The Rapture

[VCO]

Daniel 12:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But you, Daniel, keep these words secret and seal the book
until the time of the end.
Many will roam about, and knowledge will increase.”



IT WAS INTENDED THAT ANY SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL NOW.

IT WAS NOT INTENDED THAT ANY SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL NOW.

 

[Muzungu256]

Daniel 12:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But you, Daniel, keep these words secret and seal the book
until the time of the end.
Many will roam about, and knowledge will increase.”



IT WAS INTENDED THAT ANY SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL NOW.

time of the end doesn't necessarily mean end of the universe....... see acts 2 where peter applies "In the last days" from joel to what happened 2000 years ago in pentecost and also the many times john peter paul all say they are in the last days, john even says it is the "last time"

 

[Muzungu256]

Those who fail to understand the importance of Literal Interpretation,

are wandering in the Twilight Zone, making up their own interpretations,

to any verse they choose to change the meaning to.

yes i have heard this alot however even you who claim to interpret things literally really dont, because revelation says those things will happen "soon" and is sent to the 7 churches in asia..............
i feel this is a false attack on amillennialists because dispensationalists like to interpret and make things up as well such as the 2000 year gap in dan9:27, two covenants, two kingdoms, 7 "church ages" instead of real churches, Jesus said one thing to the disciples and later on changed it up and gave paul the mystery of the rapture and don't forget the rightly dividing thing where nothing applies to the church not even the sermon on the mount!!!!!!!!!!!! now that is real twilight zone.............
i overstand this is the majority view in american christianity but please try to overstand that amillennialists are not doing away with any literal commandments of Jesus or anything, they just interpret the book of revelation differently thats all........ many great men of God were amill

 

[J7]

'eth qets - time of the end, as you point out Muzungu, means the end of the 70 weeks, i.e. the first Century AD.

 

[VCO]

I wish I could say that I have a complete understanding of Daniel 9:24-27, however I do not because every idea has some problems with it. Seventy sevens are determined to make an end of sin and bring in everlasting righteousness, and sixty nine sevens from the building of Jerusalem unto Messiah. That leaves one seven, and here is where the problems begin. And HE, (we are not told who the HE is) shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven. Note something important, the word says that he will confirm the covenant, NOT, he will make a covenant, this is very important because there is a huge difference between confirming the Jewish covenant that was already there, as opposed to making a covenant which amounts to making a new agreement with someone. So the HE(according to the bible) does not make a covenant with anyone, the HE confirms the Jewish covenant that is already there. In the middle of the seven HE shall cause the sacrifice to cease. We have two possibilities, the HE is Antichrist and stops the Jews from offering animal sacrifices. The HE is Jesus and stops the Jews from offering animal sacrifices. Jesus did bring an end to animal sacrifice. Also since Jesus brought an end to animal sacrifice how could it be brought back for the Antichrist to stop?

Yes, they are weeks of years, so the middle of the week is 3.5 Years. The He is the prince (Ruler - the Antichrist) of the revived Roman Empire, prophecied in Daniel's explaining the Nebuchadnezzar's dream where the Statue represented World Empires, in Daniel Chapter 2. The feet and toes were made of Iron mixed with Clay representing a Revival of the Iron Empire with several Rulers of Countries involved, making them weaker than the original Roman Empire. The Best sermon series on that Dream that Daniel explained is "The Rise and Fall of the World" with 3 one hour sermons by Dr. John MacArthur in that Series: https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/27-07/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-world-part-1 We may be seeing in the rise of the Revived Empire in the European Union. Covenants were also what PEACE TREATIES were called in Bible times.

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”


Daniel 9:27 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."


Daniel 9:27 (NRSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator."


Daniel 9:27 (NCV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That leader will make firm an agreement with many people for seven years. He will stop the offerings and sacrifices after three and one-half years. A destroyer will do terrible things until the ordered end comes to the destroyed city.“


There is a sampling of Translations that do not use the word CONFIRM. I currently have 14 versions of the Bible open in my WORDsearch 10 program, and only the KJV, NKJV, NIV, and GWT use the word CONFIRM. It is NOT talking about GOD's Covenant with ISRAEL. It is talking about a Peace Treaty between Israel and her Enemies orchestrated by the Antichrist, the ruler of the Revived Roman Empire.


Here is a link to a sermon on the subject, by Dr. John MacArthur:

https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/27-26/israels-future-part-3

 

[J7]

A very strange assumption.

