The Rapture is Imminent!

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Linda70

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The Rapture is Imminent!

The coming of the Lord Jesus for His Church is presented in the New Testament as an imminent hope and expectancy. That the coming of Christ is "imminent" simply means that our Lord may come at any time. Nothing needs to happen before He comes. No prophecy needs to be fulfilled before He comes. It may be today! Such an expectation is well supported by an abundance of Scriptural testimony:

1. (John 14:3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
2. (Rom. 13:11) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
3. (1 Cor. 1:7) So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
4. (1 Cor. 11:26) For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till He come.
5. (1 Cor. 15:51-52) Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
6. (1 Cor. 16:22) If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema [.] Maranatha ["Our Lord cometh!"].
7. (Phil. 3:20) For our conversation [citizenship] is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.
8. (Phil. 4:5) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
9. (Col. 3:4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.
10. (1 Thess. 1:10) And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
11. (1 Thess. 4:17) Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
12. (Titus 2:13) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
13. (Heb. 9:28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
14. (Heb. 10:25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
15. (James 5:8) Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
16. (1 John 2:28; 3:3) And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming….And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as He is pure.
17. (Jude 21) Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
18. (Rev. 22:20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (cf. Rev. 3:11; 22:7,12).

As the above passages indicate, believers are to be constantly waiting for and looking for and expecting His coming and His appearing. We are to look for and eagerly await the glorious appearing of our Great God, even our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ (Tit. 2:14). It is interesting that we are not told to be looking for the man of sin (the Antichrist) to be revealed. We are not told to be looking for the 144,000 Jews who will be sealed by God during the time of Daniel's 70th week. We are not told to be looking for "the abomination of desolation" to be set up in Jerusalem. We are told to be looking for Christ Himself.

None of the Tribulation events will take place prior to the removal of the Church; otherwise the Rapture would not be imminent. If the Rapture were not to take place until sometime during the last 3½ years (as the *Pre-Wrath Rapture view teaches), then this would destroy the doctrine of the imminent return of Christ. We would know that before the Rapture could take place, the treaty (covenant) would need to be made with Israel at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week (Dan. 9:27) and "the abomination of desolation" would need to be set up at the middle of Daniel's 70th week (Matt. 24:15). We would look for these events to happen before we could even begin to expect Christ to come for His Church.

Was Paul looking for the imminent return of Christ? Paul expected that Christ would come for him because he considered himself part of the group that would be alive on earth at the time of the Rapture. Notice that Paul includes himself by using the personal pronoun WE--"WE which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [precede] them which are asleep….Then WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air…" (1 Thess. 4:15,17). Of course we now know that Paul was not part of that group of believers living at the time of the Rapture. Instead he was part of the "dead in Christ" group mentioned in verse 16 (also described as "them who are asleep"--verse 15). But because of his belief in the imminent return of Christ, Paul believed he might be found among the believers living on earth at the time of the Lord's coming for His Church.

Notice also Paul's use of the pronoun "we" in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, "Behold, I show you a mystery; WE shall not all sleep, but WE shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE shall be changed." Notice that Church Age believers are divided into two groups: (1) the dead that shall be raised and (2) those alive at Christ's coming who will not sleep (who will not die physically) but who will be changed. Paul believed he might be part of this second group, although we now know that Paul was actually part of the first group. Paul, living in the first century, expected that he might be among the generation of believers who would not see physical death. How much more ought we to have this blessed expectation!

* I would also include the Post-tribulation rapture doctrine as destroying the doctrine of the imminent return of Christ
 
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John_S

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The Pre-Trib Rapture is NOT near because it will NOT be happening. That doctrine is a manmade deception that will allow the antichrist to begin his reign on Earth unnoticed.
 
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Are you saying that the man of lawlessness has been revealed (2Th 2:8),

which must occur before there can be a rapture (2Th 2:1, 3)?
 
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1still_waters

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So could the seven year treaty happen 1000s of years after the rapture?
 
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My bible tells me there are specific events tied to the body presence of Christ and us being gathered unto him.....they have not happened yet...Jesus will come when it is time for him to come!
 
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Are you saying that the man of lawlessness has been revealed (2Th 2:8),

which must occur before there can be a rapture (2Th 2:1, 3)?
I agree and will say....Not to mention numerous other events tied unto the body presence of Christ and our gathering together unto him which must take place first.
 
