The Real Antichrist For The End
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Satan, as all angels, have the image of 'man'.
I'm amazed at how so many brethren are easily duped by Satan's workers about the origin of the 'image of man'.
The image of man originates from GOD's Own Image in the Heavenly, as shown in Genesis 1:26-27. I mean, that's written in the very first Chapter of The Bible!
I'm amazed at how so many brethren are easily duped by Satan's workers about the origin of the 'image of man'.
The image of man originates from GOD's Own Image in the Heavenly, as shown in Genesis 1:26-27. I mean, that's written in the very first Chapter of The Bible!
You are speculating; I am not.
Of course Christ can... judge and sentence anyone to the future "lake of fire", but that of course is not what the subject is about.
The subject is about for today, PER GOD'S WRITTEN WORD, just who all... have ALREADY been judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire".
Satan and his angels only have. No flesh-born man has been judged to perish yet today. That Judgment is reserved for Jesus Christ at God's Great White Throne Judgement of Revelation 20. So anyone... claiming that Judgement of anyone born in the flesh to perish in the "lake of fire" has already happened, or is happening, have LEFT The Bible Scriptures.
Of course Christ can... judge and sentence anyone to the future "lake of fire", but that of course is not what the subject is about.
The subject is about for today, PER GOD'S WRITTEN WORD, just who all... have ALREADY been judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire".
Satan and his angels only have. No flesh-born man has been judged to perish yet today. That Judgment is reserved for Jesus Christ at God's Great White Throne Judgement of Revelation 20. So anyone... claiming that Judgement of anyone born in the flesh to perish in the "lake of fire" has already happened, or is happening, have LEFT The Bible Scriptures.
I believe in an "Any-Time Caught-up Together Event" of the church because that is what the Scriptures teach. I believe the "Caught Up Together Event" can happen before the Tribulation or Jacob’s trouble (Daniel’s 70th week), but I also hold that it can happen after the first seal is broken and the Antichrist is revealed on the world stage. In fact, there is a person who I think is a great contender for the antichrist currently. He seeks to change the laws. This is what this man is doing currently. He is of course for certain laws that are obviously evil to even many non-Christians. I am also not alone in saying that this man is the antichrist, either. There are other Christians who have openly stated this. Except, I prefer to play it safe and not say who he is openly to protect my mission of spreading the gospel, and God's word as long as I live. But just looking at the man is greatly disturbing, as well. If this man is the antichrist, we may have about 4-8 years left maybe before he comes onto the scene doing really bad stuff on a more grand scale. I believe we will have some grace here in America before this man starts to unleash his dark regime (if indeed he is THE antichrist). I hope this man is not the antichrist, and I hope the End Times is a lot farther ahead by 50 years. But, there is a part of me that screams that he is the one. I suppose we will just have to wait and let things play out.
Also, the Scriptures say that the antichrist will die in some kind of battle, but he will come back to life. But when he comes back, he will not even be human in his mind anymore. He will be completely demon-possessed in a living host of a human body. Then comes the false prophet who is a demon-possessed man. But the good news is that Jesus Christ will return and set things right.
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Also, the Scriptures say that the antichrist will die in some kind of battle, but he will come back to life. But when he comes back, he will not even be human in his mind anymore. He will be completely demon-possessed in a living host of a human body. Then comes the false prophet who is a demon-possessed man. But the good news is that Jesus Christ will return and set things right.
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We are living in dark times where even Christians hate their own Bible in what it says. Christians are called Bibliolaters today by other Christians. This is insane. Christians are supposed to have reverence for the Holy Scriptures and believe and obey what it says. Yet, others prefer to follow the what man says because he has some degrees attached to his name.
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Wrong. Jesus revealed it in Matthew 25:41 in The New Testament, and in Isaiah 30:33, and is also in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. That is ONLY about the devil and his angels having already been judged and sentenced to perish. NO FLESH-BORN MAN IS MENTIONED IN THOSE SCRIPTURES.
And you cannot... show me even ONE VERSE that says any flesh-born man has already been judged AND SENTENCED TO PERISH IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.
That is why it is you... that is doing the speculating, no doubt from some tradition of man that you picked up somewhere.
And you cannot... show me even ONE VERSE that says any flesh-born man has already been judged AND SENTENCED TO PERISH IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.
That is why it is you... that is doing the speculating, no doubt from some tradition of man that you picked up somewhere.
Revelation 13:1-3 (a)
Revelation 13:12-14
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"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed:..."
Revelation 13:12-14
"And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."
Revelation 17:8"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."
Revelation 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."
