The Real Biblical Replacement Theology

[eternally-gratefull]

I already gave the dispensational view earlier:

This is basically the dispensational "doctrine" in regards to the church:


This is from "Things to Come - A Study in Biblical Eschatology" written by J.D Pentecost:

“The church itself was the mystery. The fact that God was going to form Jews and Gentiles alike in one body was never revealed in the Old Testament and forms the mystery of which Paul speaks in Ephesians 3:1-7; Romans 16:25-27; Colossians 1:26-29. This whole mystery program was not revealed until after the rejection of Christ by Israel.”

“The church is manifestly an interruption of God’s program for Israel, which was not brought into being until Israel’s rejection of the offer of the kingdom. It must logically follow that his mystery program must itself be brought to conclusion before God can resume His dealing with the nation of Israel.

The mystery program, which was so distinct in its inception, will certainly be separate at its conclusion. This program must be concluded before God resumes and culminates His program for Israel. This mystery concept of the church makes a pre-tribulational rapture a necessity.”

So address this,paying attention to the parts in bold

I already answered it by proving paul and Jesus both called it was a mystery, and I even gave you the verses, so your argument is with Paul, not me,

God promise to Israel stands today. It was never intended to be a Salvic promise, never did God say according to his covenant concerning a nation they all would be saved,

I answerd all your questions, whether you like my answers or not does not matter.

 

[Locutus]

I think you are missing the point here - I'm discussing the dispensationalist position here that is basically what comes out of the Dallas Theological Seminary. That's why I quoted J.D Pentecost's book.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think you are missing the point here - I'm discussing the dispensationalist position here that is basically what comes out of the Dallas Theological Seminary. That's why I quoted J.D Pentecost's book.

Yep, and there was nothing wrong with what he said, so no, I did not miss anything, I explained to you what I think he said, and Paul said in the verses I posted the church was a mystery, Jew gentile being one under Christ was a mystery,

your argument is again with paul, not myself, not Pentecost,

i do not not agree with everything Pentecost says, but he did write one of th best books on the subject.

 

[Locutus]

"The church is manifestly an interruption of God’s program for Israel"

So you agree with the above statement?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"The church is manifestly an interruption of God’s program for Israel"

So you agree with the above statement?

Yes, Israel is blinded in part,

what was jesus words, Jerusalem Jerusalem, how often I wanted to gather you as a hen gathers her chicks, but you were unwilling, now you shall see me no more UNTIL you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the lord,

he he spoke about them as a nation, not individual believers, gods plan to have them represent him on earth, to prove to the world he is the god of israel, was put on hold, the "mystery age" had begun.

 

[Locutus]

How is that an interruption?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How is that an interruption?

how is it not an interruption?

 

[Locutus]

More of a delay,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

More of a delay,

delay?

he said "you ( Israel) will not see many more until they repent and call him out by name"

as a messiah to Israel, he has been hidden from the nation until hey repent, just like romans 11 said would happen, until then they are blinded in part,

They are stil looking for their messiah, they will not see him UNTIL they repent, and call out on the name of the Lord.

 

[Locutus]

Regardless, it's still a delay and not an interruption - that's an invention not supported by the bible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Regardless, it's still a delay and not an interruption - that's an invention not supported by the bible.

It still says God is not done with the nation of Israel, and Jesus himself admitted they will see him again, when they repent, he did not tell people that, he was speaking to himself what would happen, and God decided it was important enough to have it written down.

which destroys replacement theology,

all you did was say because you THINK is is not an interruption, it is only a delay (technically the same difference anyway) that means it must not be supported, you failed to prove your point, while Jesus himself destroyed your argument. Which itself is not biblical.

 

[Locutus]

An interruption is not a delay:

Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

Same program, just with a delay.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

An interruption is not a delay:

Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

Same program, just with a delay.

When something is delayed, it s interrupted for a time until the delay is completed.

stop fighting man, you fighting against yourself

 

[Locutus]

Not fighting against myself - just the dispensationalist dogma:

"This program must be concluded before God resumes and culminates His program for Israel."

There is no such thing as two programs, one for the church and one for Israel. That's a Darby invention.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not fighting against myself - just the dispensationalist dogma:

"This program must be concluded before God resumes and culminates His program for Israel."

There is no such thing as two programs, one for the church and one for Israel.That's a Darby invention.

Darby was not around when Paul wrote romans 11, and all the OT prophesies which spoke of Israel rejecting the R messiah, being dispersed and having their city destroyed, until they repent, and god remembers his promise to the fathers, and restores them

he even said that would not happen until the fullness of the gentile came in.

of course that was not a salvic promise, is t was a national promise

so your wrong on both counts

Your fighting yourself because your fighting a belief you have, and his can not hear the truth,

like Jesus when he admitted Israel will not see their messiah UNTIL they repent,

if what hat you say is true, Jesus lied, they will never see their messiah, they are done

 

[Locutus]

I'm refuting yours and Darby's "truth" which you've swallowed hook line and sinker.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm refuting yours and Darby's "truth" which you've swallowed hook line and sinker.

Keep thinking that if makes you feel better,

if if you ever do do that, I will change, until then, I will keep hearing you make the same old arguments and drown in your insistence you are doing what you think you are doing,


You can't even admit jesus said Israel will repent and see their messiah face to face, and you want to say you refuted me?

Ha ha.. whatever.

 

[Locutus]

He never said they would repent - you totally misunderstand what Christ meant "ye shall not see me until" - nothing to do with repenting.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He never said they would repent - you totally misunderstand what Christ meant "ye shall not see me until" - nothing to do with repenting.

Until you say blessed is he is he who comes in the name f the lord

that is repenting

you are so desperate you can not even see things, you just took something jesus said and cut it up so you could appear correct. Consider yourself on ignore

when your ready to discuss, I will be back. Until then enjoy,

 

[Locutus]

No it isn't, it's a reference to what the Jews said on their annual feasts , when welcoming visitors to Jerusalem. From the Psalms.

Jesus is quoting Psalms:

(Psa 118:26 KJV) Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.

T. W. Manson in his {The Mission and Message of Jesus") says:

Psalms 118 was, "a psalm which has connections with the great pilgrim feasts of Judaism, but especially the feast of Tabernacles."

The Jews celebrated three main feasts generally known as Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles. They were required to travel (pilgrimage) to Jerusalem to worship the Lord - Exodus 23:17.

Psalms 118 would be sung to the approaching worshipers, so Psalms 118:26 "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD" would "reverberate" through the streets on the feast days.

The feast of Unleavened Bread is during the Passover. Josephus in his "Wars" book 6, chapter 9, paragraph 3:
Now the number of those that were carried captive during this whole war was collected to be ninety-seven thousand; as was the number of those that perished during the whole siege eleven hundred thousand, the greater part of whom were indeed of the same nation (with the citizens of Jerusalem), but not belonging to the city itself; for they were come up from all the country to the feast of unleavened bread, and were on a sudden shut up by an army.



Your "theology" is a couple of hundred years behind the times.