The Real Biblical Replacement Theology

[eternally-gratefull]

Psalm 102:12 - 22:

But You, O LORD, abide forever, And Your name to all generations. You will arise and have compassion on Zion; For it is time to be gracious to her, For the appointed time has come. Surely Your servants find pleasure in her stones And feel pity for her dust.

So the nations will fear the name of the LORD And all the kings of the earth Your glory. For the LORD has built up Zion; He has appeared in His glory. He has regarded the prayer of the destitute And has not despised their prayer.

This will be written for the generation to come,That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD.

For He looked down from His holy height; From heaven the LORD gazed upon the earth, o hear the groaning of the prisoner, to set free those who were doomed to death.

That men may tell of the name of the LORD in Zion and His praise in Jerusalem, When the peoples are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.

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This will be written for the generation to come,That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD

This ties in exactly with what Isaiah said:

Isa 65:15 “You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones, and the Lord GOD will slay you. But My servants will be called by another name.

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The above is a fatal blow to the dispen-sensational claim that the "church" is never found in the Old Testament, and that the "church" was "plan B" when the Jew's rejected their Messiah.

Dispnsationals understand and not only Was the gentiles spoken of in the OT, so was th church, they alsare understand grace was always the means of salvation, and that There are specific promises made to the nation of Israel which has nothing to do with eternal life of one person, or the church which was prophesied to come post Christ,

do do not let these people fool you into thinking dispensationals believe things they do not, , or do not believe things they do.

This persons so called fatal blow is just hot air, based on things which are not true, let th hot air blow by you and give no heed,

study it it is not hard to prove his hot air is nothing but that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gods Salvation Plan was established "from the beginning."

If anyone honestly thinks God needs a "plan B" or some such, well..............not much to say about that is there?

How can any reasonable person actually believe God "called an audible" and decided to have Christ be crucified as the Perfect Sacrifice for all sins, for all time? It boggles the mind to think that folks actually do...........sigh

There has never been a plan B, although SOME who hold to a far left view of dispensations think there were, mainstream dispensationalsim does not teach this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

he never said there was prohibition to join israel lol................

the law showed how they could join, King David's grandmother was a gentile..lol.

 

[Locutus]

Maybe some of you you don't fully understand what the full implications are from promoters of that "theology".

This is from "Things to Come - A Study in Biblical Eschatology" written by J.D Pentecost:

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“The church itself was the mystery. The fact that God was going to form Jews and Gentiles alike in one body was never revealed in the Old Testament and forms the mystery of which Paul speaks in Ephesians 3:1-7; Romans 16:25-27; Colossians 1:26-29. This whole mystery program was not revealed until after the rejection of Christ by Israel.”

“The church is manifestly an interruption of God’s program for Israel, which was not brought into being until Israel’s rejection of the offer of the kingdom. It must logically follow that his mystery program must itself be brought to conclusion before God can resume His dealing with the nation of Israel.

The mystery program, which was so distinct in its inception, will certainly be separate at its conclusion. This program must be concluded before God resumes and culminates His program for Israel. This mystery concept of the church makes a pre-tribulational rapture a necessity.”

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There was only one program for Israel and that was and is the church.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul spoke of a mystery, said Israel being blind in part until the fullness of the gentile was completed, the was that mystery h also spoof th revelation of the mystery kept since time began (rom 16),
He called the wisdom of God a mystery 1 cor 2,
his will a mystery Eph 1,
the mystery f Christ (Eph 3),
Christ and the church was a mystery (Eph 5)
Th gospel was a mystery Eph 6
Christ in you was a mystery Col 1
W can go on and on, but you see the picture,

Jesus calld th kingdom of God a mystery which only certain people were allowed to see (mark 4)

let the decievers continue to mock what they do not understand. No one saw 2 comings of Christ, no one saw the church as it was post Christ in the OT, we saw that gentiles would be called his people. But no one saw how it happened, or would happen, and there was a reason,

we see it because we see see what they could not see,

 

[Locutus]

Oh - I see disagreeing with Darby and the Darbyites = mocker/deceiver....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh - I see disagreeing with Darby and the Darbyites = mocker/deceiver....

no, saying people believe or say things they do not is being a deciever.

Who sad anything about Darby? Should I call you a catholic? What good would that do anyone? Let's stick to what peopl actually believe, not to what people long since dead may or may not have believed. Or is that too hard?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh - I see disagreeing with Darby and the Darbyites = mocker/deceiver....

By the way, noticed he said nothing about my post, nor did he show how I may have gotten it wrong, this is a normal tactic. Attack, belittle, blame shift. Etc etc.

 

[Locutus]

Maybe some of you you don't fully understand what the full implications are from promoters of that "theology".

I said it right there..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Maybe some of you you don't fully understand what the full implications are from promoters of that "theology".

I said it right there..

And you were wrong,

next.

 

[Locutus]

No, you're wrong...

