The rise of the Antichrist and the last 7 years.

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Laodicea

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I think to say he breaks the COVENANT is a little bit strong. His heart is against the holy covenant;
And yet He promotes the COVENANT because he is a liar and a deceiver
Daniel 11:28Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart [shall be] against the holy covenant; and he shall do [exploits], and return to his own land.
Daniel 11:32And such as do wickedly against the COVENANT shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits].
Those verses in Dan 11 have been fulfilled and are not related to Dan 9. You are turning a holy covenant into an unholy covenant
 

TheAristocat

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I was reading over some of the prophecies given about the end times, and it's really quite fascinating. One of them says that there will be earthquakes in diverse places - which means places you wouldn't expect them to. And isn't it strange we're getting them in Washington DC, or the east coast, or Oklahoma? Food for thought there! And, based on all the economic unrest in Europe right now, the ground sure looks fertile for someone to come along promising all the easy answers to solve the many problems out there. Hmm, wonder who could do that ...?

Also, regarding the Antichrist, a radio pastor I listen to said that one of the theories as to who he would be was that he would somehow be Nero come back, based on Revelations 17: 10-11. He didn't say it WOULD be Nero, just that it was one of many guesses as to who it would be.
Yeah, from what I seem to remember I've heard that the numerical value of Nero's name was something like 666. I'm not sure, but I think at the time Revelation was written the Hebrew alephbet had numerical values for each letter and Revelation talks about the Mark of the Beast being the number of its name or its name, itself. Of course there are others who say the Mark of the Beast is 616. Anyway, I would hate to say anything for sure, but who were the people that destroyed the second temple as prophesied in Daniel? I believe the Romans fit that bill. So are the Romans going to be the "people of the ruler who will come"? Who wants to start this new global economy? The Pope. What can't the people do without the Mark of the Beast? Buy or sell. Is the figure of the Beast strongly associated with a religion? Yes. Anyone who worships the Beast will have the Mark of the Beast and will be able to buy and sell.

I don't want to imply anything except that I see a lot of flashing neon signs pointing to the above individual's position. But such an assumption still leaves something to be desired. There are some unanswered questions as of yet in my own mind.

Pope calls for 'God-centered' global economy - USATODAY.com

(As an aside I don't know if worshipping the Beast is required to receive the Mark, but they seem to be linked for the most part, and punishment is always doled out on those who have been said not only to have received the Mark but also to have worshipped the Beast. I kind of doubt God would punish someone who unwilfully received the Mark but had not worshipped the Beast, so I tend to think that you can't receive the Mark without worshipping the Beast.)
 
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ib4gzus

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There is no such thing as a 7yrs tribulation taught in scripture. The bible clearly states the anti christ rule will be 42 months
better read it again.:)
7 Year Tribulation is going to happen.
 
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peterT

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#64
better read it again.:)
7 Year Tribulation is going to happen.
Where does it say that?

Where does it say it’s a seven year tribulation?

It’s a seven year period with great tribulation for the last 3/12 years.

Jesus said in

Matt24: 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
 
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Laodicea

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Where does it say that?

Where does it say it’s a seven year tribulation?

It’s a seven year period with great tribulation for the last 3/12 years.

Jesus said in

Matt24: 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Another problem with this theory is that you are using the year/day principle for Daniel 9:27 the final week but you fit in the 42 months,1260 days into this period. If the final week is the year/day principle then the 42 months must be as well if you are going to combine the 2 together. You cannot have within the same time period literal time and symbolic time. If the one week is symbolic then the 42 months must also be symbolic if they are part of the one week.
 
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peterT

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Another problem with this theory is that you are using the year/day principle for Daniel 9:27 the final week but you fit in the 42 months,1260 days into this period. If the final week is the year/day principle then the 42 months must be as well if you are going to combine the 2 together. You cannot have within the same time period literal time and symbolic time. If the one week is symbolic then the 42 months must also be symbolic if they are part of the one week.
what symbolic times?

42 months is 1260 days.

According to the old Jewish calendar 30 day in a month
and 42 months is 3 ½ years
and a time times and ½ of a time is 3 ½ years.

what symbolic times?

 
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peterT

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Another problem with this theory is that you are using the year/day principle for Daniel 9:27 the final week but you fit in the 42 months,1260 days into this period. If the final week is the year/day principle then the 42 months must be as well if you are going to combine the 2 together. You cannot have within the same time period literal time and symbolic time. If the one week is symbolic then the 42 months must also be symbolic if they are part of the one week.
Genesis 29:27Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years
That’s the way they spoke, one week is 7 years that’s not symbolic that’s a fact, that’s the way they spoke.
 
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Laodicea

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what symbolic times?

42 months is 1260 days.

According to the old Jewish calendar 30 day in a month
and 42 months is 3 ½ years
and a time times and ½ of a time is 3 ½ years.

what symbolic times?

You are using the year/day principle for the 70th week in Daniel so why don't you use the year/day principle for the 42 months which you make a part of the 7 years or 70th week? Especially since the 42 months is in the midst of symbolic prophecy Please explain why you use the year/day principle for one and not the other?
 
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peterT

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You are using the year/day principle for the 70th week in Daniel so why don't you use the year/day principle for the 42 months which you make a part of the 7 years or 70th week? Especially since the 42 months is in the midst of symbolic prophecy Please explain why you use the year/day principle for one and not the other?
Sorry don’t know what you are talking about. What is a year/day principle?
 
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Laodicea

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Sorry don’t know what you are talking about. What is a year/day principle?
Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Let me ask you a question, why do you have the 70th week in Daniel 9:27 as 7 years when it is 7 days? Based on this principle 42 months would be 1260 years not 1260 literal days.