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The ten horned beast is an empire/government, and it's heads are mountains which simply means land that has risen out of water, so islands and continents etc. The land did not die and resurrect but was wounded from a sword which means war, and it healed not resurrected. Nothing there is about the AC dying and resurrecting.
Where is your Scripture proof that the "false prophet" of Rev.16 & 19 is a flesh-born human?
You obviously do not have the same Bible that I have (a KJV), for there is nowhere written in it that 'any' flesh-born man is judged to perish in the future lake of fire prior... to the time of Revelation 20:12-15 after Christ's future "thousand years" reign.
The "beast" and "false prophet" are ROLES that the "dragon" will play at the end. They are not flesh men, even though many try... to wrongly assign the "another beast" as being the "false prophet" when that idea is not written in Rev.13.
Thus you are wrongly ADDING to the Scriptures.
You obviously do not have the same Bible that I have (a KJV), for there is nowhere written in it that 'any' flesh-born man is judged to perish in the future lake of fire prior... to the time of Revelation 20:12-15 after Christ's future "thousand years" reign.
The "beast" and "false prophet" are ROLES that the "dragon" will play at the end. They are not flesh men, even though many try... to wrongly assign the "another beast" as being the "false prophet" when that idea is not written in Rev.13.
Thus you are wrongly ADDING to the Scriptures.
Davy, the beast (king) and the false prophet are two humans, two Jews. They will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's return. Diffently, at that time, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit.
Satan, during his final time, times, half time after being cast down to earth - will indwell the statue image of the beast king, placed on the temple mount. And thus be worshiped, unknowingly, by anyone who worships the image.
When Jesus returns to stand on the Mt of Olives directly across from the temple mount, He will stare down the statue image, that speaks and breathes, turning it to ashes. Exposing Satan there on the temple mount for everyone present to see him. And the angel in Revelation 20:1-3 descends with a chain, binds Satan, and he is cast into the bottomless pit.
Where I get the information about the statue image turned to ashes is from Ezekiel 28:16-19 which is about Satan's end as being a terror.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Here is a graphic I made of that day.
Satan, during his final time, times, half time after being cast down to earth - will indwell the statue image of the beast king, placed on the temple mount. And thus be worshiped, unknowingly, by anyone who worships the image.
When Jesus returns to stand on the Mt of Olives directly across from the temple mount, He will stare down the statue image, that speaks and breathes, turning it to ashes. Exposing Satan there on the temple mount for everyone present to see him. And the angel in Revelation 20:1-3 descends with a chain, binds Satan, and he is cast into the bottomless pit.
Where I get the information about the statue image turned to ashes is from Ezekiel 28:16-19 which is about Satan's end as being a terror.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Here is a graphic I made of that day.
Proving the Beast in Revelation Refers to a Person, Not a Nation:
To make the case that the beast in the referenced passages of Revelation refers to a person rather than a nation, you need to focus on the language, symbolism, and contextual clues in these verses. Below is a breakdown of the evidence:
1. Personal Characteristics of the Beast
The text attributes qualities and actions to the beast that are typically associated with an individual rather than a collective nation:
Revelation 13:1-3
Revelation 13:12-14
Revelation 17:8
Revelation 17:11
2. The Beast’s Direct Interaction with Humanity
The text describes the beast as directly engaging with and influencing humanity in ways that align more with a person’s actions than a nation’s:
Revelation 13:7-8
3. Scriptural Parallels to a Personal Antichrist
4. The Fate of the Beast:
Counterpoints to Address:
Conclusion:
The language in Revelation 13 and 17 overwhelmingly suggests that the beast is an individual person due to the personal characteristics, direct interaction with humanity, scriptural parallels to the Antichrist, and the beast's ultimate fate. While symbolic elements may apply to a larger system or empire, the primary focus of these passages centers on a charismatic and powerful individual who embodies rebellion against God.
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To make the case that the beast in the referenced passages of Revelation refers to a person rather than a nation, you need to focus on the language, symbolism, and contextual clues in these verses. Below is a breakdown of the evidence:
1. Personal Characteristics of the Beast
The text attributes qualities and actions to the beast that are typically associated with an individual rather than a collective nation:
Revelation 13:1-3
- "The beast I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth" (v. 2).
- The description could be symbolic of power, authority, or ferocity, but the emphasis on a single entity’s mouth and body suggests a singular being.
- "One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast" (v. 3).
- The phrase "mortal wound" implies an event that would affect an individual rather than a collective entity like a nation. Nations do not receive wounds in a personal sense, nor do they "heal" in the same dramatic and miraculous manner described here.
