The Rapture
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The gathering of the church (rapture) = The Lord descends from heaven and the dead in Christ rise first. Immediately following that, the living in Christ are transformed into their immortal and glorified bodies. This event must take place prior to the first seal being opened and that because it initiates the wrath of God, which believers are not appointed to suffer.
The Second Coming = The Lord's return to the earth at the end of the seven years to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.
Two separate events.
By the way, you confuse arrogance for confidence. I am confident in the truth of God's word and therefore contend, correct and rebuke for the truth of His word.
The Second Coming = The Lord's return to the earth at the end of the seven years to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.
Two separate events.
By the way, you confuse arrogance for confidence. I am confident in the truth of God's word and therefore contend, correct and rebuke for the truth of His word.
It's the symbolic language that trips people up... but that shouldn't be a problem because God has given the gift of tongues to some parts of the body. People with the gift of tongues recognize the spritual language and let ONE (God) interpret.
The problem is that the people who don't have that gift REFUSE to listen to the interpretation that God gave the tongues speaker.
The problem is that the people who don't have that gift REFUSE to listen to the interpretation that God gave the tongues speaker.
God has a plan. Who are we to second guess it? All I'm doing is calling it the way I see it. I have no agenda. Israel escaped war from their return from Babylon to Antiochus, a period of about 372 years of peace. That's longer than the USA has been a nation
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I personally think we are nearing the end of our age. The times are as the days of Noah/Lot. Sin is considered a virtue and a virtue is considered sin. But, I do not expect a future rapture and the end may not come in my life time.
.I personally think we are nearing the end of our age. The times are as the days of Noah/Lot. Sin is considered a virtue and a virtue is considered sin. But, I do not expect a future rapture and the end may not come in my life time.
They are so stuck in their views. I notice they all have one thing in common, their total and complete reliance on the lies they've been taught and absolute ZERO willingness to concede even on the smallest of things when proven they are wrong. They totally ignore all the flaws in their views and all the passages of instruction and go immediately to the 10 virgins and the wedding.
Anyway, glad you said this and not me.
Anyway, glad you said this and not me
.israel not the light of the world happen away before AD 70
israel crucified Jesus happen in AD 33 that demonstrate that he is not the light of the world. How the light the world kill Jesus.
How about the verse said immediately after tribulation/AD 70 the sign of the Son of Man appear in heaven and Son of man coming in the cloud
is that happen in AD70?
israel crucified Jesus happen in AD 33 that demonstrate that he is not the light of the world. How the light the world kill Jesus.
How about the verse said immediately after tribulation/AD 70 the sign of the Son of Man appear in heaven and Son of man coming in the cloud
is that happen in AD70?
Correct, the sun and moon went dark BEFORE the day of the Lord in AD 70
The light of the world is God's message to the world. That was entrusted to Israel for a long time but there came a time when the light was taken from them. The Gentiles shine God's light in the world today, not the Jews.
I don't know what the sign of the Son of man is and I don't know when it appeared. It could be this:
Luke 11:30 KJV
For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
Maybe it was the ascension of Christ into the clouds... I'm not sure.
The light of the world is God's message to the world. That was entrusted to Israel for a long time but there came a time when the light was taken from them. The Gentiles shine God's light in the world today, not the Jews.
I don't know what the sign of the Son of man is and I don't know when it appeared. It could be this:
Luke 11:30 KJV
For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
Maybe it was the ascension of Christ into the clouds... I'm not sure.
They are so stuck in their views. I notice they all have one thing in common, their total and complete reliance on the lies they've been taught and absolute ZERO willingness to concede even on the smallest of things when proven they are wrong. They totally ignore all the flaws in their views and all the passages of instruction and go immediately to the 10 virgins and the wedding.
Anyway, glad you said this and not me.
Anyway, glad you said this and not me
.The sun and moon darkening is figurative language meaning pending divine judgment wrath is about to begin. We have 3 other instances in the OT of this same symbolism. I submit just one star falling from heaven to earth would destroy the planet. Multiple stars falling 4 different times would be overkill, don't you think. So, we better come up with a different solution. These things were signs.
The GT began on Passover, 9 Av (Apr 10) in AD 70. This was the day Titus arrived and locked down the city causing unimaginable death and conditions inside. The siege lasted 5 months (April, May, June, July, August). Immediately following these 5 months, Titus broke through and destroyed the temple and city.
The knowledgeable saints fled to Pella as Jesus instructed in Luke 21, "when they saw the armies." This was the Woman who fled to the wilderness to her prepared place. 1.1 million Jews died during the war with Rome. Only 98,000 survived.
The parousia (presence) of Christ and God appeared to execute their wrath on wicked Jerusalem thus breaking Bonds and Beauty. The covenant He had made with those people was broken on that day. The new covenant Christ established for all who would believe in Him. The whole world then entered the Church or Messianic Age which is where we are today.
The GT began on Passover, 9 Av (Apr 10) in AD 70. This was the day Titus arrived and locked down the city causing unimaginable death and conditions inside. The siege lasted 5 months (April, May, June, July, August). Immediately following these 5 months, Titus broke through and destroyed the temple and city.
The knowledgeable saints fled to Pella as Jesus instructed in Luke 21, "when they saw the armies." This was the Woman who fled to the wilderness to her prepared place. 1.1 million Jews died during the war with Rome. Only 98,000 survived.
The parousia (presence) of Christ and God appeared to execute their wrath on wicked Jerusalem thus breaking Bonds and Beauty. The covenant He had made with those people was broken on that day. The new covenant Christ established for all who would believe in Him. The whole world then entered the Church or Messianic Age which is where we are today.
I see Israel coming under attack from a power to the north led by Gog but made up mostly of Muslim nations, their historic brothers and enemies. They surround Jerusalem. God then wipes them out. This has to happen in the physical world because if happened to spiritual saints, who cares if we are surrounded, we can't be harmed in the spiritual world.
I believe there is a resurrection of the wicked and sentencing at the GWT of Judgment. This is only for them.
I believe there is a resurrection of the wicked and sentencing at the GWT of Judgment. This is only for them.