The Real Antichrist For The End

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douggg

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What verse do you base your statement that the Antichrist "will be anointed king of Israel" on?
The kings and priests in the old testament were anointed by oil poured on their head.

Saul and David were anointed by the prophet Samuel
Solomon was anointed by the prophet Nathan

The Jews (Judaism) thus believe that the messiah will be anointed the king of Israel by a known prophet.

The Jews also believe that Elijah will come to be a part of preparing for the messianic age. As a custom, Jewish families set a plate for Elijah at their passover family meals.

The false prophet in Revelation 13, does a miracle of calling fire down from heaven, something Elijah did in his battle with the prophets of Baal.

So, it is likely that the Jews will at first mistake the false prophet of Revelation as being Elijah come a second time around. Elijah actually anointed a king and a prophet in 1Kings 19:16.

The false prophet of Revelation 13, thus, at the beginning of the 7 years will anoint the Antichrist person with oil as part of the cerimony of making him the king of Israel. Later, about 3 years into the 7 years, both will show themselves to be a false prophet and a false messiah.
 

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The first has universal application to everyone. Anyone receiving praise from other men in order to make a name for themselves is walking in the spirit of ungodliness.
I think you disrupted the flow of the debate.

These passages are talking about Israel and the AC. Whom they will receive.

Israel in their blindness rejected their King aka "The Truth", and will receive the AC aka "the lie".
 
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I think you disrupted the flow of the debate.

These passages are talking about Israel and the AC. Whom they will receive.

Israel in their blindness rejected their King aka "The Truth", and will receive the AC aka "the lie".
The point of my comment was that that verse is not a specific prediction of the AC. It's a spiritual principle that will eventually culminate in the AC. For that matter, the other 2 verses don't specifically apply either
 

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That the person has to be a Jew is that as the Antichrist, he will be anointed the King of Israel, thought to be messiah by the Jews. "Anti" the prefix meaning against and instead of - Christ, Jesus the rightful King of Israel.
The word "anti" is a prefix derived from Greek, meaning "against" or "opposite to." It is commonly used in English to convey opposition, resistance, or an opposing force to something. Here are a few examples of its usage:
  1. Opposition to something:
    • Antibiotic (against life, specifically bacteria)
    • Antiwar (against war)
  2. Counteracting or preventing:
    • Antidote (a remedy to counteract a poison)
    • Antifreeze (a substance preventing freezing)
  3. Opposite in nature or effect:
    • Anticlimax (opposite of climax)
    • Antimatter (matter composed of antiparticles)

"Anti" is also used in contexts such as political, cultural, or ideological stances (e.g., anti-authoritarian or anti-globalization).
The prefix is versatile and often appears in combinations that highlight resistance, prevention, or contrasting qualities. In other words, the meaning of the word “anti” can simply mean to be against and not just the polar opposite of something. Besides, the polar opposite of a Jew is a Gentile, and not a Jew.

The apostle John says there are many antichrists (1 John 2:18). I doubt all people who are antichrists are Jewish.
Plus, in history, we see three men who are types of the Antichrist.

Antiochus Epiphanes serves as a significant type of the Antichrist. The first type of Antichrist appears in Genesis with Nimrod; the second is Antiochus Epiphanes in the book of Daniel; and the third is Titus, the Roman prince who destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70. To gain a complete understanding of the Antichrist, it is essential to study not only the book of Revelation but also these three key figures. Nimrod, Antiochus Epiphanes, and Titus together form a composite picture of the Antichrist, while Revelation provides the detailed definition. When we combine this picture with the definition, we arrive at a comprehensive view of the Antichrist.

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Also, in Daniel 11:36-37, after he has entered his beast-king stage, claiming to be God, it says he has no regard for "the God of his fathers", a term for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I will admit, this is a considerable point here. I reread this passage and do see that as a strong possibility. But it is also equally possible that “fathers” here could be in reference to key early church fathers or Christians. According to Scripture, it states:

“And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29).

So if a person is an heir of the promise of Abraham because they are of Christ, then the phrase “Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, “ (Daniel 11:37).

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28).

It is also possible that this Gentile AC merely has Jewish lineage that is not known to the public. The person I speak of as being a potential possibility for the antichrist has sought to change the laws

Daniel 7:25 (KJV)
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

As for a clue to the possible AC I speak of:

“Through one leader’s governing will, the state’s future is written."


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Another clue of this potential AC figure is his misuse of New Testament Scripture to justify the slaughter of the innocent.
Additionally, this individual has suggested an anti-free speech stance on a specific topic, as well.

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The apostle John says there are many antichrists (1 John 2:18). I doubt all people who are antichrists are Jewish.
John was comparing persons who were leaving Christianity, as like the coming Antichrist, in the sense that they were denying that Jesus is the son of God.

Yes, I agree that the many antichrists that John was referring to were likey not Jewish, but Gentiles, who departed Christianity. A modern day example of someone that is antichrist, in the manner John described, is Yusuf Estes, once a Christian pastor who left Christianity to become a Muslim, denying what Christianity says about Jesus. He has several You Tube videos.
 

