The Rapture

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abcdef

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Preterist has become the emptiest wagon of em all
Poor pre trib, can't give a real answer.

Because the iron tells it all, but go ahead, roll over and go to sleep,

The bridegroom is coming, I hope the pre tribs have enough oil.
 
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heartofdavid

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abcd The 1st resurrection divided into 4 parts is not taught in the prophecies. There are no verses that make the connection. Another pre trib twisting of scriptures.[/QUOTE said:
Again, firstfruits.

That is the key.

Firstfruits
It is not there simply to ignore and gloss over.

It totally kills your deal
 
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heartofdavid

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Poor pre trib, can't give a real answer.

Because the iron tells it all, but go ahead, roll over and go to sleep,

The bridegroom is coming, I hope the pre tribs have enough oil.
Amen oil separates.

But ironically history kills the historicist deal.
There is nothing supporting a mark or other items of judgement in the gt as having already happened.

Abstract allagory is your only friend
 
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heartofdavid

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Hi Deade,

1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

Paul is specific. Jesus is the first resurrection. The next one is, those at His coming.

Then it is the end, death is destroyed, then the kingdom is delivered up to the Father for the wedding.

When the Rev is showing a resurrection (resur.), it is either the 1st, or 2nd resurrection.

Those who are seen in heaven with Jesus in 96 ad, are from the 1st resur.. with Jesus. Eph 4:8-10

Those who live and reign with Jesus are from the 1st resur., they are the OT saints.

The 2nd resur. is yet to come.




I am post trib. and I believe in a coming resurrection, one more, last resurrection.

I use the word rapture, so that people will have a concept identity with what I am saying.

There are 2 resurrections, the 2nd, will happen just before the fire from heaven.

It will happen exactly as it says at the 7th trumpet, Jerusalem will fall to the kings of the east (200 mill, 6th trump),

Then 3 1/2 days later, the resurrection when Jesus comes for the kingdom, and we are "caught up" with Him (rapture).

But then it is the end. No more resur's..




The Rev is not one consecutive time line. It is telling the same story several times over. The story is of Israel and the Satan Roman beast, generally, from the rejection of the gospel kingdom until this planet ends.
Why the postrib rapture adherence?
There are no verses indicating such.
 
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heartofdavid

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Hi N6,

I'm don't believe that you have a good scriptural reason to divide the 1st resurrection into 3 parts. (some say 4).

Jesus compared the resurrection to the harvest, but didn't divide it into parts when His parables were told.

What verse connects the first, one resurrection of Jesus, that divides it into 3 parts?

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The righteous dead and the unrighteous rise in which resurrection? I didn't quite get that.
1 thes 4
Then the resurrection at the end of the millennium.

Neither is Jesus resurrection.

3 total is incorrect

Jesus is firstfruits of first resurrection

Two total
 
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abcdef

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Then the resurrection at the end of the millennium.

Neither is Jesus resurrection.

3 total is incorrect

Jesus is firstfruits of first resurrection

Two total

Again Brother Popeye Heart of David,

You are afraid to give too much detail and prove your point with scripture.

If you would stop and listen and study, you might learn the truth that Jesus will be here when Jerusalem falls, any time now.

You and everybody, have a chance to know what is coming, Jesus is coming, and the rapt/resur is about to happen.

Maybe months or a few years away.

Don't you get it?

When Jerusalem falls this time, to the kings of the east, Iran, That's it. The 7th trumpet will blow and we will be with Jesus.
And you and I might live to be caught up with him.
 

Endoscopy

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Since the rapture is part of esceschatol that mesns there are mulmultiple Biblical views of it. You can argue and sprewtify and not know wherein!!! My mother was a nurse and a doctor would get angry and say that. It fits very well in this discussion.
 

DiscipleDave

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Historically those who have made pronouncements like you are making have been proven false.
And what pronouncements that i have made that you think is false. Or are you merely accusing just to be accusing?

At 73 I have seen this more than a few times.
And it is evident you are looking forward to that happening to me as well. Good luck with that, it won't.

You are in the company of Jim Jones.
Ironic, it seems you know more about Jim Jones and what he taught and what he did, more than i do. When you first mentioned Jim Jones, i seriously had no clue who you were talking about. i don't watch the news never have, never do, to depressing. Since you know all about Jim Jones please enlighten me.

He convinced a group of people to go with him to Guyana. There in the end he gave a new meaning to drinking kool-aid.
How did he convince them to go with him, what did he teach, why Guyana? What meaning of kool-aid?

He made pronouncements like you make about being given messages from God.
Just because satan talks to people and say he is God, does not negate those who actually hear from God, now does it?

He ended up having all of his hfollowers drink poison laced kool-aid.
That is horrible. i thank Jesus Christ that i have 0 followers, and even though people in the past wanted to follow me where ever i went, i forbad them. i am not a leader, nor do i have any desire whatsoever to be one. i am a messenger from God. He told me many things what is going to happen in the future, how it is going to happen and in what order things are going to happen. He has told me to tell this generation those things that He told me to tell. That is what i do, Not a leader, not having a cult, not have a group of people around me. i teach you what He has told me, this i do, and it pleases Him.

Too many people have made pronouncements like you and all of them have been proven false.
You do error not knowing or understanding Scriptures. Many in the Bible have pronounced that God told them something, and they were not proven false, as you say in your above statement.

Therefore with my experience with those who talk like you I totally reject what you say.
What is that to me, if you don't believe God speaks to people like He has always done? Where in all of Scriptures does it teach that God stops speaking to people?

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.


What is it to me, if you believe God does NOT reveal His secrets to His servants the prophets? You see to that.

