The Righteousness that Exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees

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Re: TRUE BAPTISM
So...
How many here have followed Christ into the woods?

How many here have even followed paul by not eating or drinking for 3 days?

How many here have truly taken up the cross and followed Him?

I can tell by the posts...not many at all
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many are Called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN.. indeed!
 
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According to the bible our righteousness is like filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6 NKJV
[6] But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.

That being the case there is no way the Pharisees, or any human being ever born, could ever earn God's favour by their own
efforts. Even the best that we are capable of is spoilt by the sinful nature, brought about at the fall in Genesis.

Many find that hard to accept, I think it's human nature to take pride in "our" achievements, to promote ourselves,
to say look at me aren't I just the best, look what I have done! People don't want to be humble, they don't like
admitting they might have been mistaken and I think more and more in the so called modern world people are
encouraged to promote themselves. Just look at all the selfies:)

(ps if I have got this wrong I humbly apologies:)).

The only righteousness we have is the imputed righteousness of Jesus, nothing else will do. But to admit this it
takes humility, the Pharisees were too busy trying to point out other people's faults to take a closer look at themselves.

i can't find the following verses but maybe someone can find them - the ones about he who is first shall be last etc.
and the banquet where someone goes to the head of the table but is asked to move and a lessor person is given the prime
position.


I love the following verses about Moses, I can almost imagine him being this quiet shrinking voilet, shocked
that God chose him to lead the people. But it was his dependency on God that made him perfect for the job.
If he had been full of pride and puffed up, would he have listened to God, probably not.

Numbers 12:3 NKJV
[3] (Now the man Moses was very humble, more than all men who were on the face of the earth.)

Lord give me a heart which seeks to serve you and listen for your voice - sorry Lord for the times
pride has got in the way.
 
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Re: TRUE BAPTISM
So...
How many here have followed Christ into the woods?

How many here have even followed paul by not eating or drinking for 3 days?

How many here have truly taken up the cross and followed Him?

I can tell by the posts...not many at all
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Let me put it this way... HOW MANY have been driven to the Woods or wilderness, because THEY WERE persecuted for the Cause of Righteousness, by those children of the flesh, yet claiming Christ, yet speaking Evil of the Way of Truth, so corrupt it brings the Wrath of God down on them in their lives..... thats a really good question... very very very few... John was placed on the isle of Patmos, for the TEstimony of Christ, he was there in tribulation and patience. They Tried to muzzle the ox, not a good thing to do... thou shalt not muzzle the ox, for the laborer is WORTHY OF HIS REWARD.. indeed.. if your Driven to the Woods or Wilderness. your LED THERE by the Spirit, many different Reasons why He does that... but the one you will see the LEAST OF , here in this Gentile Nation, the USA, is for the sake of Righteousness, persecuted by the children of the flesh, speaking Evil of the Way of Truth... indeed.. the Master Says when that Happens you are Blessed...

Blessed are they which are Persecuted for Righteousness' Sake: for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
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According to the bible our righteousness is like filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6 NKJV
[6] But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.

That being the case there is no way the Pharisees, or any human being ever born, could ever earn God's favour by their own
efforts. Even the best that we are capable of is spoilt by the sinful nature, brought about at the fall in Genesis.

Many find that hard to accept, I think it's human nature to take pride in "our" achievements, to promote ourselves,
to say look at me aren't I just the best, look what I have done! People don't want to be humble, they don't like
admitting they might have been mistaken and I think more and more in the so called modern world people are
encouraged to promote themselves. Just look at all the selfies:)

(ps if I have got this wrong I humbly apologies:)).

The only righteousness we have is the imputed righteousness of Jesus, nothing else will do. But to admit this it
takes humility, the Pharisees were too busy trying to point out other people's faults to take a closer look at themselves.

i can't find the following verses but maybe someone can find them - the ones about he who is first shall be last etc.
and the banquet where someone goes to the head of the table but is asked to move and a lessor person is given the prime
position.


I love the following verses about Moses, I can almost imagine him being this quiet shrinking voilet, shocked
that God chose him to lead the people. But it was his dependency on God that made him perfect for the job.
If he had been full of pride and puffed up, would he have listened to God, probably not.

Numbers 12:3 NKJV
[3] (Now the man Moses was very humble, more than all men who were on the face of the earth.)

Lord give me a heart which seeks to serve you and listen for your voice - sorry Lord for the times
pride has got in the way.

even the Bestest, Bestest, goodest goodest goodest person.. in the eyes of a good 'moral' man.... COULD not meet the Requirement for Justification and Imputed Righteousness..

Peradventure ONE WOULD EVEN DARE TO DIE FOR A GOOD MAN.... but He did.. even the best of the Best.. Christ Died for them.. this telling the simple man... mans' best, even his bestest, cant meet the Standard... if they Could Christ would of never Gone to the tree for Appeasement.. but He did. indeed!
 
