’s case where the Ark (the saved ones inside) was floating on water and now the New Jerusalem (the saved ones inside) will be floating on the lava. In both cases the unsaved will be totally destroyed.

1. Earth will be recreated to a New Earth.

Rev 21:1 – “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

1. Counsel of peace between God and Jesus Christ, the high priest and Son of God.

Rev. 22:3 – “And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve Him.”
Zech 6:13 – “Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace between them both.” Please note the ‘both’ word at the end of the text which implicates that only two entities, God the Father and His son Jesus Christ, exists . There will be no other third party to the God-head on the New Earth.


On the New Earth there will be no more pain and suffering, no more fighting, stealing, raping etc. It will be a peaceful place with no more sin, and the saved ones will experience the beauty, peace and closeness of God and His Son Jesus Christ who will be living among them.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

The 'Rapture' is not here and there will be no 'Secret Rapture' in the future.

 

[notuptome]

The 'Rapture' is not here and there will be no 'Secret Rapture' in the future.

Well I'm still here so you are right the rapture has not occurred yet. The rapture is no secret to the body of Christ. The world will not see it because they cannot. 1 Cor 2:9-16


For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Bistabuster]

Well I'm still here so you are right the rapture has not occurred yet. The rapture is no secret to the body of Christ. The world will not see it because they cannot. 1 Cor 2:9-16


For the cause of Christ
Roger

Are you saying that when we get raptured, the non believers will not see it happen? If so, where does your reference say that?

 

[Bistabuster]

1. Jesus was resurrected by God and was made High Priest to sit on His right hand side.

1 Cor. 6:14 – “And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by His own power.”
Luke 24:51 - “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.”
Heb. 5:5 - “So also Christ glorified not himself to be made a high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.
1 Pet 3:22 - “Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
Heb. 2:16-17 – “For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

1. The New Jerusalem is being built in heaven.

Heb. 11:10,16 – “For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. – But now they desire a better country, that is, and heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for He hath prepared for them a city.”
John 14:3 – “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
Gal 4:26 – “But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”

1. Jesus received some of His deity back.

John 7:39 – “But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given: because that Jesus was not yet glorified.” It proves here that the Holy Spirit did not exist on earth and only when Jesus Christ was glorified, did He receive his omni-potency back to have the ability to be in heaven as our mediator whilst at the same time could be on this earth as the Holy Spirit.

1. God sends the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth to this earth to live in man.

Gal 4:6 – “And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Could this ‘Spirit of His Son’ be Jesus Christ in spirit, as the Holy Spirit in the world today?

1. Jesus will return to collect His flock i.e. the 144,000 plus the saved dead ones, visibly, and not a secret rapture.

Rev. 7:4 – “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
Rev. 1:7 - “Behold, he cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him.”
1 Thes. 4:16 – “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
Rev. 14:1 - “And I looked, and lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred and forty four thousand having his Fathers name written in their foreheads.

1. There are two groups that will be resurrected.

1 Thes. 4:16 - “For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.”
Rev. 20:6 - “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with Him a thousand years.”
Dan 12:2 – “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 5:28-29 – “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

1. Satan is then bound for 1000 years, the symbolic Sabbath, the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] thousand years after creation.

Rev. 20:2-3 – “And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”
2 Pet 3:8 – “But, beloved, be not ignorant of the one thing, that one day with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
Although nothing is said regarding Satan’s angels during the 1000 year period, it can be assumed that Satan’s angels as well as the unsaved living humans will still be on this earth and will be active in their evil doings for the 1000 year period. As the doors of probation have closed, there will be no chance for the unsaved humans to repent and be saved. It can also be assumed that God’s angels will be in heaven during this period as there will be no work for them on this earth.

1. The saved ones will judge the angels during the 1000-year period, in heaven.

1 Cor. 6:2-4 – “Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?”
Rev. 20:4 – “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” This confirms that Jesus Christ will not be on this earth for that 1000 year period. It therefore also means that there cannot be a peace plan on this earth during that 1000 year period. This also confirms that the resurrected saved ones will be with Jesus Christ.

1. After 1000 years Jerusalem comes down from heaven to earth.

Rev. 21:2 – “And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Rev. 21:10 – “And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.”
Heb. 12:22 – “But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the Living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels.”

10. God and Jesus will live with the people in the New Jerusalem.
Rev. 21:3 – “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.”
Zech. 8:3 – “Thus saith the Lord; I am retuned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.”