 
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peterT

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Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Let me ask you a question, why do you have the 70th week in Daniel 9:27 as 7 years when it is 7 days? Based on this principle 42 months would be 1260 years not 1260 literal days.

Sorry you lost me.
So 7 years in Daniel 9:27 are seven days. But one day is a year.
i Still don’t get it.

just a minit i think i got it.

"70th week in Daniel 9:27 as 7 years"

No daniel 9:72 is a week = 7 years
 
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Laodicea

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Sorry you lost me.
So 7 years in Daniel 9:27 are seven days. But one day is a year.
i Still don’t get it.

just a minit i think i got it.

"70th week in Daniel 9:27 as 7 years"

No daniel 9:72 is a week = 7 years
OK so if a week (7 days) in Daniel 9:27 is 7 years then what about the 42 months? According to that principle it should be 1260 years
 
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peterT

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OK so if a week (7 days) in Daniel 9:27 is 7 years then what about the 42 months? According to that principle it should be 1260 years
sorry still dont get it.

Daniel 9:27 is confirmed by Jesus as being seven years. For He said When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation. Then great tribulation will begin and we know that the great tribulation is 3 ½ years

And in Daniel 9:27 you first see abomination of desolation in the middle of the week, that makes it a seven year paired

Jesus said when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation. Then great tribulation will begin and we know that the great tribulation is 3 ½ years.

So Jesus conformed it and Genesis conforms it.

Genesis 29:27Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
 
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Laodicea

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sorry still dont get it.

Daniel 9:27 is confirmed by Jesus as being seven years. For He said When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation. Then great tribulation will begin and we know that the great tribulation is 3 ½ years

And in Daniel 9:27 you first see abomination of desolation in the middle of the week, that makes it a seven year paired

Jesus said when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation. Then great tribulation will begin and we know that the great tribulation is 3 ½ years.

So Jesus conformed it and Genesis conforms it.

Genesis 29:27Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
Because you are putting the 42 months into the 70th week of Daniel then because the 70th week is 7 years then the 42 months could also be the day/year principle. Which means the 42 months do not fit into the 70th week because it is 1260 years As I said explain why in one passage you use the day/year principle but in the other you do not? You must show from the Bible your answer.
 
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peterT

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Because you are putting the 42 months into the 70th week of Daniel then because the 70th week is 7 years then the 42 months could also be the day/year principle. Which means the 42 months do not fit into the 70th week because it is 1260 years As I said explain why in one passage you use the day/year principle but in the other you do not? You must show from the Bible your answer.
Who is putting the 42 months into the Seventy weeks? Not me…
 
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Laodicea

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Who is putting the 42 months into the Seventy weeks? Not me…
I have seen you quote the 70th week of Daniel saying it is divided into 2 parts of 3.5 years each and the 2nd part is the 42 months, correct me if I am wrong but could you please explain what you believe on the 70th week of Daniel 9 and the 42 weeks? Maybe a chart then I can know what your position is
 
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peterT

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I have seen you quote the 70th week of Daniel saying it is divided into 2 parts of 3.5 years each and the 2nd part is the 42 months, correct me if I am wrong but could you please explain what you believe on the 70th week of Daniel 9 and the 42 weeks? Maybe a chart then I can know what your position is
I have never quoted the 70th week of Daniel until having this debate with you today. Sorry.

You want me to believe that the tribulation is 1260 years.

You want me to believe that 42 months is 1260 years.

This is never going to happen.
 
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Laodicea

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#78
I have never quoted the 70th week of Daniel until having this debate with you today. Sorry.

You want me to believe that the tribulation is 1260 years.

You want me to believe that 42 months is 1260 years.

This is never going to happen.
I believe that the 1260 day prophecy has already been fulfilled Can you show me what you believe in relation to the 70th week of Daniel and the 42 months?
Do you have a chart with the timelines?
 
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Laodicea

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#79
The rise of the Antichrist and the last 7 years.

Paul called him the man of sin.

John called him the wicked one

Jesus called him the prince of this world.

Daniel called him prince.

Daniel9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined
Daniel 9:27 And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (7 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Some Christians would have you believe that this is talking about the covenant with Abraham and (HE) in Daniel 9:27 is not the Antichrist its Jesus, and in the middle of the week its Jesus that sets up the abomination of desolation.

There is no evidence in the Bible that the Jesus ever confirmed any covenant for a time period of seven years.

Some Christians would have you believe that there is no great tribulation for the last three and a half years, there is no great tribulation for 1260 day, and there is no great tribulation for 42 months, and there is no great tribulation for a time times and ½ of time.Rv11. Rv12. Rv13.

According the laws of the lands and on this website they are aloud there opinion and we are aloud are opinion too.
They my say you are wilfully blind and that we love are doctrine more than we love truth, but it’s just that we love sound doctrine more than there doctrine.

There words remind me of the counsel that some of us will be brought before in the latter days “is not the Antichrist its Jesus”J

Jesus tells us what to look for about the end of the world and his coming and when the great tribulation will begin in Matt 24

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

But Some Christians would have you believe that this is fulfilled even tho it’s taking about the end of the world and Jesus’s coming.

Matt24;3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Daniel 9:27 And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

To support or establish. HE confirms with others the covenant with many for one week. “7 years”

Some Christians say that it’s a peace agreement between Israel and Palestinians. I have heard this since the 70s

There is no evidence in the Bible that the Jesus ever confirmed any covenant for a time period of seven years.

Stand firm keep your faith for in the end they will not endure sound doctrine.

“is not the Antichrist its Jesus” J . This is going to be a very popular saying one day soon.
The part I highlighted in blue shows that you do put the 42 months within the 70th week