Especially given that Daniel has already referred to the Covenant:

4 I prayed to the Lord my God and made confession, saying,
“Ah, Lord, great and awesome God, keeping covenant and steadfast love with those who love you and keep your commandments

Perhaps if I bookend my name,

Dr J7, PH.D, Th.M

you'll open your ears

 

[VCO]

'eth qets - time of the end, as you point out Muzungu, means the end of the 70 weeks, i.e. the first Century AD.

Time of the END does not mean the end of the 70 weeks, but rather the ENTIRE 70th WEEK. It refers to the entire time period that the End Time Prophecies are happening, SPECIFICALLY the TIME PERIOD of Antichrist's Rule; and his activity that literally starts WWIII. Number one rule is to READ the entire context.


Daniel 11:35-45 (HCSB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] Some of the wise will fall so that they may be refined, purified, and cleansed until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] “Then the king will do whatever he wants. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will say outrageous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, because what has been decreed will be accomplished.
[SUP]37 [/SUP] He will not show regard for the gods of his fathers, the god longed for by women, or for any other god, because he will magnify himself above all. *
[SUP]38 [/SUP] Instead, he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know—with gold, silver, precious stones, and riches.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] He will deal with the strongest fortresses with ⌊the help of⌋ a foreign god. He will greatly honor those who acknowledge him, making them rulers over many and distributing land as a reward.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] “At the time of the end, the king of the South will engage him in battle, but the king of the North will storm against him with chariots, horsemen, and many ships. He will invade countries and sweep through them like a flood.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] He will also invade the beautiful land, and many will fall. But these will escape from his power: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of the Ammonites.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] He will extend his power against the countries, and not even the land of Egypt will escape.
[SUP]43 [/SUP] He will get control over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the riches of Egypt. The Libyans and Cushites will also be in submission.
[SUP]44 [/SUP] But reports from the east and the north will terrify him, and he will go out with great fury to annihilate and completely destroy many.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] He will pitch his royal tents between the sea and the beautiful holy mountain, but he will meet his end with no one to help him.


*2 Thessalonians 2:4-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you know what currently restrains ⌊him⌋, so that he will be revealed in his time.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.

 

[J7]

The conventional understanding of Daniel 11 which you quote is that it is about Herod, who was a total megalomaniac.

 

[VCO]

time of the end doesn't necessarily mean end of the universe....... see acts 2 where peter applies "In the last days" from joel to what happened 2000 years ago in pentecost and also the many times john peter paul all say they are in the last days, john even says it is the "last time"

Time of the End refers to Antichrist's reign and the 70 week of Daniel.

Last Days can refer to the entire Church Age.

 

[VCO]

The conventional understanding of Daniel 11 which you quote is that it is about Herod, who was a total megalomaniac.

Who are you talking to? ? ? It certainly cannot be me, because I know better than to think it is about Herod.

 

[VCO]

A very strange assumption.

Especially given that Daniel has already referred to the Covenant:

4 I prayed to the Lord my God and made confession, saying,
“Ah, Lord, great and awesome God, keeping covenant and steadfast love with those who love you and keep your commandments

Perhaps if I bookend my name,

Dr J7, PH.D, Th.M

you'll open your ears

LIKE I SAID, the word Covenant was frequently used to refer to Peace Treaties too.

9:27 This is clearly the end of the age, the Second Advent judgment, because the bringing in of righteousness did not occur 7 years after the death of the Messiah, nor did the destruction of Jerusalem fit the 7 year period (occurring 37 years later). This is the future 7 year period which ends with sin's final judgment and Christ's reign of righteousness; i.e., the return of Christ and the establishment of His rule. These 7 years constitute the 70th week of Daniel.he will make a firm covenant. "He" is the last-mentioned prince (v. 26), leader of the Roman sphere (cf. chaps. 2 and 7), the Antichrist who comes in the latter days. The time is in the future tribulation period of "one week," i.e., the final 7 years of v. 24. He confirms (lit., causes to prevail) a 7 year covenant, his own pact with Israel for what will turn out actually to be for a shorter time. The leader in this covenant is the "little horn" of 7:7, 8, 20, 21, 24-26, and the evil leader of NT prophecy (Mk 13:14; 2Th 2:3-10; Rev 13:1-10). That he is in the future, even after Christ's First Advent, is shown by 1) Mt 24:15; 2) by the time references that match (7:25; Rev 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5); and 3) by the end here extending to the Second Advent, matching the duration elsewhere mentioned in Daniel (2:35, 45; 7:15ff.; 12:1-3) and Rev 11:2; 12:14; 13:5.middle of the week. This is the halfway point of the 70th week of years, i.e., 7 years leading to Christ's second coming. The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel (v. 27a), which has resumed its ancient sacrificial system. Three and a half years of tribulation remain, agreeing with the time in other Scriptures (7:25; Rev 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5; called "great tribulation," cf. Mt 24:21) as God's wrath intensifies.abominations... one who makes desolate. The Antichrist will cause abomination against Jewish religion. This violation will desolate or ruin what Jews regard as sacred, namely their holy temple and the honoring of God's presence there (cf. 1Ki 9:3; 2Th 2:4). Jesus refers directly to this text in His Olivet discourse (Mt 24:15). See 11:31 [note].complete destruction. God permits this tribulation under the Antichrist's persecutions and ultimately triumphs, achieving judgment of the sin and sinners in Israel (12:7) and in the world (cf. Jer 25:31). This includes the Antichrist (11:45; Rev 19:20), and all who deserve judgment (9:24; Mt 13:41-43).
The MacArthur Study Bible.