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Yep, these religious elite back then. they were ABOVE everybody else. THEY thought.. lolz.. until the Word of God confronted them with their Hypocrisy... lol... the 7 woes come to mind.. its really no different today.. THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD... exceeding the righteousness of the scribes / pharisees.... can you tell me what the Gift of Righteousness is?
To be in right standing with God... a gift because even though we may want it, we cann t afford it, therefore, the One who can afford it, gives it freely...that is what a gift is


21But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.22This righteousness is given through faith in[SUP]h[/SUP] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[SUP]i[/SUP] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Romans 3
 
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No, Jesus meant what he said. If He didn't then He would have been lying. The Scriptures say the scribes and the pharisees ignored the weightier matters of the law like justice, love, and mercy. One cannot be a believer and not have these types of fruits (that come from having the Spirit) within their life.

Yes, God imputes His righteousness to the believer when they repent of their sins and accept Him as their Savior. But Christ does not impute righteousness to a believer if they then continue to be unloving, unmerciful, and unjust. Such a concept doesn't make any sense. One has to actually believe Jesus' words in the present moment of reality in real time and not in some make believe wishy wash type fantasy world that would exist within a person's mind alone. Jesus said you must actually exceed their righteousness. How does one do that? By the power of your own might? No. By the strength of your arm or flesh? No. By grafting an exoskeleton robot chasis armor onto yourself so as to force yourself to do good? No. By watching listening to a bunch of postive motivational preachers? No. The answer is in Jesus Christ and in surrendering to Him. It is in yielding to the work Christ wants to do within you. That is the answer. God does the work in you. That is how you can exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees. Not by your own power, but by the power of God that can work in you. It's not in some mental belief while one sips a soda on a beach while they destroy some kid's sand castle (Making him cry). That is not the answer. Yielding to the Lord and the work He wants to do in your life is the answer.
 
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Jason is spot on. You see this with the comment in the Bible about the law being written in our hearts, also when Jesus says he did not come to end the law, when they speak of works being performed through the Holy Spirit so no one can boast and when it is spoken of the saved passing through fire and deeds they did on their own get burned up lessening their heavenly rewards. This is important to understand, when you are saved the Holy Spirit dwells in you then inspires you to do God's will and if you refuse then you quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. Therefore the Law definitely applies to the saved otherwise it would be a get out of jail free card to sin but God is perfect in justice so He would never allow such.
 
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If you LOOK at Christ Jesus, His Person, God manifest in the flesh... your looking at Pure Righteousness. not stained with the Carnal hands of the pride of men.

His Righteousness is a GIFT.. Gifts are GRANTED and in this case its Imputed by the Father.....Approved Righteousness of God...---------------->you dont work for it.. dont earn it... dont buy it or pay for it... ... you look at the Law, absent from Christ, that Law is your taskmaster, which will eventually BRING TO THE REVELATION of Christ's Righteousness, which is by FAITH IN HIS COMPLETED WORK AT THE TREE.. Faith in Christ's Work, Genuine Saving faith from the heart... EXCEEDS any measure of the work of a man woman or child to Attain a level of Righteousness... The Simplicity in Christ Jesus , it is so very simple, and for this reason the Serpent Corrupts .. he doesn't want you to 'know' the Simplicity in Christ... His Rest, His Imputed Righteousness.. Justification by Faith alone... he always plays off your pride.. feeding it.. oh your good enough.. thats good enough.. hath God really said? the Simplicity that is in Christ Crucified, A MYSTERY to the World, and many today who sit in congregations.. indeed!
I look at the Law apart from Christ, and all I do is turn around to look for something much easier and more enjoyable. The Law without Christ is like offering me a sewer sandwich. Um, ew! No thanks.

The Law with Christ is looking at Christ That's what his righteousness looks like. That's the reason we can trust him. He accomplished/accomplishes/will accomplish it all perfectly. It is finished, but without seeing what it is, we can't see finished.
 
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Re: TRUE BAPTISM
So...
How many here have followed Christ into the woods?

How many here have even followed paul by not eating or drinking for 3 days?

How many here have truly taken up the cross and followed Him?

I can tell by the posts...not many at all
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Okay I have a question for you who Truly Understand that it is By Grace that ye are Saved, THRU FAITH, ... this not of works or yourself...... lest any man should boast...

MyQuestion: each YEAR that goes by I see more and more 'christians'.. claiming Christ, yet aDhering to the Law, you have His Cross, then you must meet the standards of the Law.. a kind of Galatia type atmosphere, if you put it in simple terms...

How does this MOVEMENT tie into end time events? do you know the Mystery behind a GALATIA type of 'global christianity' prior to His Coming for His Bride and His Un Veiling from Heaven?


