THE REAL BAPTISM

[Shilohsfoal]

Jesus Christ God HIMSELF said in Mark 16:16 " He that believeth And is Baptized shall be saved" .....So according the Jesus Christ you Must be baptized to be saved.

Mark 16:16 doesn't say anything about water.But I've never met a person who has never taken a bath.Everyone I know has taken a bath at one time or another.Even unbelievers takes baths in water fully submerging themselves into water and becoming completely wet.

I'm not sure why you would believe your work of taking a bath can save you when everyone does the same thing.Muslims, Hindus,Jews,and satanists all baptise themselves in the same worldly water as yourself.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

ALL who were baptized spoke in tongues.

I got water baptize and baptized in the Holy Ghost and I speak in tongues in my prayer closet, but not in a public setting since not all speak in tongues in public for tongues and interpretation

I feel sorry for those that choose to not accept the gift of tongues for private use between themselves and the Lord.

It's encrypted communication so the enemy has no idea what you and the Lord are talking about and he can't hack thru since God's Spirit is so secure He's all powerful!

Plus, those that choose to not accept the gift of tongues for private use don't have access to the Lord praying thru them when they know not how to pray which is a tremendous and stupendous advantage over the enemy.

You fellas don't know what you are missing!

Those without the gift of tongues for private use - it's like going to war with no protective cover thru air superiority and the enemy can counter your every move because he can hear all your communications!

 

[jamessb]

Let me lay some simple TRUTH upon those that have ears to hear. If ANYONE says:

"1 Cor 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

means that not everyone who is baptized in the Holy Ghost will speak in tongues as a sign of being baptized, makes Acts 2:1-4 a direct contradiction to this verse. Acts 2:1-4 Says ALL who were baptized spoke in tongues.

Now we ALL know that Scripture never contradicts itself. So the contradiction is in people's interpretation of 1 Cor. 12:28-30.

1 Cor. 12:30 fits better within the context of Public speaking in tongues which require interpretation. Which NOT everyone has hints 1 Cor 12:30

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Apparently you don't understand the meaning of a question mark!

 

[wolfwint]

I got water baptize and baptized in the Holy Ghost and I speak in tongues in my prayer closet, but not in a public setting since not all speak in tongues in public for tongues and interpretation

I feel sorry for those that choose to not accept the gift of tongues for private use between themselves and the Lord.

It's encrypted communication so the enemy has no idea what you and the Lord are talking about and he can't hack thru since God's Spirit is so secure He's all powerful!

Plus, those that choose to not accept the gift of tongues for private use don't have access to the Lord praying thru them when they know not how to pray which is a tremendous and stupendous advantage over the enemy.

You fellas don't know what you are missing!

Those without the gift of tongues for private use - it's like going to war with no protective cover thru air superiority and the enemy can counter your every move because he can hear all your communications!

Again, scripture is saying that this gift is not to all given. You are saying it is their own fool if a believer is not speak in tongues.
And you are making something superior to this gift. Do you believe that a believer has less fellowship, less comfort with the Lord If he is not speaking in tongues.
Do you believe a spoken or thaught prayer is less worth, less heared then to speak in tongues?
If you realy believe this, i would come to the conclusion. This is false teaching.
And finaly you have to blame the Holy Spirit. He is the One who gives the gifts.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I got water baptize and baptized in the Holy Ghost and I speak in tongues in my prayer closet, but not in a public setting since not all speak in tongues in public for tongues and interpretation

I feel sorry for those that choose to not accept the gift of tongues for private use between themselves and the Lord.

It's encrypted communication so the enemy has no idea what you and the Lord are talking about and he can't hack thru since God's Spirit is so secure He's all powerful!

Plus, those that choose to not accept the gift of tongues for private use don't have access to the Lord praying thru them when they know not how to pray which is a tremendous and stupendous advantage over the enemy.

You fellas don't know what you are missing!