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Another clue of this potential AC figure is his misuse of New Testament Scripture to justify the slaughter of the innocent.
Additionally, this individual has suggested an anti-free speech stance on a specific topic, as well.

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You said the person as potentially being the Antichrist in your view met with the Pope. Is the person a Californian politician ?
 

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You said the person as potentially being the Antichrist in your view met with the Pope. Is the person a Californian politician ?
Do you have the capability to send me a Private Message?
If not, you can contact me by private message via ChristianForums.com.
Last I checked, there are no restrictions in sending a PM to me there.
My username is the same on this other forum (minus the underscore symbol).


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Bible_Highlighter

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@douggg

It appears you are on this other forum.
I just sent you a Private message on the other Christian forum to discuss my reasons for a potential AC.

Blessings to you in the Lord.


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The kings and priests in the old testament were anointed by oil poured on their head.

Saul and David were anointed by the prophet Samuel
Solomon was anointed by the prophet Nathan

The Jews (Judaism) thus believe that the messiah will be anointed the king of Israel by a known prophet.

The Jews also believe that Elijah will come to be a part of preparing for the messianic age. As a custom, Jewish families set a plate for Elijah at their passover family meals.

The false prophet in Revelation 13, does a miracle of calling fire down from heaven, something Elijah did in his battle with the prophets of Baal.

So, it is likely that the Jews will at first mistake the false prophet of Revelation as being Elijah come a second time around. Elijah actually anointed a king and a prophet in 1Kings 19:16.

The false prophet of Revelation 13, thus, at the beginning of the 7 years will anoint the Antichrist person with oil as part of the cerimony of making him the king of Israel. Later, about 3 years into the 7 years, both will show themselves to be a false prophet and a false messiah.
This is your opinion, right?
There are a lot of opinions voiced on this forum.
 

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That would suggest that much of The Bible was not divinely inspired by God through His prophets and Apostles.

Some Church denominations still hold to the old Protestant Reformation doctrine of a Catholic pope as the Antichrist. They try to claim Apostle Paul's "temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2 means Christ's Church when Paul was actually pointing to a Jewish stone temple built in Jerusalem for the end when that "man of sin" shows up to sit in it and play God. Paul was simple repeating Christ's warning about a coming pseudo-Christ (false Messiah) during the "great tribulation" that will work great signs and wonders that would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matthew 24:15-26).
That would suggest that much of The Bible was not divinely inspired by God through His prophets and Apostles.

Some Church denominations still hold to the old Protestant Reformation doctrine of a Catholic pope as the Antichrist. They try to claim Apostle Paul's "temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2 means Christ's Church when Paul was actually pointing to a Jewish stone temple built in Jerusalem for the end when that "man of sin" shows up to sit in it and play God. Paul was simple repeating Christ's warning about a coming pseudo-Christ (false Messiah) during the "great tribulation" that will work great signs and wonders that would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matthew 24:15-26).
Since its first publication the Bible has never had the words, "God's Word" appear on its cover. Not through the work of the publisher.

Think about this.

If God wrote a book what man would touch it and alter any part?

The Bible is errant. God is not. The Bible was altered through time for political purposes.

I think that is why Jesus observed what he did about searching the scriptures to find him.

John 5.

That's why we must test the spirits. Even the 40+ authors of his word.

God is not found in structures crafted by man.

"The just shall live by his faith” (Habakkuk 2:4).

How many believe in the Bible?
 

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I believe the Antichrist is the little horn in Daniel

Prophecy is repeated. Dan 2, 7, 8,
Revelation gives more info for the end times but does repeat things in the past.

Study, study...

There have been so many interpretations of prophecy and many have already been shown to be wrong. Today there is only one that is right. Which means 1000s must be wrong.

Pride was the devils biggest downfall and people will not admit they are wrong because of pride

We will soon see how things happen.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Our only safety is the sure word of God.

The devil can appear as Christ. How do we know? If it controdicts the bible it is not truth

The antichrist sets themself up as Christ and therefore against Christ.

The antichrist while pretending to be for Christ will lead people away from Christ.

Let's see how it happens.
 

ewq1938

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The antichrist sets themself up as Christ and therefore against Christ.
One of the b4st things said in the thread.

anti in the Greek means either to oppose, or to impersonate. The antichrist does both by pretending to be Jesus which actually is also an opposition to the real Jesus.

Spot on!

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Anti:

G473
a??t?´
anti
Thayer Definition:
1) over against, opposite to, before
2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
2a) instead of
2b) for
2c) for that, because
2d) wherefore, for this cause
Part of Speech: preposition
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary particle
Citing in TDNT: 1:372, 61

While anti can mean "against" it can also mean instead of as in a copy or forgery...ie: false Christ.
 

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The one prophesied to come with description as a great beast will come after there is collapse, which is coming, which with promises from that one will be the way that all the world will follow him, other than few willing to give up their lives in this world for the sake of faithfulness to God. The promises that are great enough for all to follow that one will be godless promises for rebuilding everything of civilization, though that one's promises are false, to lead to complete godlessness.
 