9:27a. This verse unveils what will occur in the 70th seven years. This seven-year period will begin after the Rapture of the church (which will consummate God's program in this present Age). The 70th "seven" will continue till the return of Jesus Christ to the earth. Because Jesus said this will be a time of "great distress" (Matt. 24:21), this period is often called the Tribulation.A significant event that will mark the beginning of this seven-year period is the confirming of a covenant. This covenant will be made with many, that is, with Daniel's people, the nation Israel. "The ruler who will come" (Dan. 9:26) will be this covenant-maker, for that person is the antecedent of the word he in verse 27. As a yet-future ruler he will be the final head of the fourth empire (the little horn of the fourth beast, 7:8).
The covenant he will make will evidently be a peace covenant, in which he will guarantee Israel's safety in the land. This suggests that Israel will be in her land but will be unable to defend herself for she will have lost any support she may have had previously. Therefore she will need and welcome the peacemaking role of this head of the confederation of 10 European (Roman) nations. In offering this covenant, this ruler will pose as a prince of peace, and Israel will accept his authority. But then in the middle of that "seven," after three and one-half years, he will break the covenant. According to 11:45, he will then move from Europe into the land of Israel.
This ruler will end... sacrifice and offering. This expression refers to the entire Levitical system, which suggests that Israel will have restored that system in the first half of the 70th "seven." After this ruler gains worldwide political power, he will assume power in the religious realm as well and will cause the world to worship him (2 Thes. 2:4; Rev. 13:8). To receive such worship, he will terminate all organized religions. Posing as the world's rightful king and god and as Israel's prince of peace, he will then turn against Israel and become her destroyer and defiler.
9:27b. Daniel was told that "the ruler who will come" (v. 26) will place abominations on a wing of the temple. Christ referred to this incident: "You [will] see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). John wrote that the false prophet will set up an image to this ruler and that the world will be compelled to worship it (Rev. 13:14-15). But then his end will come (the end that is decreed is poured out on him). With his false prophet he will be cast into the lake of fire when Christ returns to the earth (Rev. 19:20; cf. Dan. 7:11, 26).
This covenant could not have been made or confirmed by Christ at His First Advent, as amillenarians teach, because: (a) His ministry did not last seven years, (b) His death did not stop sacrifices and offerings, (c) He did not set up "the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). Amillenarians suggest that Christ confirmed (in the sense of fulfilling) the Abrahamic Covenant but the Gospels give no indication He did that in His First Advent.
As stated, the Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel at the beginning of the second half of the 70th "seven," that is, it will be broken for three and one-half years. This is called "a time, times, and half a time" (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 12:14). The fact that this is the same as the three and one-half years, which in turn are equated with 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3; 12:6) and with 42 months (Rev. 11:2; 13:5), means that in Jewish reckoning each month has 30 days and each year 360 days. This confirms the 360-day Jewish year used in the calculations in the chart, "The 483 Years in the Jewish and Gregorian Calendars" (near Dan. 9:26a). Since the events in the 69 sevens (vv. 24-26) were fulfilled literally, the 70th "seven," yet unfulfilled, must likewise be fulfilled literally.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.

