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Appreciate your service.

Thanks Be Unto God, we are "under His GRACE," And NOT: "Under The Law!!"

See you In His Great GloryLand!! ♫ 😇 ↑

Amen.
Reluctantly I assure you. I was at risk for about a week as we withdrew Australia's forces from Vietnam. The captain refused to anchor overnight as there was risk of attack from swimmers. I could see explosions over the horizon. The South Vietnamese had small armoured patrol boats. They zipped around throwing grenades into the water. It was tense but not frightening. I did pray more than usual though..........
 

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Okay ..
The same issues are presented again...

THE OLD AND NEW COVENANTS

This has been dealt with but people don't seem to listen.

The old and new covenants do not mean the 10 commandments changed in any way.

Heb 8 begins by talking about the true sanctuary.... and comparing the heavenly and earthly ..... A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

It is clear that the shadow was of the heavenly things.... the Earthly sanctuary was a shadow of the heavenly. A pattern of the heavenly and Jesus is not an earthly priest.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant. Established on better promises.....
In context the better is Jesus being our high preist in heaven, much better then lambs and goats on earth.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Why was there fault with the first???

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Israel failed to continue in the covenant.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.


7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

We're the 10 commandments faulty? No God gave them and He does not give us faulty Commandments. Israel didn't see the heavenly in the shadow. They failed to understand the meaning of the Earthly sanctuary.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel

findind fault with Israel, God set up a new covenant. And God said He will put His laws in our minds and hearts.

The shadow that was given to Israel is not able to save and is ready to vanish away. The sanctuary was to point Israel to the coming Christ. the sanctuary laws and offerings were replaced by the true lamb at the cross.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 9:1-2
1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

It explains the Earthly tabernacle and what it contained.

Heb 9:9-15
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

A shadow that could not save them

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


The old was a figure, a shadow of the better.... the old could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; the old was faulty because it couldn't save us.

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle. The old system was not able to save anyone but Christ can and the new is perfect. Not by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, (covenant) that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament (covenant) they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

By reading things in context it makes a lot more sense.... the 10 commandments have not changed or been removed. The shadow laws have been replaced by the better system in heaven.
 

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Through the law I died to the law so that I might live to Christ. (Galatians 2:19). No one prosecutes a dead person. Oh, except you, perhaps. Or you try.
To be dead to the flesh = that you no longer live for self.... the Spirit controls you because self is dead.
If God is controlling you will you lie?
Will you sin?
Will you transgress God's law?

No

Sin is the transgression of the law.

There is no condemnation when you are 100 percent controlled by the Spirit of God because you do not sin.

Do you sin ????
If you sin you are not dead to the flesh at that time...

Rom 8:4-6
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Spirit and Flesh. One or the other....

Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

when we are dead to the flesh we are not under sin and the law can't condemn us.

By grace Jesus will forgive and save us from the condemnation if we believe.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 

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No one prosecutes a dead person. Oh, except you, perhaps. Or you try.
It's not about prosecuting.

We all sin (transgress the law) and need grace. We are all guilty and need salvation.

It is about faith.

If you keep the law to be saved you will fail. But .... but .... if you love Jesus you will keep the law.

Faith without works is dead
Love does not kill
Love does not lie
Love does not covet
And love for God does not take His name in vain.
And because God said remember the sabbath day and to keep it holy, love also obeys the 4th commandment.

We are free from the law because Jesus paid the price but that does not give us freedom to sin.

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
 

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On a more serious point now.

If I was to quote the following verses to someone.

Matthew 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do so that I may obtain eternal life?”
17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you
want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not
commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not give false testimony;
19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself
.”

Giving another person the impression that all they had to do to obtain eternal life. Are the
six commandments Jesus quoted above. Please note; the young man said, "which ones", the
young man specifically said which of the commandments matter Jesus.

That is the literal reading of Matthew 19:16-19, with no interpretation.