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Linda I agree, nothing needs to happen before the Lord returns. The church has fallen away and the man of sin has been revealed.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The church has totally abandoned the word of God and are making it up as they go.... that by the way is what the man of sin does. He exalts himself above all that is called God and he himself sits in the temple of shewing himself that he is God.

The temple of God is the human body and the heart is the throne. Only 2 people can possibly sit on that throne, God or yourself.
 

JesusLives

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[h=3]Matthew 24:14[/h]Amplified Bible (AMP)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

Not everyone has heard the good news yet and made their decision, but the gospel is being spread as we speak and I pray that Jesus will come and I want to do my part in helping the gospel spread.

I also don't believe in a rapture as is taught, but I believe in a second coming of Jesus that every eye will see Him with trumpets blowing and the shout of the arch angel.
 
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Hoffco

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I agree and will say....Not to mention numerous other events tied unto the body presence of Christ and our gathering together unto him which must take place first.
I agree, and with Elin, the "man of sin" must be revealed first. As the world scene is now, I think, the signing/,resigning, ? of the peace treaty, which sets the stage for Jesus' coming, rapture, could be within 4 yrs, from today. The "man of sin" is a peace maker at first, then, after the rapture, Satan enters into him to makes him the antichrist. Love to all, Hoffco
 

breno785au

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Linda I agree, nothing needs to happen before the Lord returns. The church has fallen away and the man of sin has been revealed.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The church has totally abandoned the word of God and are making it up as they go.... that by the way is what the man of sin does. He exalts himself above all that is called God and he himself sits in the temple of shewing himself that he is God.

The temple of God is the human body and the heart is the throne. Only 2 people can possibly sit on that throne, God or yourself.
The church has totally abandoned the word of God? What an insult to everyone on this website. That statement would also include yourself unless your not part of the church.
 
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I agree, and with Elin, the "man of sin" must be revealed first. As the world scene is now, I think, the signing/,resigning, ? of the peace treaty, which sets the stage for Jesus' coming, rapture, could be within 4 yrs, from today. The "man of sin" is a peace maker at first, then, after the rapture, Satan enters into him to makes him the antichrist. Love to all, Hoffco
I have a different take on the 7 year period and is as follows...
Israel just turned 66 about a month and a half ago...they get the 70 years that they lost in Babylonian captivity...Daniel 12 gives the time that is left....

70 minus 66 years 1 month and a half =3 years 10 months and a half

Daniel 12 gives 1335 days with a blessing pronounced upon all who make it to the day 1290
Great tribulation period is 42 months or 1260 days
1335 - 1290 = 45
1290 - 1260 =30

30 days of peace
1260 days of tribulation
45 days of wrath

3 years 10.5 months - 1335 days = about 2 months before it begins to unravel or less!

The destructions of the nations as found in the woes and burdens if Isaiah and Jeremiah occur late summer to fall with the destruction of the (DAUGHTER OF) Babylon the (HINDERMOST OF THE NATIONS) occurring during the time frame when the SOUR GRAPES ARE RIPENING!

This is based upon the fact that most miss the fact that just short of the first half of the 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled during the personal ministry of Jesus!
 

Kittycatt

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I'm not sure what bible your reading OP, but the word is very clear on the series of events that will occur before christs return and that his church will have to endure to the end (unless they have sacrificed their lives by refusing the mark)
Please seek god, and read the word. It's only through him and the spirit that eyes and hearts can be opened to all truth. Don't listen to man. Xxxxx
 
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I'm not sure what bible your reading OP, but the word is very clear on the series of events that will occur before christs return and that his church will have to endure to the end (unless they have sacrificed their lives by refusing the mark)
Please seek god, and read the word. It's only through him and the spirit that eyes and hearts can be opened to all truth. Don't listen to man. Xxxxx
Good reply and I agree.....!
 
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So what's supposed to happen next?
 

watcher2013

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The Rapture is Imminent!

