the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessing]

Are you purposely being obtuse, or do you really not understand that circumcision was the seal of being in covenant with God, which is why the house of Israel was called the circumcision? Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 years old in obedience to the law of the covenant. You teach the law with such confidence. but don't know basic facts about the bible.

Now the end of the commandment is love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside into vain words, desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they confidently affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1 Timothy 1:5-9​

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Where does it say circumcision ended in the New Covenant? The only thing Paul taught it was never meant to be kept for salvation, which is what the Jew taught and Paul corrected. Acts 15:1 Gal 2:3 etc.

There are many health benefits for physical circumcision millions if not billions keep to this day. Circumcision was never in the Ten Commandments though, a different covenant, with different meanings.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Lev 23:27-28 &32 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. 28And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God........ 32It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest,

Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

So the first day is a sabbath, the 10th day is a sabbath, the 15th day is a sabbath and 8 days later is a sabbath.

Seems to me that God is calling other days sabbath other than just the 7th or Saturday. If the first sabbath on the first day is Saturday then no way 10 days later is it Saturday then 5 days later is sabbath again and then 8 days later again sabbath. I don't think the math holds to your definitive statement that sabbath can only refer to Saturday.

The math says that if the first day is Saturday then the 10th day is Tuesday then 5 days later is Sunday and 8 days after that is Monday.
Yet God called those days a sabbath. So is only the 7th day Saturday called by the name of sabbath by God?

God only called the weekly Sabbath- His Sabbath, His holy day. Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13

The verses you quoted in Lev 23 are the annual sabbath(s) except noted such as Lev 23:3

The weekly Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11 when God made everything according to His perfect will until sin.

The annual sabbath(s) and annual holy feast day ordinances written by Moses, was added after sin pointing forward to Christ. 1 Cor 5:7

 

[stilllearning]

God only called the weekly Sabbath- His Sabbath, His holy day. Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13

The verses you quoted in Lev 23 are the annual sabbath(s) except noted such as Lev 23:3

The weekly Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11 when God made everything according to His perfect will until sin.

The annual sabbath(s) ordinances that are the feast days was added after sin.

Yet these other days God called holy as well. So God can and does in fact call other days other than Saturday holy correct? As well as days of convocation correct?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Yet these other days God called holy as well. So God can and does in fact call other days other than Saturday holy correct? As well as days of convocation correct?

Yes, the annual holy feast days that some were sabbath(s) that had to do with animal sacrifices, food and drink offerings all fulfilled in Christ. Col 2:14-17 Heb 10:1-22 Heb 9:9-11, Eph 2:15

The weekly Sabbath God separated - it was part of Creation before sin. The annual feast days and sabbath(s) ordinances added after sin and it is a commandment of God, written by the finger of God.

 

[stilllearning]

Yes, the annual holy feast days that some were sabbath(s) that had to do with animal sacrifices, food and drink offerings all fulfilled in Christ. Col 2:14-17 Heb 10:1-22 Heb 9:9-11, Eph 2:15

The weekly Sabbath God separated - it was part of Creation before sin. The annual feast days and sabbath(s) ordinances added after sin and it is a commandment of God, written by the finger of God.

What I am getting at is that other days are indeed called holy by God and they were days of convocation. Which runs opposite of your post I quoted where you said that Saturday is the only day God named sabbath and the day to have a convocation. When God ordained other days than just Saturday for such purpose.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

What I am getting at is that other days are indeed called holy by God and they were days of convocation. Which runs opposite of your post I quoted where you said that Saturday is the only day God named sabbath and the day to have a convocation. When God ordained other days than just Saturday for such purpose.

The annual holy day ordinances served a difference purpose than the weekly Sabbath commandment. They were added after sin, they were never God's intention. The weekly Sabbath is the holy day of the Lord, He called it My holy day Isa 58:13 and there is no other day He said this about. He commanded man, to also keep the weekly Sabbath day holy Exo 20:8-11 made for mankind to bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify Eze 20:11 because we can't sanctify ourselves, we need God for everything

 

[stilllearning]

The annual holy day ordinances served a difference purposes than the weekly Sabbath commandment.

Both are ordained to acknowledge God correct? Both days of rest and to reflect on his greatness. Both to give him glory. So does get more glory if we acknowledge his greatness on the 7th day vs if we acknowledge his greatness on Monday?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Are you purposely being obtuse, or do you really not understand that circumcision was the seal of being in covenant with God, which is why the house of Israel was called the circumcision? Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 years old in obedience to the law of the covenant. You teach the law with such confidence. but don't know basic facts about the bible.

Now the end of the commandment is love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside into vain words, desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they confidently affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1 Timothy 1:5-9​

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Did Paul live in the Old Covenant or New Covenant?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Both are ordained to acknowledge God correct? Both days of rest and to reflect on his greatness. Both to give him glory. So does get more glory if we acknowledge his greatness on the 7th day vs if we acknowledge his greatness on Monday?

We should acknowledge God's greatness every day and worship Him 365 24/7, but that does not delete our moral obligation to obey God's commandments, the way He said.