Is a person saved by obedience to those six commandments because those
are the exact words of Jesus?!

Jesus said to the young man that was all he had to do in Matthew 19:16-19.

"if you want to enter life, keep the commandments", but which ones!

Good Sabbath and peace Inquisitor,

YOU cannot use a few verses to describe to someone how to obtain eternal life it would be completely inadequate and lacking. Jesus addressing the rich man who was probably a Jew who knew the commandments well and also most likely knew the rest of the law of Moses, used a simpler form to convey the importance of following the commandments. Here is the rest of the conversation, lets have look;

Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

(this says that the young man knew about the commandments and followed them, but...)

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

(Jesus knowing the heart of the Young man asked him to correct what he was doing wrong, in this instance depending on his riches instead of depending on GOD's words, Money was more important to him than GOD and Jesus knew this)

Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

The young man INDEED loved his riches more than GOD who said, "You shall have no other gods before Me" also the population was poor then, He could if he loved the people around him help out but would have lost this riches as it was more important to him then helping out...

Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mat 19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

We have to remember that with God all things are possible, having faith in GOD and knowing his words is important.
 

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It'a clear you don't believe what Paul wrote and are unable to distinguish the differences between the new and old covenants. Christ didn't leave love undefined. He said it was doing to others as we would want others to do to us. Its clear you don't believe his words either.
please explain it to us and lets have a closer look at what all scripture says;
 

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Whether the jot and tittle of the law still exist or not is moot because no believer who has been baptized into Christ's death is under the jot and tittle, ie under the law's authority. Under authority means it can't tell us what to do or condemn us; only Christ can, and Christ says that when we love our neighbor as ourselves we have fulfilled the righteous demands of the law. Welcome to the new covenant
Jesus added more than that. You are missing the Key Point.
 

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We never had free will, we are not good people, we cannot obey the law.

We are self centered, conceited, backstabbing, treacherous creatures.

We would never choose Jesus over the devil.

Not unless God intervenes.

Can you accept what Jesus was saying?

WE HAVE FREE WILL SEE BELOW:

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
 
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Jesus added more than that. You are missing the Key Point.
Everything God has ever said hangs on two commandments that can be summarized in one commandment. He didn't say those 2 commandments are a foundation to build upon with lots of additional commandments, but that all commandments derive from those two. You could cut loose all of the other commandments and you would still have those 2 commandments.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:37-40
Those two commandments are summarized into one. How many times does this have to be repeated until it sinks into stiffnecked hearts?

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Romans 13:8
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:10
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Galatians 5:14
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: James 2:8
 

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Good Sabbath and peace Inquisitor,

YOU cannot use a few verses to describe to someone how to obtain eternal life it would be completely inadequate and lacking. Jesus addressing the rich man who was probably a Jew who knew the commandments well and also most likely knew the rest of the law of Moses, used a simpler form to convey the importance of following the commandments. Here is the rest of the conversation, lets have look;

Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

(this says that the young man knew about the commandments and followed them, but...)

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

(Jesus knowing the heart of the Young man asked him to correct what he was doing wrong, in this instance depending on his riches instead of depending on GOD's words, Money was more important to him than GOD and Jesus knew this)

Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

The young man INDEED loved his riches more than GOD who said, "You shall have no other gods before Me" also the population was poor then, He could if he loved the people around him help out but would have lost this riches as it was more important to him then helping out...

Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mat 19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

We have to remember that with God all things are possible, having faith in GOD and knowing his words is important.
You have refuted the concept of free will.

It is impossible for mankind to choose life over death, man cannot choose life.

Have you forgotten that God already destroyed humanity but chose Noah?

Jesus told you directly that mankind will not choose life but will always choose death.

The apostles did not choose to follow Jesus nor did anyone else.

God must act first before anyone can be saved as it is impossible for man to save himself.
 

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It's not about prosecuting.

We all sin (transgress the law) and need grace. We are all guilty and need salvation.

It is about faith.

