The Righteousness that Exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees

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​But of him you are made in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us, wisdom and sanctification , and righteousness, and redemption . 1 Cor 1 :30
 
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MyQuestion: each YEAR that goes by I see more and more 'christians'.. claiming Christ, yet aDhering to the Law, you have His Cross, then you must meet the standards of the Law.. a kind of Galatia type atmosphere, if you put it in simple terms...
Well, you know, I guess they will reap condemnation upon themselves...at least those who teach these things, because we are warned that teachers have a higher standard

Obviously, this is a demonic teaching. It puts the emphasis back on the flesh, condemns people and puts the person on the cross in the place of Jesus.

People who teach partial law or full adherence, are usually very self-righteous and quick to judge others. They seem to enjoy pointing out sin in others while ignoring the redwoods in their own eyes...just like Jesus said.

But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. Matthew 23:13

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. James 3:1


So, what happens is this:

We should expect Scripture twisters to arise within the church. We can expect to arise from within the church those who will twist the meaning of Scriptures as they interpret, apply, and teach the Bible. Peter warns us concerning false teachers in chapter 2, verse 1. Paul warns of the same danger in Acts 20:30. False teachers will arise from among the saints, twisting the truths of God’s Word and thus leading some astray. (this is a quote)

 
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Bowhunter it would be wise not to throw judgement on others without knowing their hearts. Claiming others are 'familiar spirits' without truly knowing such and soley basing it on the beliefs you wish to adhere to that others do not. Unless you can validate an ability to discern hearts rightly then I would recommend silence on this matter. You never know you could be attacking and judging one of His elect and if you recall the punishment from God for He protects His elect. Be careful with your words for there is power in them.
Yeah. God has not left us in the dark. It is urgent and yet easy in some cases, to discern the spirit behind the words

yes...there is power in words, however the evil one cannot touch us even though he sure does try and very often through those who claim to be saved and yet continue in works of darkness

The devil can always be found in church...just like when Jesus walked the streets of Jerusalem

We judge the words....not the heart...telling people not to judge is not scriptural...what do you think discernment is for?
 
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Judge Righteous Judgement... were the Words of the Master,

satan has taken and twisted, judge not lest ye be judged... into a whole new recipe of Weedy Material... smh..

this done for a purpose.. as its just another ingredient in that Mystery of Iniquity... that blows across this planet.. firming up that foundation for Daniels 70th week and man's attempt to create his/her own Eden on this planet without the Kingdom Returning as Foretold!

Righteous Discernment is there for a Reason... God wont leave His elect Blindly walking on this earth.. He gives sight and hearing to those who Genuinely Know Him..
 
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Yeah. God has not left us in the dark. It is urgent and yet easy in some cases, to discern the spirit behind the words

yes...there is power in words, however the evil one cannot touch us even though he sure does try and very often through those who claim to be saved and yet continue in works of darkness

The devil can always be found in church...just like when Jesus walked the streets of Jerusalem

We judge the words....not the heart...telling people not to judge is not scriptural...what do you think discernment is for?
Jesus said to judge righteous judgment. I don't think accusing someone that they have a desire to poison others when they have not exhibited that type of behavior is judging righteously.

Then again, this is nothing new. I have been verbally persecuted and called some pretty bad stuff by those who believe in a sin and be saved type belief.
 
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Jesus said to judge righteous judgment. I don't think accusing someone that they have a desire to poison others when they have not exhibited that type of behavior is judging righteously.

Then again, this is nothing new. I have been verbally persecuted and called some pretty bad stuff by those who believe in a sin and be saved type belief.
But Jesus said this would happen to us, though. For Jesus was persecuted by His own people.
 
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But Jesus said this would happen to us, though. For Jesus was persecuted by His own people.
" ....If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours."
~ (John 15:20 ESV).

"Blessed are ye, when
men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."~ (Matthew 5:11).
 
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But Jesus said this would happen to us, though. For Jesus was persecuted by His own people.

Take Heed that the light which is in you , be not darkness, if that is the Case, then how Great is that darkness. indeed?

Jesus as He faced the venom and self righteousness of those Scribes and PHarisees..during His Day.. No different today.. the light of the Body is the eye..
 
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Amen! Good works do not make a person righteous, obeying the law does not make a person righteous. The only thing that makes a person righteous is faith in Jesus Christ, because He, then, cleanses us from all of our unrighteousness and imputes righteousness on us by faith, not by our working for it.

The righteousness of the scribes and pharisees was self-righteousness, thinking that their obedience to the law made them more righteous than other people whom they thought were less obedient, and that's why it was also hypocrisy. Because Nobody is more righteous than anybody else.
While it is true that we cannot earn God's grace, that does not mean we do not uphold God or Christ's righteousness (that He works within us). For the Scriptures say in:

1 John 3:7 KJV

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
 
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Take Heed that the light which is in you , be not darkness, if that is the Case, then how Great is that darkness. indeed?

Jesus as He faced the venom and self righteousness of those Scribes and PHarisees..during His Day.. No different today.. the light of the Body is the eye..
Yeah, I am not sure how this passage helps you. Actually, I quoted this passage not too long ago here at CC and it actually works against the believer who either thinks they can sin and be saved or who believes they will always have some type sin in their life. However, the true believer does not make an allowance for any kind of sin. For they seek to overcome sin. Not by their own power, but by the power of God.
 
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Ember and Bowhunter clearly you are seeing what you wish to see in my words. I do not speak against the grace of God. I am grateful for it but as Jason has eloquently said no one who receives His grace would ever choose to follow the path of unrightiousness but would prefer to listen to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and battle the sins of the flesh thus producing unboastful works as a result.
 