9:27 We now come to the seventieth week. As mentioned previously, there is a time gap between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. This parenthetical period is the Church Age, which extends from Pentecost to the Rapture. It is never mentioned specifically in the OT; it was a secret hidden in God from the foundation of the world but revealed by the apostles and prophets of the NT period. However, the principle of a gap is nicely illustrated by our Lord in the synagogue at Nazareth (Luke 4:18, 19). Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1, 2a but cut it short at "the acceptable year of the Lord" (His First Advent), and left off the judgment of His Second Advent: "and the day of vengeance of our God" (Isa. 61:2b). In between was to occur the whole Church Age.Then he (the Roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many (the unbelieving majority of the nation of Israel) for one week (the seven-year Tribulation Period). It may be a friendship treaty, a non-aggression treaty, or a guarantee of military assistance against any nation attacking Israel.
But in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. The Roman prince will turn hostile toward Israel, forbidding further sacrifices and offerings to Jehovah.
And on the wing of abominations. We learn from Matthew 24:15 that he will set up an abominable idolatrous image in the temple and presumably he will command that it be worshiped. Some think that wing here refers to a wing of the temple.
Shall be one who makes desolate. He will persecute and destroy those who refuse to worship the image.
Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate. Terrible persecution of the Jews will continue for the last half of the seventieth week, a period known as the Great Tribulation. Then the Roman prince, "the one who makes desolate," will himself be destroyed, as decreed by God, by being cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 19:20).

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

 

[J7]

Well I am glad you have established to your own satisfaction that you are right.

Personally I think v35 onwards refer to the Caesars, and the Emperor Cult.

Julius Caesar declared himself Supreme God.

 

[J7]

Show me 1 place in the Bible where Beriyth means anything other than a Covenant between God and Man please

 

[popeye]

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Lord,don't let me miss the rapture.....amen

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[Bookends]

IT PROVES THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST, because it means GOD WITH US.

Matthew 1:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] See, the virgin will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and they will name Him Immanuel, which is translated “God is with us.”

Yes, therefore the Church is God's bride, because the Church is part of true Israel along with other OT saints who didn't bow a knee to other gods. The OT earthy Israel as God's wife is type for the anti-type which the whole family of God.

 

[samuel23]

Yes, they are weeks of years, so the middle of the week is 3.5 Years. The He is the prince (Ruler - the Antichrist) of the revived Roman Empire, prophecied in Daniel's explaining the Nebuchadnezzar's dream where the Statue represented World Empires, in Daniel Chapter 2. The feet and toes were made of Iron mixed with Clay representing a Revival of the Iron Empire with several Rulers of Countries involved, making them weaker than the original Roman Empire. The Best sermon series on that Dream that Daniel explained is "The Rise and Fall of the World" with 3 one hour sermons by Dr. John MacArthur in that Series: https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/27-07/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-world-part-1 We may be seeing in the rise of the Revived Empire in the European Union. Covenants were also what PEACE TREATIES were called in Bible times.

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”


Daniel 9:27 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."


Daniel 9:27 (NRSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator."


Daniel 9:27 (NCV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That leader will make firm an agreement with many people for seven years. He will stop the offerings and sacrifices after three and one-half years. A destroyer will do terrible things until the ordered end comes to the destroyed city.“


There is a sampling of Translations that do not use the word CONFIRM. I currently have 14 versions of the Bible open in my WORDsearch 10 program, and only the KJV, NKJV, NIV, and GWT use the word CONFIRM. It is NOT talking about GOD's Covenant with ISRAEL. It is talking about a Peace Treaty between Israel and her Enemies orchestrated by the Antichrist, the ruler of the Revived Roman Empire.


Here is a link to a sermon on the subject, by Dr. John MacArthur:

https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/27-26/israels-future-part-3

This has been carefully checked and rechecked, the correct words are "he shall confirm the covenant with the many", there are many false teachers gone forth in our time and it is obvious that they are willing to stoop to actual lying about what is written in the bible in order to maintain their cherished belief. I have studied this over and over very carefully, it is he will confirm the covenant...liars have actually changed the bible in some translations in order to make their selves feel better...good luck with that approach.

 

[PlainWord]

wait a minute people just told me the rapture is a mystery only revealed to paul and now its in matthew 24? lol........... im not gonna lie there needs to be a lot of twisting and chopping to make this pretrib rapture fit..............

Especially when the GT was 1947 years ago.

 

[VCO]

yes i have heard this alot however even you who claim to interpret things literally really dont, because revelation says those things will happen "soon" and is sent to the 7 churches in asia..............
i feel this is a false attack on amillennialists because dispensationalists like to interpret and make things up as well such as the 2000 year gap in dan9:27, two covenants, two kingdoms, 7 "church ages" instead of real churches, Jesus said one thing to the disciples and later on changed it up and gave paul the mystery of the rapture and don't forget the rightly dividing thing where nothing applies to the church not even the sermon on the mount!!!!!!!!!!!! now that is real twilight zone.............
i overstand this is the majority view in american christianity but please try to overstand that amillennialists are not doing away with any literal commandments of Jesus or anything, they just interpret the book of revelation differently thats all........ many great men of God were amill

How many days has it been since the Crucifixion by GOD's time table?