If you keep the law to be saved you will fail. But .... but .... if you love Jesus you will keep the law.

Faith without works is dead
Love does not kill
Love does not lie
Love does not covet
And love for God does not take His name in vain.
And because God said remember the sabbath day and to keep it holy, love also obeys the 4th commandment.

We are free from the law because Jesus paid the price but that does not give us freedom to sin.

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
You need to exercise your free will and stop sinning.

Every time you sin you have chosen death.

Jesus told the rich young man the six commandments to obey.

Matthew 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do so that I may obtain eternal life?”
17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you
want to enter life, keep the commandments.

18 Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not
commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not give false testimony;
19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself
.”

The six commandments, Jesus did not quote the sabbath.

The rich young ruler could not exercise faith in Jesus because Jesus. Had not yet provided
the pathway that the rich young ruler could walk. The only folk that followed Jesus were
those chosen to follow Him. Yet they deserted Jesus before and after the trial. God must
always act first and you do not have free will. Even the chosen ended up choosing death.

You cannot see clearly that we are driven to choose death.
 
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To be dead to the flesh = that you no longer live for self.... the Spirit controls you because self is dead.
If God is controlling you will you lie?
Will you sin?
Will you transgress God's law?

No
Well, we have a little problem here...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Who was this written to?

1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life—
1Jn 1:2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us—
1Jn 1:3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.

He was writing to the Church.

Sin is the transgression of the law.

There is no condemnation when you are 100 percent controlled by the Spirit of God because you do not sin.

Do you sin ????
If you sin you are not dead to the flesh at that time...

Rom 8:4-6
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Spirit and Flesh. One or the other....

Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

when we are dead to the flesh we are not under sin and the law can't condemn us.

By grace Jesus will forgive and save us from the condemnation if we believe.

Rom 3:31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
To be dead to the flesh = that you no longer live for self.... the Spirit controls you because self is dead.
If God is controlling you will you lie?
Will you sin?
Will you transgress God's law?

No

Sin is the transgression of the law.

There is no condemnation when you are 100 percent controlled by the Spirit of God because you do not sin.
Again,the Apostle John disagrees with you...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Do you sin ????
If you sin you are not dead to the flesh at that time...

Rom 8:4-6
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Spirit and Flesh. One or the other....

Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

when we are dead to the flesh we are not under sin and the law can't condemn us.

By grace Jesus will forgive and save us from the condemnation if we believe.

Rom 3:31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Yes, but we do not become perfect until the resurrection into the Kingdom...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY."

The Apostle Paul taught he (and we) become incorruptible after the resurrection into the Family.

Php 3:12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,

Conversion is a lifelong process.
 

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Everything God has ever said hangs on two commandments that can be summarized in one commandment. He didn't say those 2 commandments are a foundation to build upon with lots of additional commandments, but that all commandments derive from those two. You could cut loose all of the other commandments and you would still have those 2 commandments.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:37-40
Those two commandments are summarized into one. How many times does this have to be repeated until it sinks into stiffnecked hearts?

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Romans 13:8
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:10
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Galatians 5:14
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: James 2:8
Are you saying that because the law in summed up in LOVE, love your neighbour and Love God, that makes the other laws void?

Do the 10 commandments become void or are they an expansion of the 2 laws of love?
 
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Are you saying that because the law in summed up in LOVE, love your neighbour and Love God, that makes the other laws void?

Do the 10 commandments become void or are they an expansion of the 2 laws of love?
The 10 have been rendered useless. The 10 commandments demand love; there's no other purpose for them. God is love. God said be like me. God forgave us, took away our fear and gave us his spirit of love so we can act like him. When we love we are doing what the 10 commandments require. So what use is the law except for edification?
 

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You need to exercise your free will and stop sinning.

Every time you sin you have chosen death.

Jesus told the rich young man the six commandments to obey.

Matthew 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do so that I may obtain eternal life?”
17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you
want to enter life, keep the commandments.