Those without the gift of tongues for private use - it's like going to war with no protective cover thru air superiority and the enemy can counter your every move because he can hear all your communications!

Jesus teaches how to pray and what to pray in the bible and your saying that everyone Jesus has taught how to pray are praying the wrong way?

 

[jamessb]

Jesus teaches how to pray and what to pray in the bible and your saying that everyone Jesus has taught how to pray are praying the wrong way?

a) Did you actually read post #145?
b) The OP subject is "The Real Baptism". What does this have to do with that subject?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

a) Did you actually read post #145?
b) The OP subject is "The Real Baptism". What does this have to do with that subject?

If you read the post I was questioning ,you would see what it has to do with the subject.

Open your eyes .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Busybodies everywhere.

Time for the ignore to go into use.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Again, scripture is saying that this gift is not to all given.

Those not looking at / accepting all the new testament says about this topic claim it's not for everyone.

What's not for everyone is speaking in tongues in a public service where another person interprets

Do you believe that a believer has less fellowship, less comfort with the Lord If he is not speaking in tongues.

Do you believe believers should reject ALL of the gifts the Lord desires for His Body to have?

Do you believe a spoken or thaught prayer is less worth, less heared then to speak in tongues?

Praying in our learned language using only our thoughts and limited knowledge is a major impediment and satan has a vested interest is talking Christians in to rejecting this gift for their personal prayer life because when they do the devil benefits.

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered (in articulate speech, speech known to man).

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:2 - is speaking of our personal prayer language, which is something we do in our prayer closet and not in public.

1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Isaiah 28:11,12
For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people,
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

i would come to the conclusion. This is false teaching.

That's not a problem for me one way or the other.

Nobody is trying to force you to do anything and you have a right to disagree, not problem.

And finaly you have to blame the Holy Spirit. He is the One who gives the gifts.

No, He gave me the gift on tongues for my private prayer life so I'm all good to go!

 

[jamessb]

If you read the post I was questioning ,you would see what it has to do with the subject.

Open your eyes .

You are imagining things! Here is your post in its entirety: "Jesus teaches how to pray and what to pray in the bible and your saying that everyone Jesus has taught how to pray are praying the wrong way?"

This has nothing to do with baptism! Open your eyes!

 

[wolfwint]

Those not looking at / accepting all the new testament says about this topic claim it's not for everyone.

What's not for everyone is speaking in tongues in a public service where another person interprets






Do you believe believers should reject ALL of the gifts the Lord desires for His Body to have?





Praying in our learned language using only our thoughts and limited knowledge is a major impediment and satan has a vested interest is talking Christians in to rejecting this gift for their personal prayer life because when they do the devil benefits.

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered (in articulate speech, speech known to man).

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:2 - is speaking of our personal prayer language, which is something we do in our prayer closet and not in public.

1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Isaiah 28:11,12
For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people,
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.






That's not a problem for me one way or the other.

Nobody is trying to force you to do anything and you have a right to disagree, not problem.





No, He gave me the gift on tongues for my private prayer life so I'm all good to go!

Well i cant agree! Thats someone reject the gift of speaking in tongues assumes that gift was given.
But you blame people who got not this gift, it is because they reject it.
I cant reject, what is not given to me.
The gift I got i to discern the spirits. And i did not ask for.
The same Paul you quotet in 1.Cor.14 told in 1. Cor. 12, 29-30 that not all receive the gift of speaking in tongues. And this

 

[wolfwint]

Those not looking at / accepting all the new testament says about this topic claim it's not for everyone.

What's not for everyone is speaking in tongues in a public service where another person interprets






Do you believe believers should reject ALL of the gifts the Lord desires for His Body to have?





Praying in our learned language using only our thoughts and limited knowledge is a major impediment and satan has a vested interest is talking Christians in to rejecting this gift for their personal prayer life because when they do the devil benefits.

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered (in articulate speech, speech known to man).