1. The dead unsaved ones will be resurrected.

Rev. 20:13 – “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast to the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

1. Satan plus the resurrected unsaved gather together for the march towards the New Jerusalem.

Rev. 20:7-9 – “And when the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, God and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”

1. Final destruction of Satan and his followers.

Rev. 20:14-15 – “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Please note that the death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
Zeph. 3:8 – “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.”
2 Pet 3:12 – “Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.” This is very similar to Noah’s case where the Ark (the saved ones inside) was floating on water and now the New Jerusalem (the saved ones inside) will be floating on the lava. In both cases the unsaved will be totally destroyed.

1. Earth will be recreated to a New Earth.

Rev 21:1 – “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

1. Counsel of peace between God and Jesus Christ, the high priest and Son of God.

Rev. 22:3 – “And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve Him.”
Zech 6:13 – “Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace between them both.” Please note the ‘both’ word at the end of the text which implicates that only two entities, God the Father and His son Jesus Christ, exists . There will be no other third party to the God-head on the New Earth.


On the New Earth there will be no more pain and suffering, no more fighting, stealing, raping etc. It will be a peaceful place with no more sin, and the saved ones will experience the beauty, peace and closeness of God and His Son Jesus Christ who will be living among them.

What if I were to say I disagree with you. What if I were to say your explanation of the prophesies are not of God? Are you still open minded enough to look at other possibilities?

Hint. I used to believe in pretty much everything you said but you know what? I left myself open for one reason only. None of that futuristic stuff can be proven. Not even guaranteed.

 

[notuptome]

Are you saying that when we get raptured, the non believers will not see it happen? If so, where does your reference say that?

Christ is coming in the clouds and we will see Him but we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye. The unsaved will not be looking for Christ and we will be out of here so fast they will have no explanation for it. Acts 1:9-11 Now did the unsaved see Christ ascend into the clouds? 1 Cor 15:51-52 and of course 1 Thess 4:16-17
The whole world will see Christ when He returns to Jerusalem and sets foot on the earth but I cannot say that they will see Him when He comes for the church. Just a thought...

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Bistabuster]

Christ is coming in the clouds and we will see Him but we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye. The unsaved will not be looking for Christ and we will be out of here so fast they will have no explanation for it. Acts 1:9-11 Now did the unsaved see Christ ascend into the clouds? 1 Cor 15:51-52 and of course 1 Thess 4:16-17
The whole world will see Christ when He returns to Jerusalem and sets foot on the earth but I cannot say that they will see Him when He comes for the church. Just a thought...

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Really.

I know that. So, you say that Jesus comes in the clouds and we meet him in the air at the sound of a trumpet. I agree with that. In fact, I believe that. Just one question. Who is mourning when the Son of man comes?

 

[mwc68]

There is NO rapture in the Bible.

"Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lordin the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:17

This is the same word used in Acts 28:15

"And the brothers there, when they heard about us, came as far as the Forum of Appius and Three Taverns to meet us. On seeing them, Paul thanked God and took courage."

They met Paul and then they all returned together to Rome. This word is only used in a few places in the Bible. It ALWAYS means meet and return. In other sources that are contemporary with the Bible, it means to go out and greet a returning conqueror and return with him.

The word 'rapture" is not found in the Bible, but only in a bad translation by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate.

I don't understand how people can make a doctrine based on a word that is not in the Bible and has no evidence to support it. One scripture does not make a doctrine. And as for all the other ones that people use, like Rev. 20, the only place in the Bible the word "millennium" is used, and obscure Scriptures, some of which referred to the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 AD, it is just bad exegesis.

Jesus will return for his people. But no one knows the day or the hour. Eschatology today is a best a guess, and at worst an attempt to control and manipulate people that "the End is nigh!"

If the end, comes, our only hope is to be walking with Christ, and to be doing his will. All this speculation just degrades the cause of Christ. Preach Jesus, and him crucified, and you will in God's will and promoting the gospel.

Jesus will not return until the gospel is preached to "all the world" Matt. 24:14

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

Perhaps the people proclaiming the rapture should instead become missionaries to the unreached peoples and then Jesus will come sooner. Because that has been the purpose of the church since Jesus returned to heaven. To preach the gospel to all the earth. Not to formulate doctrines which are Scripturally unsound and do not proclaim the gospel!!

I agree with this! It seems there is a BIG industry pushing this rapture theory to sell books, CDs, DVDs etc. Preach the Gospel, not the end