18 Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not
commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not give false testimony;
19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself
.”

The six commandments, Jesus did not quote the sabbath.

The rich young ruler could not exercise faith in Jesus because Jesus. Had not yet provided
the pathway that the rich young ruler could walk. The only folk that followed Jesus were
those chosen to follow Him. Yet they deserted Jesus before and after the trial. God must
always act first and you do not have free will. Even the chosen ended up choosing death.

You cannot see clearly that we are driven to choose death.
We are guilty and sinful... but Jesus came to save us. Save us by forgiving our passed sins and save us by setting us free from the slavery we are stuck in.

By freeing us of the chains that keep us sinning..
Jesus is able to free us from sin. JESUS CAN free us from slavery.

We do have choice, free choice, if we let Jesus into our hearts.

He always wants to save us.

He stands at the door and knocks,, we can let him in or not.
We choose.

The quote above is about Matt 19
Jesus did not quote every commandment.
The but it is still a sin to take the Lord's name in vain. It is a sin to have other gods before the Almighty God.

The 10 commandments are 10, not 9 or 6 or the ones that suit you.
 

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l, we have a little problem here...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Who was this written to?
You and me.
I have always said we need salvation from sin.. we have all sinned and need to confess our sins.
 
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The 10 have been rendered useless. The 10 commandments demand love; there's no other purpose for them. God is love. God said be like me. God forgave us, took away our fear and gave us his spirit of love so we can act like him. When we love we are doing what the 10 commandments require. So what use is the law except for edification?
You are kidding, right?

The Law that says we should not kill has become useless? The Law concerning Adultery? How about lying?

The real understanding here is the first 4 Commandments tell us how to love God, The 5th one is a transition. Our physical parent but more importantly our Heavenly Parent. The last 5 tell us how to love our neighbor.

As far as what use is the Law?

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, Yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned, And in keeping them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? Cleanse me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins; Let them not have dominion over me. Then I shall be blameless, And I shall be innocent of great transgression.
Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my strength and my Redeemer.
 

TMS

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Yes, but we do not become perfect until the resurrection into the Kingdom...
I did not say we are perfect. I do not believe you understand what I was saying.... read it again... I said when we have 100 percent died to the flesh and allow the holy Spirit to 100 percent control us we are not going to sin.
I was saying what Gal 5:16 is.
The Holy Spirit can't sin...

I did not say we are 100 percent controlled by the Spirit.

I aim to be but the flesh comes to life and I sometimes fail to obey. Selfish fleshly feeling sometimes cause me to sin..

But if I am surrender to the Spirit of God and have died to the flesh, the Spirit will control me.

Mat 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Rom 8:4-6 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
 

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We are guilty and sinful... but Jesus came to save us. Save us by forgiving our passed sins and save us by setting us free from the slavery we are stuck in.

By freeing us of the chains that keep us sinning..
Jesus is able to free us from sin. JESUS CAN free us from slavery.

We do have choice, free choice, if we let Jesus into our hearts.

He always wants to save us.

He stands at the door and knocks,, we can let him in or not.
We choose.

The quote above is about Matt 19
Jesus did not quote every commandment.
The but it is still a sin to take the Lord's name in vain. It is a sin to have other gods before the Almighty God.

The 10 commandments are 10, not 9 or 6 or the ones that suit you.
If we are set free from sin why are we in constant conflict within?

Why is there a conflict between the flesh and the Spirit?

Jesus must act first at all times otherwise, we cannot continue.

Jesus must draw us at all times because we cannot do it ourselves.

I don't think we are truly set free until He returns and we are changed.

Surely your not going to say that you can by an act of willpower, your choosing
right from wrong, life from death. Remember that no one is righteous not even
one. How can the unrighteous choose by an act of willpower life over death?

Jesus nominated the six commandments not the ten to the rich young ruler.

Do you have an example in the New Testament where someone says the ten?