Revelation 13:12-14
- "It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed" (v. 12).
- The act of worship is more fitting for a charismatic individual who is exalted, idolized, and seen as a supernatural figure. Nations are rarely, if ever, worshipped in this direct way.
- "It deceives those who dwell on the earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived" (v. 14).
- The creation of an image (an idol) to honor the beast again aligns with reverence for an individual who is personally idolized.
Revelation 17:8
- "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction."
- The language describing the beast’s existence, non-existence, and subsequent resurrection mirrors the life cycle of a singular being rather than a nation. Nations do not literally "die" and "rise again."
- The use of "go to destruction" (often associated with eternal damnation) is consistent with the fate of a personal entity (e.g., the Antichrist) rather than an abstract or collective nation.
Revelation 17:11
- "The beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction."
- The phrase "it belongs to the seven" could indicate continuity or identity within a group but still emphasizes the singular nature of the beast.
- The personal reference to "destruction" ties to the individual judgment described in Revelation 19:20, where the beast (along with the false prophet) is thrown alive into the lake of fire.
2. The Beast’s Direct Interaction with Humanity
The text describes the beast as directly engaging with and influencing humanity in ways that align more with a person’s actions than a nation’s:
Revelation 13:7-8
- "It was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation."
- While a nation could theoretically wage war, the authority over "every tribe, people, language, and nation" suggests an individual leader with personal dominion.
- Nations often represent collective governance, but this verse portrays the beast as the singular source of authority.
3. Scriptural Parallels to a Personal Antichrist
- The New Testament consistently speaks of a singular Antichrist figure who aligns with the description of the beast:
- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 speaks of "the man of sin" who exalts himself and claims to be God.
- Daniel 7:8, 24-25 describes a "little horn" (interpreted as a person) who speaks great things against God and persecutes the saints.
4. The Fate of the Beast:
- Revelation 19:20:
- "The beast was captured, and with it the false prophet... These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire."
- This explicit personal judgment and eternal punishment align with an individual’s destiny, not the dissolution of a nation.
Counterpoints to Address:
- Symbolic Interpretations of the Beast as a Nation:
- While the beast could represent an empire or system in some aspects (e.g., Revelation 13:1 describes multiple heads and horns), the singular focus on its actions, identity, and judgment suggests the ultimate fulfillment is in a person.
- Dual Representation:
- It is possible that the beast represents both an empire and its leader, with the leader embodying the attributes and actions described in these verses. This is consistent with historical patterns where rulers are identified with their kingdoms (e.g., Nebuchadnezzar as Babylon in Daniel 4).
Conclusion:
The language in Revelation 13 and 17 overwhelmingly suggests that the beast is an individual person due to the personal characteristics, direct interaction with humanity, scriptural parallels to the Antichrist, and the beast's ultimate fate. While symbolic elements may apply to a larger system or empire, the primary focus of these passages centers on a charismatic and powerful individual who embodies rebellion against God.
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Furthermore, people are more susceptible to being deceived by a charismatic individual than by a nation as a whole. A public speaker or figurehead can tap into emotions, manipulate perceptions, and captivate audiences through personal charisma and rhetoric, leading to widespread adoration or worship. This aligns with the Antichrist as a person, described as someone who deceives humanity through miraculous signs and commands the worship of his image (Revelation 13:12-14). Nations, by contrast, do not possess this personal, emotional appeal, making them less likely to inspire the same level of devoted allegiance (even though people can be deceived by governments). If a government deceives its people and they come to realize the harm inflicted upon them by their own nation, any sense of loyalty to that government will likely be abandoned (Unless they have been brainwashed by their own government). Also, the idea of bowing down to a nation in worship seems strange. The text makes it sound like this is the worship of an individual, and not a nation. As far as I know, people do not bow down in worship to countries. Usually it is a leader who they may worship.
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Correct.
The beast coming out of the sea is the kingdom of the beast-king, the mortally wounded but healed head.
The beast king (stage 5 on my chart below) is the final stage of the person who becomes the Antichrist (stage 3 on my chart below). The stages of the person are in blue. Starting as the little horn, then as the prince who shall come, then as the Antichrist, then as the revealed man of sin, then as the beast-king.
The beast coming out of the sea is the kingdom of the beast-king, the mortally wounded but healed head.
The beast king (stage 5 on my chart below) is the final stage of the person who becomes the Antichrist (stage 3 on my chart below). The stages of the person are in blue. Starting as the little horn, then as the prince who shall come, then as the Antichrist, then as the revealed man of sin, then as the beast-king.