That's pretty silly, especially consider one of the verses I quoted says that the gathering of the saints happens 'after the tribulation of those days' in a passage about the great tribulation.
I am not defying any of that. Honestly, you come off as rather obnoxious with your declarations and accusations. And you know who the accuser of the brethren is, don't you. Why don't you be a bit more humble and personable about just having a Bible discussion where we can learn. It makes me wonder if the reason you resort to this kind of rhetoric could be insecurity because you do not feel that confident in your position.
If you can spin some verses to fit into the pre-trib scenario, that does not mean that they are actually pretrib. My approach is to show passages of scripture that associate the rapture/gathering with a certain point in time. That then serves as a basis for how we interpret other verses. Pre-tribbers typically filter passages through a pre-trib lens-- thinking of how they work through their pretrib theory, without considering other alternatives.
I am not defying passages in Revelation. If you want to be persuasive, you should at least quote the verses you think are pre-trib, and explain how you fit that into the pre-trib theory. Then we can talk about how that is legit.
Your argument that Jesus returning with His saints disproves prosttrib seems particularly foolish since post-trib since you are arguing the idea that the saints are raptured, meet the Lord with the air, and then return with him.
Is there even a church in Sardis/ Sart now? I mean a congregation, not ruins.
You think those and our others are to be swept off the table to be rejected in favor of your single verse in mat that MUST BE REFITTED to promote a belief that is simply pulled from thin air.
You can NOT possibly read all my verses and conclude what you do.
It is erroneous,impossible,and is PROVEN HANDS DOWN to be false
That is WHY the postrib doctrine NEVER,EVER incorporates the heart of heaven......THE BRIDE /GROOM compon
That is WHY postrib rapture doctrine is 90% anti pretrib,the rest is a lifelong 1000 page OT scrambled non issue thesis,or mat 24 rearranged belief system.
Rev 14 read it and ask why you defy 1 thes 4
I am not defying any of that. Honestly, you come off as rather obnoxious with your declarations and accusations. And you know who the accuser of the brethren is, don't you. Why don't you be a bit more humble and personable about just having a Bible discussion where we can learn. It makes me wonder if the reason you resort to this kind of rhetoric could be insecurity because you do not feel that confident in your position.
If you can spin some verses to fit into the pre-trib scenario, that does not mean that they are actually pretrib. My approach is to show passages of scripture that associate the rapture/gathering with a certain point in time. That then serves as a basis for how we interpret other verses. Pre-tribbers typically filter passages through a pre-trib lens-- thinking of how they work through their pretrib theory, without considering other alternatives.
I am not defying passages in Revelation. If you want to be persuasive, you should at least quote the verses you think are pre-trib, and explain how you fit that into the pre-trib theory. Then we can talk about how that is legit.
Your argument that Jesus returning with His saints disproves prosttrib seems particularly foolish since post-trib since you are arguing the idea that the saints are raptured, meet the Lord with the air, and then return with him.
Is there even a church in Sardis/ Sart now? I mean a congregation, not ruins.
You think those and our others are to be swept off the table to be rejected in favor of your single verse in mat that MUST BE REFITTED to promote a belief that is simply pulled from thin air.
You can NOT possibly read all my verses and conclude what you do.
It is erroneous,impossible,and is PROVEN HANDS DOWN to be false
That is WHY the postrib doctrine NEVER,EVER incorporates the heart of heaven......THE BRIDE /GROOM compon
That is WHY postrib rapture doctrine is 90% anti pretrib,the rest is a lifelong 1000 page OT scrambled non issue thesis,or mat 24 rearranged belief system.
Rev 14 read it and ask why you defy 1 thes 4
Question for you. Since God saved Noah from the world wide flood, Lot and his family warned to leave from His wrath to fall on S&G, and etc, why would our Heavenly Father who is perfect, leave His faithful children with the degenerate sinners to b punished during the GT?