When Christ Returns, Will He find Genuine Faith?
You see Christians adhering to the law? Where? That would be cool to witness, considering no one but Christ has done that.

And I do believe salvation is by Christ alone, so he's the author of my faith too. But, End Time events? I don't buy the 1850's new gospel of "End Times," so I don't play the guess-when-Christ-is-returning game. He told us not to bother trying to figure out, just be ready. Good advice.

I'm bowing out of this.
 
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Jason is spot on. You see this with the comment in the Bible about the law being written in our hearts, also when Jesus says he did not come to end the law, when they speak of works being performed through the Holy Spirit so no one can boast and when it is spoken of the saved passing through fire and deeds they did on their own get burned up lessening their heavenly rewards. This is important to understand, when you are saved the Holy Spirit dwells in you then inspires you to do God's will and if you refuse then you quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. Therefore the Law definitely applies to the saved otherwise it would be a get out of jail free card to sin but God is perfect in justice so He would never allow such.
Thank you. I believe the Law written in our hearts is the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) or the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). I believe the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ cannot both be obeyed. For in the Law of Moses, we are told to sacrifice animals and go to a priest. Yet in the New Testament, we go to Jesus as our Heavenly High Priest to be be forgiven. For Jesus is our Passover Lamb. Jesus referred to OT Scripture in regards to an eye for an eye. But then he said we are to now turn the other cheek instead. God blessed Solomon with great material wealth in the Old Testament. But in the New Testament, the Lord says that it is hard for a rich an to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Also, the Lord tells Peter in a vision to eat unclean animals (Which is a violation of OT Law). Paul says we are not to judge any man according to their Sabbath observance. Yet, in the OT, a man was put to death for not obeying the Sabbath. So the Law of Christ replaces the Law of Moses. Jesus said shortly before the cross that the Old was about to pass away. That's because Jesus instituted the New Covenant with his death.

Hebrews 8:13 says, "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

When Jesus says he came not to destroy the Law, he was referring to the Law and the Prophets (I.e. the whole Old Testament). What Jesus was saying is that there were still things Jesus needed to fulfill in the OT (Like His Second Coming, and the land promise to Israel, etc.). But Christ already nailed to the cross those ordinances that were against us, though. Jesus already fulfilled the Law of Moses on the cross. Now, God (Christ) has given us a new set of commands or rules in the New Testament. These rules are not to be obeyed so as to be saved in and of itself. One will naturally obey God's Commands because they have been saved. For one does not get their heart right with God by doing a bunch of good works. One gets their heart right with God by repenting of their sins and accepting the Lord as their Savior. So we are still saved by God's grace and not that of ourselves. For salvation is still a gift from God. The Lord merely does the work in a believer. So He saves us both in Justification and in Sanctification.
 
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For I say unto you, That Except your Righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in No Case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
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a Righteousness that EXCEEDS the righteousness of the religious Elite... mmmmmmm that Righteousness that EXCEEDS, GOES BEYOND, TRUMPS, the righteousness of modern day Scribes and Pharisees.... do you know what that Is?
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Matthew 23:23

They were missing "the weightier matters of the law," like "judgment, mercy, and faith." Jesus never intended them to stop doing the other things, they were just missing the whole point of the righteousness of the law. To do both of what Jesus was endorsing would be to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees.
 
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You see Christians adhering to the law? Where? That would be cool to witness, considering no one but Christ has done that.

And I do believe salvation is by Christ alone, so he's the author of my faith too. But, End Time events? I don't buy the 1850's new gospel of "End Times," so I don't play the guess-when-Christ-is-returning game. He told us not to bother trying to figure out, just be ready. Good advice.

I'm bowing out of this.
You can't discern them ? They are here. Right on this thread. I knew it would only be a matter of time before they arrived. Lolz. Blind guides are always looking for somebody to lead into a Ditch. These who " strain" at a gnat, yet swallow a camel. The roaring lion is purdy cunning , even spewing the Word of God , in his subtility. The Gift of Righteousness is a Person, the Person of Christ, many quote, spew His Words like a quickened vending machine , but You Do Not Know Him. Indeed! To Know Him is Eternal life... The Mystery of Iniquity is alive and well on this site. and it has even made its way onto this thread. I'm not surprised. It looks like the real thing . But His Elect , will Know, because He has Equipped them. Are my Words and questions hard for you to bear? And again I say unto you, no man comes to Christ, unless the Father Draws them.
 

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The Righteousness that Exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees
Hab 2v4: "...the just shall live by his faith." (with Rom 1v17, Gal 3v11, Heb 10v38)....

Yahweh Shalom
 
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No, Jesus meant what he said. If He didn't then He would have been lying. The Scriptures say the scribes and the pharisees ignored the weightier matters of the law like justice, love, and mercy. One cannot be a believer and not have these types of fruits (that come from having the Spirit) within their life.