The coming of the Lord Jesus for His Church is presented in the New Testament as an imminent hope and expectancy. That the coming of Christ is "imminent" simply means that our Lord may come at any time. Nothing needs to happen before He comes. No prophecy needs to be fulfilled before He comes. It may be today! Such an expectation is well supported by an abundance of Scriptural testimony:

1. (John 14:3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
2. (Rom. 13:11) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
3. (1 Cor. 1:7) So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
4. (1 Cor. 11:26) For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till He come.
5. (1 Cor. 15:51-52) Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
6. (1 Cor. 16:22) If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema [.] Maranatha ["Our Lord cometh!"].
7. (Phil. 3:20) For our conversation [citizenship] is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.
8. (Phil. 4:5) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
9. (Col. 3:4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.
10. (1 Thess. 1:10) And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
11. (1 Thess. 4:17) Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
12. (Titus 2:13) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
13. (Heb. 9:28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
14. (Heb. 10:25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
15. (James 5:8) Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
16. (1 John 2:28; 3:3) And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming….And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as He is pure.
17. (Jude 21) Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
18. (Rev. 22:20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (cf. Rev. 3:11; 22:7,12).

As the above passages indicate, believers are to be constantly waiting for and looking for and expecting His coming and His appearing. We are to look for and eagerly await the glorious appearing of our Great God, even our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ (Tit. 2:14). It is interesting that we are not told to be looking for the man of sin (the Antichrist) to be revealed. We are not told to be looking for the 144,000 Jews who will be sealed by God during the time of Daniel's 70th week. We are not told to be looking for "the abomination of desolation" to be set up in Jerusalem. We are told to be looking for Christ Himself.

None of the Tribulation events will take place prior to the removal of the Church; otherwise the Rapture would not be imminent. If the Rapture were not to take place until sometime during the last 3½ years (as the *Pre-Wrath Rapture view teaches), then this would destroy the doctrine of the imminent return of Christ. We would know that before the Rapture could take place, the treaty (covenant) would need to be made with Israel at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week (Dan. 9:27) and "the abomination of desolation" would need to be set up at the middle of Daniel's 70th week (Matt. 24:15). We would look for these events to happen before we could even begin to expect Christ to come for His Church.

Was Paul looking for the imminent return of Christ? Paul expected that Christ would come for him because he considered himself part of the group that would be alive on earth at the time of the Rapture. Notice that Paul includes himself by using the personal pronoun WE--"WE which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [precede] them which are asleep….Then WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air…" (1 Thess. 4:15,17). Of course we now know that Paul was not part of that group of believers living at the time of the Rapture. Instead he was part of the "dead in Christ" group mentioned in verse 16 (also described as "them who are asleep"--verse 15). But because of his belief in the imminent return of Christ, Paul believed he might be found among the believers living on earth at the time of the Lord's coming for His Church.

Notice also Paul's use of the pronoun "we" in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, "Behold, I show you a mystery; WE shall not all sleep, but WE shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE shall be changed." Notice that Church Age believers are divided into two groups: (1) the dead that shall be raised and (2) those alive at Christ's coming who will not sleep (who will not die physically) but who will be changed. Paul believed he might be part of this second group, although we now know that Paul was actually part of the first group. Paul, living in the first century, expected that he might be among the generation of believers who would not see physical death. How much more ought we to have this blessed expectation!

* I would also include the Post-tribulation rapture doctrine as destroying the doctrine of the imminent return of Christ
the OP is referred to this video
[video=youtube;_X8JMEKlprg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8JMEKlprg[/video]

will this change your view? if not, what is wrong with the video?
 
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Noooooooooooo....the "Rapture" is Imminent? But I wanted to exercise my free will and take a holiday rest in the Bahamas tomorrow!
How dare God violate MY FREE WILL! Christ's coming is going to violate my free will!

Arrrgghhhh!

Not fair. I thought I had free will?!
 
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Linda70

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So could the seven year treaty happen 1000s of years after the rapture?
Absolutely not! Your answer is found in Daniel 9:24-27

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This prophecy describes God's timetable for restoring Israel and overthrowing the Gentile powers.. God's timetable is not thousands of years. The Hebrew term for weeks in this passage is (shebuah) which simply means "sevens." The context determines whether it is a week of days, or of years, etc. The weeks which have already been fulfilled demonstrate that these are weeks of years rather than of days. God's timetable is 490 years...therefore it would make God a liar to say a "covenant"/peace treaty will be signed thousands of years after the rapture.
 
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Linda70

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Noooooooooooo....the "Rapture" is Imminent? But I wanted to exercise my free will and take a holiday rest in the Bahamas tomorrow!
How dare God violate MY FREE WILL! Christ's coming is going to violate my free will!

Arrrgghhhh!

Not fair. I thought I had free will?!
I don't know if you are joking here....but it seems that you are not "ready" and "looking for His coming". Who are you to tell God that He will violate your "free will" if He returns FOR His Church "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" (1 Cor. 15:51-52)?