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Very interesting take. You are saying the beast will be a literal demon from the abyss in the form of a man?
 

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(Continued...)

Rev 6:2
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
KJV


5. Lord Jesus returns riding a white horse per Rev.19. But the above rider on a white horse is not our Lord Jesus, because Jesus has a sword and will wear many crowns when He returns. This rider here is about Satan when he is kicked out of the heavenly dimension towards the end of this present world. The point of Jesus giving this warning first is for us to not be deceived, for Satan is coming to mimic Him, The Christ.

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That war in heaven is still future, and is for the end that will start the time of "great tribulation". That idea that when Satan loses that war, that no place will be found any more in heaven for him, means Satan has to come to the only other place he can go to, this earthly dimension. It is another proof that Satan and his angels are literally... coming here upon this earth in plain sight for the end.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
"Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

Did the "kingdom of God, and the power of His Christ" come at Satan's original rebellion long, long ago? No, of course not. That's one of the ways here that we know this war in Heaven has not happened yet.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That above is actually the event of the 5th Seal about the fellow-servant saints that must be killed like those under the Altar were, per Rev.6. That is for the time at the end, not back when Satan first rebelled. So this is another proof that the above war in Heaven is still yet future.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV


Is that "for the devil is come down unto you" serious? is that meant literally? Yes, it is meant literally, Satan and his angels right here upon this earth, in plain sight. Those whose names are not written in the book of life will "wonder" at him. Satan knows he has but a "short time", put for the time of "great tribulation" at the end of this world.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you,
"Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
"Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold,
He is in the secret chambers"
; believe it not.
KJV


In the above Lord Jesus is warning us about a singular coming false-Messiah with the power to do "great signs and wonders" that IF it were possible, would deceive even His very elect.

The KJV phrase "false Christs" is Greek pseudochristos, which is from two Greek words, pseudo which means false, and christos which is singular in the Greek for Christ. The 23 and 26 verse context is also about the coming of a SINGULAR pseudo-Christ. This is the main warning Scripture, delivered to us by Lord Jesus, about the coming "beast" king of Revelation for the end of this world. This false-Messiah is coming to actually mimic Lord Jesus Christ!

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that
man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

The above is Apostle Paul giving us the same warning that Lord Jesus did about the coming pseudo-Christ. Paul shows that false one must come first before Jesus comes to gather us.

Did you notice Paul calls that false one the "son of perdition"? Do you remember in Revelation about the false one related to that idea of "perdition" in the future "lake of fire"? It's about Satan, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

Note what Satan will do when he comes; he will sit in that "temple of God" while exalting himself in place of GOD. The children of darkness and deceived preachers try to get you to believe that "temple of God" means a pope as Antichrist sitting over the Spiritual Temple of Christ. No, Paul is speaking of the traditional Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem, as the "abomination of desolation" prophecy that Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel about the end requires a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem to fulfill it for the end.

If you have not yet studied Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 where God shows about Satan's original rebellion of old in coveting God's Throne, then you will miss another reason why that coming pseudo-Christ will be Satan himself coming to earth to finalize that beast kingdom of Rev.13:1. God is going to allow Satan to try and exalt himself as GOD upon a throne in Jerusalem on earth, in a 3rd Jewish temple. It will be the same kind of sin that Satan tried to do in that time of old when he first coveted God's Throne. God destroyed that time of old of Satan's original rebellion, and God then ordained His Son Jesus Christ to be born of woman to die on the cross for the remission of sins of those who believe on Him.
Excellent bible study DavyP. Well done! Satan will definitely come to earth BEFORE Jesus claiming to be God and will deceive the whole world exactly as it is written.
 

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Very interesting take. You are saying the beast will be a literal demon from the abyss in the form of a man?
Al I can say is:
No matter how it turns out, just as has with Son in being risen for us. that no one could figure it out, Jesus knew and went to that cross willingly for us. For new life to get imputed to us from Father in risen Son, that is love and mercy for all. over the few religion only does as Judge. the rest will turn out as Father has it figured out Thank you Father, I do not need to know how, just stand in trust top you, thank you
God won, I believe it and watch this done work, work through me in the same Love and mercy given me to give out to all. Then it is their call each one to personally believe between God and them too, all else is dung to me, thank you
 

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Do you believe the antichrist is the little horn of Dan 7:8.
 

homwardbound

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Do you believe the antichrist is the little horn of Dan 7:8.
I believe in Father, Son and Holy Spirit to lead, seeing Father works mysteriously
Us, me especially, not knowing really anything, but what one might think they know and get lost in the messes of this world we are in first.
So I see to take all thought Captive,
seeing to act my wage and not my thought(s) thanks Father won for us all by Son's done work first, then is risen where new life is a gift from Father to rest in as in /Hebrews 4 tells me
 

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Do you believe the antichrist is the little horn of Dan 7:8.

He's the OT version of the AC matching the false prophet who is described as having two little horns of a lambkin. Clearly a nod to the one Daniel saw.