In fact you have not been able to disprove anything in regard to the topic...

 

[valiant]

Maybe some of you you don't fully understand what the full implications are from promoters of that "theology".

This is from "Things to Come - A Study in Biblical Eschatology" written by J.D Pentecost:

​

“The church itself was the mystery. The fact that God was going to form Jews and Gentiles alike in one body was never revealed in the Old Testament and forms the mystery of which Paul speaks in Ephesians 3:1-7; Romans 16:25-27; Colossians 1:26-29. This whole mystery program was not revealed until after the rejection of Christ by Israel.”

“The church is manifestly an interruption of God’s program for Israel, which was not brought into being until Israel’s rejection of the offer of the kingdom. It must logically follow that his mystery program must itself be brought to conclusion before God can resume His dealing with the nation of Israel.

The mystery program, which was so distinct in its inception, will certainly be separate at its conclusion. This program must be concluded before God resumes and culminates His program for Israel. This mystery concept of the church makes a pre-tribulational rapture a necessity.”

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There was only one program for Israel and that was and is the church.

lol Isaiah knew of the mystery
Isa 49:6
yea, he saith, It is too light a thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

and its not pretribulational in fact he knew of no tribulation

 

[valiant]

Paul spoke of a mystery, said Israel being blind in part until the fullness of the gentile was completed, the was that mystery h also spoof th revelation of the mystery kept since time began (rom 16),
He called the wisdom of God a mystery 1 cor 2,
his will a mystery Eph 1,
the mystery f Christ (Eph 3),
Christ and the church was a mystery (Eph 5)
Th gospel was a mystery Eph 6
Christ in you was a mystery Col 1
W can go on and on, but you see the picture,

Jesus calld th kingdom of God a mystery which only certain people were allowed to see (mark 4)

let the decievers continue to mock what they do not understand. No one saw 2 comings of Christ, no one saw the church as it was post Christ in the OT, we saw that gentiles would be called his people. But no one saw how it happened, or would happen, and there was a reason,

we see it because we see see what they could not see,

It wasn't a mystery to Isaiah

yea, he saith, It is too light a thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

 

[Locutus]

lol Isaiah knew of the mystery
Isa 49:6
yea, he saith, It is too light a thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Exactly......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, you're wrong...

In fact you have not been able to disprove anything in regard to the topic...

Actually. I did,

i proved how we knew new of the gentile inclusion you denied we knew, and I proved that Paul and Jesus called many things we know as truth today a mystery

but we know from the past, facts mean nothing to you, that's why I usually stay out of these discussions.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It wasn't a mystery to Isaiah

yea, he saith, It is too light a thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Typical. You all never listen? I already said the OT said god would be a light to the gentiles,

isaiah did not know HOW it would happen, hen again, I already proved it in my post,

so again, thinking you proved me wrong, all you did was againshow you do not listen.

 

[Locutus]

Actually. I did,

i proved how we knew new of the gentile inclusion you denied we knew, and I proved that Paul and Jesus called many things we know as truth today a mystery

but we know from the past, facts mean nothing to you, that's why I usually stay out of these discussions.

You proved you supposedly knew it, tell that to Darby and his fellow "theologians".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You proved you supposedly knew it, tell that to Darby and his fellow "theologians".

i am not here to discuss Darby, the thread was started to discuss replacement theology vs dispensationalsim so let's discuss that ok?

Again, I can call you catholic, but it does not support the argument or the discussion, nor does calling people darbians. It will not support your view, and makes you come across as a person who does not want to discuss anything

 

[Locutus]

i am not here to discuss Darby, the thread was started to discuss replacement theology vs dispensationalsim so let's discuss that ok?

I already gave the dispensational view earlier:

This is basically the dispensational "doctrine" in regards to the church:


This is from "Things to Come - A Study in Biblical Eschatology" written by J.D Pentecost:

“The church itself was the mystery. The fact that God was going to form Jews and Gentiles alike in one body was never revealed in the Old Testament and forms the mystery of which Paul speaks in Ephesians 3:1-7; Romans 16:25-27; Colossians 1:26-29. This whole mystery program was not revealed until after the rejection of Christ by Israel.”

“The church is manifestly an interruption of God’s program for Israel, which was not brought into being until Israel’s rejection of the offer of the kingdom. It must logically follow that his mystery program must itself be brought to conclusion before God can resume His dealing with the nation of Israel.

The mystery program, which was so distinct in its inception, will certainly be separate at its conclusion. This program must be concluded before God resumes and culminates His program for Israel. This mystery concept of the church makes a pre-tribulational rapture a necessity.”

So address this,paying attention to the parts in bold

 

[valiant]

Typical. You all never listen? I already said the OT said god would be a light to the gentiles,

isaiah did not know HOW it would happen, hen again, I already proved it in my post,

so again, thinking you proved me wrong, all you did was againshow you do not listen.

I wasn't talking to you