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Walking in rightiousness includes laws such as the 10 commandments, love God with all your heart, strength, soul,and mind, love your brother as yourself. No person with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them would willingly commit the atrocities in the 10 commandment, or willingly not love God or others.
 

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For I say unto you, That Except your Righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in No Case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
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a Righteousness that EXCEEDS the righteousness of the religious Elite... mmmmmmm that Righteousness that EXCEEDS, GOES BEYOND, TRUMPS, the righteousness of modern day Scribes and Pharisees.... do you know what that Is?
The pharisees do give the tenth of they produce to God, but they fail the most important things, to be righteous also inside, and not just outside, and so to have the real love, and righteousness.

But today's christians fails those both.
 
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The pharisees do give the tenth of they produce to God, but they fail the most important things, to be righteous also inside, and not just outside, and so to have the real love, and righteousness.

But today's christians fails those both.

Who makes one Righteous ON THE INSIDE? does man do that or does God?
 
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Man's freewill can quench or grieve the Holy Spirit by refusing the path He chooses for you. He fills us with rightiousness in our spirits but our flesh and soul is still muck. We ultimately choose to respect His wishes of us and have an insatiable urge within us to do so but free will allows for sin. Refusing to listen diminishes your rewards in heaven. Also Mikko I would have liked your comment if you would not have included the blanket statement about all christians, of that I disagreed otherwise who would be left to save? No one according to that statement.
 
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The pharisees do give the tenth of they produce to God, but they fail the most important things, to be righteous also inside, and not just outside, and so to have the real love, and righteousness.

But today's christians fails those both.

His Own, those with Imputed Righteousness.... that comes from the Father, so how can Perfect Imputed Righteousness, that which is Christ's, fail? it can't, if its Grounded in Belief in His Appeasement.. and in the Solid Rock, if the Merits of that Salvation are Grounded in God Solely... NOW with man and his multiple gospels he holds out there.. yes... it would fail.. but to be honest, it was never Grounded in God's Righteousness, but in a righteousness of their own.. the flesh..... it was never God's Righteousness to begin with.. because they sought by their own works..... claiming Christ, yet adding or taking away from the Finished Work of Christ on the tree!
 
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Why is this difficult?

Maybe it might be understood better had it been written.... "Since your own acts of righteousness cannot exceed that of the Pharisees, (which doesn't do them any good, anyway), you had better grab onto the righteousness freely offered by Jesus, since that is all that will ever save you."
 
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Ember and Bowhunter clearly you are seeing what you wish to see in my words. I do not speak against the grace of God. I am grateful for it but as Jason has eloquently said no one who receives His grace would ever choose to follow the path of unrightiousness but would prefer to listen to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and battle the sins of the flesh thus producing unboastful works as a result.
nyet mr firework

yr consideration of accepting false doctrine is very clear

it also does not help to be a lapdog
 
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Man's freewill can quench or grieve the Holy Spirit by refusing the path He chooses for you. He fills us with rightiousness in our spirits but our flesh and soul is still muck. We ultimately choose to respect His wishes of us and have an insatiable urge within us to do so but free will allows for sin. Refusing to listen diminishes your rewards in heaven. Also Mikko I would have liked your comment if you would not have included the blanket statement about all christians, of that I disagreed otherwise who would be left to save? No one according to that statement.

free will? really... Only 2 wills active on this planet now.. God's Will thru His Own people, His elect, and the will of the children of disobedience.... this including religious people who are what I call 'churchianity'.... holding out the Truth in what they believe to be salvation based on their set of doctrine....and not Submitting to the Righteousness of God, which is Justification by faith, not works.. which includes Imputed Righteousness from the Father... the will of the children of disobedience? very active on here.. indeed.. thats unregenerated.. who claim to be regenerated , following God, but they dont know the Father. much like the Scribes and Pharisee's of Jesus Day. Christ's Appeasment is Perfect.. His Work perfect, those who 'claim ' Him, yet add to that or take something away.. well, they are just doing the will of the disobedient one.. and that is fallen... fallen man has free will to run and be active in his/her fallen will, but its Only God who can take and turn that around. man hates the Light as evident on this board.. and they will run to darkness, even the darkness, posing as 'light'.. thats what Daniels 70th week is all about.. indeed! but on a Global Scale.. its foreshadowing is here....

Prior to Him converting me I was running and in darkness, going one direction, work , play all that stuff.. Until He found me and saved me....and He has turned me in a whole different direction.. even my line of work.. that which is of the old man.. no longer.. but the New Man, --------> based in the bowhunting and fishing industry.. the devil and churchianity fights that.. because to them. I was saved as an infant and again as a teenager. NOT THE CASE.. 1994 in February was the Day of Salvation for me.. He ordained it.. brought it to pass. nothing I did to merit that.. NOTHING..

the illusion that man can come to God on his/her own power. .out of the blue be saved.. because he/she decided that.. mmm thats an illusion put out there by the Evil one.. the Master Called them 'tares'... men and women dont make a decision for God.. God already made that Decree before time and dirt were created.. and He will bring it to pass... because its Grounded in Him... man wasn't Created because God needed 'him/her' to complete the Mission.. nooooooo thats pride.. God created Man because He was GOOD... man's pride is going to run so deep that at the end.. he/she will 'believe' God needs him/her to build His Kingdom on this planet.. God couldnt of made it without man.. God needed Man to hold Him up.. oh the subtilty of Pride.. spiritual pride.. if it wasnt for the Cross and the One who died on it.. None of us would be Able to Obtain the Salvation God had Prepared for us... its not about 'man' and his/her free will, Salvation is about God and what He can do...
 
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Willie I could not agree more that the only way to be saved is through our Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you. If that is the one thing this thread is about and not about what happens after one is saved then I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.