Yes, God imputes His righteousness to the believer when they repent of their sins and accept Him as their Savior. But Christ does not impute righteousness to a believer if they then continue to be unloving, unmerciful, and unjust. Such a concept doesn't make any sense. One has to actually believe Jesus' words in the present moment of reality in real time and not in some make believe wishy wash type fantasy world that would exist within a person's mind alone. Jesus said you must actually exceed their righteousness. How does one do that? By the power of your own might? No. By the strength of your arm or flesh? No. By grafting an exoskeleton robot chasis armor onto yourself so as to force yourself to do good? No. By watching listening to a bunch of postive motivational preachers? No. The answer is in Jesus Christ and in surrendering to Him. It is in yielding to the work Christ wants to do within you. That is the answer. God does the work in you. That is how you can exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees. Not by your own power, but by the power of God that can work in you. It's not in some mental belief while one sips a soda on a beach while they destroy some kid's sand castle (Making him cry). That is not the answer. Yielding to the Lord and the work He wants to do in your life is the answer.
Wishy washy? Wow do you sound familiar. Just like my sister in law and a family member of mine who tried to poison me with their pharmaceuticals , oh about 18 years ago. These confessing Christians , but false, one has taken its place below the earth, the other one along with its pomp and rejoicing shall descend there also. This for their rebellion . indeed! When the wicked,rise a Man is hidden, but when they Perish, the Righteous increase. A few modern day Pharaohs are going to find out the reality of physical death, and how presumptuous they really were, by that time it will be toooo late. Carry on familiar one!
 
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Jason is spot on. You see this with the comment in the Bible about the law being written in our hearts, also when Jesus says he did not come to end the law, when they speak of works being performed through the Holy Spirit so no one can boast and when it is spoken of the saved passing through fire and deeds they did on their own get burned up lessening their heavenly rewards. This is important to understand, when you are saved the Holy Spirit dwells in you then inspires you to do God's will and if you refuse then you quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. Therefore the Law definitely applies to the saved otherwise it would be a get out of jail free card to sin but God is perfect in justice so He would never allow such.
Get out of jail card for free? Awe. Another familiar one. You two work together. Too bad you Don't know the Father. Familiar spirits ... You know what Christ did with devils? Oh yah ..... More mystery of iniquity appearing as servants of Righteousness . no marvel here carry on familiar one.
 
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You can't discern them ? They are here. Right on this thread. I knew it would only be a matter of time before they arrived. Lolz. Blind guides are always looking for somebody to lead into a Ditch. These who " strain" at a gnat, yet swallow a camel. The roaring lion is purdy cunning , even spewing the Word of God , in his subtility. The Gift of Righteousness is a Person, the Person of Christ, many quote, spew His Words like a quickened vending machine , but You Do Not Know Him. Indeed! To Know Him is Eternal life... The Mystery of Iniquity is alive and well on this site. and it has even made its way onto this thread. I'm not surprised. It looks like the real thing . But His Elect , will Know, because He has Equipped them. Are my Words and questions hard for you to bear? And again I say unto you, no man comes to Christ, unless the Father Draws them.
It is written...

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:3-6).
 
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Wishy washy? Wow do you sound familiar. Just like my sister in law and a family member of mine who tried to poison me with their pharmaceuticals , oh about 18 years ago. These confessing Christians , but false, one has taken its place below the earth, the other one along with its pomp and rejoicing shall descend there also. This for their rebellion . indeed! When the wicked,rise a Man is hidden, but when they Perish, the Righteous increase. A few modern day Pharaohs are going to find out the reality of physical death, and how presumptuous they really were, by that time it will be toooo late. Carry on familiar one!
I am sorry your family tried to poison you. I would never seek to do that to you or anyone. I couldn't imagine doing that even when I was an unbeliever; And especially not now after receiving Christ. Such a concept would be completely foreign to me. In fact, to say that I would do that to you when you do not know me is to accuse me falsely, dear sir. I forgive others who do wrong towards me. I seek to love my enemies and to do good unto them (and to pray for them). For Jesus set the bar or the example for us. Jesus said to the Father while on the cross to forgive those who were crucifying Him. That is the type of love that we have to have. Not by our own power or might. But by letting God in (When we repent of our sins and accept Him for real as our Saviour).
 
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Bowhunter it would be wise not to throw judgement on others without knowing their hearts. Claiming others are 'familiar spirits' without truly knowing such and soley basing it on the beliefs you wish to adhere to that others do not. Unless you can validate an ability to discern hearts rightly then I would recommend silence on this matter. You never know you could be attacking and judging one of His elect and if you recall the punishment from God for He protects His elect. Be careful with your words for there is power in them.