I believe you must have mental health problems
Totally understandable. In this generation if a person claims to have had conversations with God, well they must be mental right? They have to be right? Because God does not speak any more to anybody at all, right?
What is it to me if YOU, think i am mental. i know to whom i have spoken with, and that is God.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 

tanakh

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Deceived about what? Whether they are the False Profit or not does not change the facts that they are bringing a billion people to the feet of Satan.
Many Christians are being deceived by fixing their eyes on the wrong targets.
 

louis

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Many Christians are being deceived by fixing their eyes on the wrong targets.
An original definition for sin was an arrow missing its mark. People fixing their eyes on the wrong target is missing the mark (aka sin).
 
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heartofdavid

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Again Brother Popeye Heart of David,

You are afraid to give too much detail and prove your point with scripture.

If you would stop and listen and study, you might learn the truth that Jesus will be here when Jerusalem falls, any time now.

You and everybody, have a chance to know what is coming, Jesus is coming, and the rapt/resur is about to happen.

Maybe months or a few years away.

Don't you get it?

When Jerusalem falls this time, to the kings of the east, Iran, That's it. The 7th trumpet will blow and we will be with Jesus.
And you and I might live to be caught up with him.
Is Jesus first fruits ?
 
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heartofdavid

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Hi everyone,

When Christ comes back the very next time, He will encircle the earth while the asleep in Christ will rise and join Him. Then those that are alive will be changed into incorruptible spirits to join Him. Jesus said that no man has ascended to heaven. John 3:13: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

Don't give me a reference to the transfiguration when Jesus appeared with Moses and Elijah. This is an example of a vision. But a vision is just a vision, we should not draw doctrine from them. A vision is an exception to what is literal. All the patriarchs in Hebrews 11 are still waiting to get to heaven. I remind you this was written after the cross. No, Hebrews 12 doesn't prove anyone in heaven.

Everyone says that we will have glorified bodies, after our resurrection. I don't agree, we will be spirit. John said: John 4:24: “God is spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.” and in 1 John 3:2: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is." Sounds like we will be spirits too.

Yours,

Deade
^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^
 

Ahwatukee

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Rapture?

Adding to revelations big time. Why should Gods people be spared?
Greetings LightLoveHope,

The answer as to why God's people should be spared, is because it is the direct wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments that will be unleashed on a Christ rejecting world and to fulfill the last seven years of the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem.

Believers in Christ have been credited with the righteousness of Christ and have been reconciled to God. Therefore, the wrath of God no longer rests upon those who are in Christ. Since what is coming is the direct wrath of God, then the church must be gathered prior to the beginning of God's wrath which is the opening of the first seal.

Furthermore, the gathering of the church (rapture) is not adding to Revelation and that because Rev.4:1-2 is a prophetic allusion to that event and which why the word "Ekklesia" translated as "church" is never seen from that time forward. The next time we see the word "church" is in Rev.22:16 which is outside of the narrative of God's wrath.
 
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I just started to study the rapture and the tribulation few days ago. I came across what every Christian is debating about. I alone believe in the mid tribulation rapture. I just want to get your view on this if you are pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib rapture believer. THANKS AND GOD BLESS

Three major things happen at the coming of the Lord:


  1. First, the Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
  2. Second, the Rapture.
  3. Third, the destruction of the antichrist; the false messiah, the man of sin, the lawless one.
 

Endoscopy

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And what pronouncements that i have made that you think is false. Or are you merely accusing just to be accusing?



And it is evident you are looking forward to that happening to me as well. Good luck with that, it won't.



Ironic, it seems you know more about Jim Jones and what he taught and what he did, more than i do. When you first mentioned Jim Jones, i seriously had no clue who you were talking about. i don't watch the news never have, never do, to depressing. Since you know all about Jim Jones please enlighten me.



How did he convince them to go with him, what did he teach, why Guyana? What meaning of kool-aid?



Just because satan talks to people and say he is God, does not negate those who actually hear from God, now does it?



That is horrible. i thank Jesus Christ that i have 0 followers, and even though people in the past wanted to follow me where ever i went, i forbad them. i am not a leader, nor do i have any desire whatsoever to be one. i am a messenger from God. He told me many things what is going to happen in the future, how it is going to happen and in what order things are going to happen. He has told me to tell this generation those things that He told me to tell. That is what i do, Not a leader, not having a cult, not have a group of people around me. i teach you what He has told me, this i do, and it pleases Him.



You do error not knowing or understanding Scriptures. Many in the Bible have pronounced that God told them something, and they were not proven false, as you say in your above statement.



What is that to me, if you don't believe God speaks to people like He has always done? Where in all of Scriptures does it teach that God stops speaking to people?

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.


What is it to me, if you believe God does NOT reveal His secrets to His servants the prophets? You see to that.



Totally understandable. In this generation if a person claims to have had conversations with God, well they must be mental right? They have to be right? Because God does not speak any more to anybody at all, right?
What is it to me if YOU, think i am mental. i know to whom i have spoken with, and that is God.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
First like I keep telling others, keep it short if you want people to read it!! I didn't bother to go past the early part.

Jim Jones was a preacher that got people to believe he had a special message from God. He had the church he was preaching in so committed to him they followed him to Guyana. There he had a huge batch of kool-aid laced with poison made up and everyone drank it including himself. It took over a week to get the bodies out of there and then finally buried. His autopsy showed he had a terminal illness.

I reject you because of the fact that you think you know the end times. God sent an angel to tell you. You ignore and reject the 4 Biblical views of eschatology that theologians for centuries have worked on trying to discern which one if any is the one that is correct. Your attitude is "I'm right and the world is wrong!"