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:2 - is speaking of our personal prayer language, which is something we do in our prayer closet and not in public.

1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Isaiah 28:11,12
For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people,
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.






That's not a problem for me one way or the other.

Nobody is trying to force you to do anything and you have a right to disagree, not problem.





No, He gave me the gift on tongues for my private prayer life so I'm all good to go!

Part 2, i came to esrly of the reply Button.
... And this contradicts to the common pentecostal/charismatic teaching that all receiving the gift of speaking in tongues who is baptised with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

I cant reject, what is not given to me.

No, you reject it because you have been taught error

You believe it's not for you or not given to you and according to your faith it's been done unto you.

 

[wolfwint]

No, you reject it because you have been taught error

You believe it's not for you or not given to you and according to your faith it's been done unto you.

Was it taught in Acts 2 that they will speak in tongues?

 

[jamessb]

Was it taught in Acts 2 that they will speak in tongues?

No, that is a common misinterpretation. "Tongues" in Acts 2 clearly means the spoken languages of the time, not the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[wolfwint]

No, that is a common misinterpretation. "Tongues" in Acts 2 clearly means the spoken languages of the time, not the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Why then almost all pentecostals/charismatics use Acts 2,8, 10 and 19 as reason for there claim that speaking in tongues is the sign that someone received the Holy Spirit?

 

[PaulThomson]

2. There occurred after the early chapters
of the Book of Acts a change in God’s dealings
with Israel. Israel rejected Peter’s offer of
the Kingdom in Acts 3:19-21 and as a result
was, as a nation, temporarily cast aside (Acts
10:1-48; 13:44-49; 18:4-6; 28:25-28; Romans
11:1-25, esp. 11,12,15,25). Therefore, the
whole basis for water baptism in the New Testament as traced in this tract is removed.
3. As another result of Israel’s rejection,
God began the Church of today, the Body
of Christ mentioned in Ephesians 1:22,23.

If israel was cast aside, why does Paul deny that God has vast off His people whom he foreknew, citing himself as a Jew received by grace through faith in God and Christ into grafted back into the olive tree stump which is Christ?

ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the scripture says of Eli'jah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3"Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have demolished thy altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life."
4But what is God's reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Ba'al."
5So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace....
22Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.
23And even the others, if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
24For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree.

 

[jamessb]

Why then almost all pentecostals/charismatics use Acts 2,8, 10 and 19 as reason for there claim that speaking in tongues is the sign that someone received the Holy Spirit?

When I attended both a Pentecostal church and a charismatic church I never heard that reference.

Speaking in tongues is a gift from God, given to believers only.

 

[wolfwint]

When I attended both a Pentecostal church and a charismatic church I never heard that reference.

Speaking in tongues is a gift from God, given to believers only.

Well, all pentecostals and charismatics i met in my life told me this. Also here on CC.

Well, then maby you should research.
If you ask them for bible reference, then they answer because of Acts 2,8,10 and 19.

According what you are saying. I am then no believer, because I have not the gift of speaking in tongues.
Or I understand you wrong?
I mean it should be clear that nonbelievers have not the Holy Spirit and also not any spiritual gift.

 

[jamessb]

Well, all pentecostals and charismatics i met in my life told me this. Also here on CC.

Well, then maby you should research.
If you ask them for bible reference, then they answer because of Acts 2,8,10 and 19.

According what you are saying. I am then no believer, because I have not the gift of speaking in tongues.
Or I understand you wrong?
I mean it should be clear that nonbelievers have not the Holy Spirit and also not any spiritual gift.

You understand me incorrectly. God distributes His gift as He wills. People who are jealous of the gifts others receive are like children at Christmas who are envious of their siblings' gifts, as though that is a valid measure of their parents' love.

We should be grateful for God's ultimate gifts -- the sacrifice of His son as penalty for our sins, the giving of the Holy Spirit, and the promise of eternal life. Those count far, far more than speaking in tongues, prophecy, healing, etc.