2 Peter 3:8-9 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This covenant could not have been made or confirmed by Christ at His First Advent, as amillenarians teach, because: (a) His ministry did not last seven years, (b) His death did not stop sacrifices and offerings, (c) He did not set up "the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). Amillenarians suggest that Christ confirmed (in the sense of fulfilling) the Abrahamic Covenant but the Gospels give no indication He did that in His First Advent.
As stated, the Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel at the beginning of the second half of the 70th "seven," that is, it will be broken for three and one-half years. This is called "a time, times, and half a time" (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 12:14). The fact that this is the same as the three and one-half years, which in turn are equated with 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3; 12:6) and with 42 months (Rev. 11:2; 13:5), means that in Jewish reckoning each month has 30 days and each year 360 days. This confirms the 360-day Jewish year used in the calculations in the chart, "The 483 Years in the Jewish and Gregorian Calendars" (near Dan. 9:26a). Since the events in the 69 sevens (vv. 24-26) were fulfilled literally, the 70th "seven," yet unfulfilled, must likewise be fulfilled literally.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.

You still do not know exactly what we teach about the Churches. Having only half the information is what is confusing you, not our Historical Theological position. The Seven Churches WERE REAL CHURCHES in what is western Turkey today, and each had distinctly different characteristics, and would represent the types of Churches that would exist in every year of the Church-age. Throughout Church History there have been specific periods of time (ages) when one type of the Seven dominated (made up the Majority) in that period of time (age), even tho all Seven were present every year. HISTORICALLY those dominant types of Churches really happened and existed in the EXACT ORDER that John put the letters in chapters 2 and 3 in the book of Revelation. Unfortunately that puts us in this present day, quite a ways into the final dominant type of Church, which we call the Laodicean Age. Those Churches produce lukewarm Christians who think it is enough to have 3 dollars worth of God in an brown paper bag, stuffed deep in their pockets, where nobody can see it or tell they claim to be Christians. Those Church types can even define the types of Christians that exist. For the most part, whatever type the Pastor happens to be, so will the majority of his congregation be that same type. Unfortunately it is TV evangelism that has produced the majority of Laodicean types, who want the Church to entertain them, but never have time to SERVE HIM. You doubt that is true? Then next time your Pastor asks for Volunteers for a Work Day to help clean and fix up the CHURCH and Church grounds. BE SURE YOU VOLUNTEER, and then count the bodies that show up. In the 1800's and first half of 1900's, there would be almost a 100% of the Membership show up. Count the bodies and see what the percentage is now. The Majority are LUKE WARM, in most Churches today.

 

[VCO]

This has been carefully checked and rechecked, the correct words are "he shall confirm the covenant with the many", there are many false teachers gone forth in our time and it is obvious that they are willing to stoop to actual lying about what is written in the bible in order to maintain their cherished belief. I have studied this over and over very carefully, it is he will confirm the covenant...liars have actually changed the bible in some translations in order to make their selves feel better...good luck with that approach.

Sam, I have news for YOU, the KJV is NOT a Translation, it is a Paraphrase from earlier English translations with KNOWN ERRORS, and checking it against the LATIN Bible. They did NOT go back to the Original Languages and retranslate it. The Translators themselves admitted that, in their Original PREFACE of the 1611 KJV.


You really NEED to READ the Original Preface of the 1611 KJV, they admitted that they paraphrased lots of it from earlier English Versions. I think you will find you have put the KJV on WAY TOO HIGH OF A PEDISTAL. Here, I have pulled some excerpts out for you:

The Translators To The Reader

Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . .
. . .
But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . .
. . .
Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . .
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(and Saint Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . .
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There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . .
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And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . .
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Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . .
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to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . .
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Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest{ poorest } translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . .
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Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Taanslations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us.
{ The very same thing many KJO Believers want to do to MODERN Translations. }
For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . .
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But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . { That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }

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Yes, therefore the Church is God's bride, because the Church is part of true Israel along with other OT saints who didn't bow a knee to other gods. The OT earthy Israel as God's wife is type for the anti-type which the whole family of God.

Jesus did not say I will build my CHURCH,

He said, "I will build my ASSEMBLY." (LOOK IT UP.)

The very same thing HE called O.T. True Believers with the Faith of Abraham. (LOOK IT UP.)

We will become ONE FLOCK with ONE SHEPHERD at the RAPTURE.