 

[stilllearning]

We should acknowledge God's greatness every day and worship Him 365, but that does not delete our moral obligation to obey God's commandments.

I am just curious is all because not knowing your full beliefs and conscience before God which I would never ask you to violate. Just when I see in writ like you had, the underlining is usually that only Saturday is the day we can worship God and be our church day. So curious if that is your belief or that you believe that Sunday can be the day of church and as holy to God as Saturday church is.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Did Paul live in the Old Covenant or New Covenant?

Old until Damascus conversion, new after that

 

[Cameron143]

Did Paul live in the Old Covenant or New Covenant?

Both.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I am just curious is all because not knowing your full beliefs and conscience before God which I would never ask you to violate. Just when I see in writ like you had, the underlining is usually that only Saturday is the day we can worship God and be our church day. So curious if that is your belief or that you believe that Sunday can be the day of church and as holy to God as Saturday church is.

We should worship God every day, 365 24/7

God created us and knows our needs. God worked six days and rested on the seventh day for man's example Gen 2:1-3, He blessed and sanctified the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3. This was God's perfect plan before sin.

God created man in His own image and likeness Gen 1:26 and made the Sabbath for man Mark 2:27 to bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 because we can't sanctify ourselves, we need God.

God knows we need physical rest from our labors so gives us 6 days to get our work done, and He only asked for one day back dedicated fully for Him, the seventh day Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13. Some might think its just a day and what does a day matter- God was very specific, just like He was in the garden over a tree. As it turned out a tree matters and so does a day Eze 22:26.

Despite the majority disagreeing, the Ten Commandments were never multiple choice or suggestions. Man is the one who said we can forget God's Sabbath, God said Remember. Following man's rules over obeying the commandments of God is not the path Jesus told us to follow, that one He said ends up in a ditch, which means off the narrow path Mat 15:1-14

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Old until Damascus conversion, new after that

You do know the New Covenant started with Jesus He is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 walking in His footsteps 1 Peter 2:21-22 and His covenant was ratified by His blood. There is nothing that says the New Covenant started after Paul's conversion, this takes away what Jesus did at the Cross. The covenant is about Christ, not Paul.

But even so after Paul's conversion, he had Timothy circumcised Acts 16:3 so all the things you said to me about not understanding the difference of the NC you can say that to Paul.

 

[stilllearning]

We should worship God every day, 365 24/7

God created us and knows our needs. God worked six days and rested on the seventh day for man's example Gen 2:1-3, He blessed and sanctified the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3. This was God's perfect plan before sin.

God created man in His own image and likeness Gen 1:26 and made the Sabbath for man Mark 2:27 to bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 because we can't sanctify ourselves, we need God.

God knows we need physical rest from our labors so gives us 6 days to get our work done, and He only asked for one day back dedicated fully for Him, the seventh day Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13. Some might think its just a day and what does a day matter- God was very specific, just like He was in the garden over a tree. As it turned out a tree matters and so does a day Eze 22:26.

Despite the majority disagreeing, the Ten Commandments were never multiple choice or suggestions. Man is the one who said we can forget God's Sabbath, God said Remember. Following man's rules over obeying the commandments of God is not the path Jesus told us to follow, that one He said ends up in a ditch, which means off the narrow path Mat 15:1-14

I appreciate your response and honesty but I am still unclear as to what your answer is to my question. I reckon to be pointed as perhaps my question was not direct enough which is on me.

Do you believe that Saturday is the day that God has ordained for church. Is going to church on Saturday what we should do since it is the sabbath. Or it does not matter as Saturday and Sunday is all the same for going to a weekly service.

 

[TMS]

Moses' law was the commandment of God... for those under the old covenant, to whom Jesus spoke those words. He didn't speak them to those under the new covenant because it didn't exist yet. New covenant, new law

Which law in the new Testament is new?

The Bible is clear, you keep going around in circles.

Jesus was also under the old covenant and therefore under its law. He was judged by that law and died and is risen and therefore is no longer under that law. And neither are we because we also are dead to that law through him (even though we were never under it in the first place). If you want to be under that law, that's your choice, but you will never find life under the law that both Peter and Paul called a yoke of bondage

Jesus kept both the laws of Moses and God's laws. Jesus was perfect. If the burdensome law was nailed to the cross, how are we dead to that law. We have never been under it?

The problem is with your understanding of the laws...
There are the laws of Moses written in a book, placed on the side of the ark, and the law of God written by God, complete and perfect, written on stone and placed inside the ark under the mercy seat.

Correct, but Peter and Paul said the law of Moses is burdensome, which proves that old and new covenant law are not the same law.

You are getting close.... with the above statement... there are 2 laws one was a burden one is a delight.

With all the bible verses quoting the 10 commandments after the cross surely the law that is a delight is the 10 commandments... law of liberty... James2.
Roms 13 is clear that love is the fulfilling of the law.
Rom 13:9-10 KJV 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

This law still applies today. The law is spiritual but that means we will
Practice it as a natural result of the Spirit being in us.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You do know the New Covenant started with Jesus He is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 walking in His footsteps 1 Peter 2:21-22 and His covenant was ratified by His blood. There is nothing that says the New Covenant started after Paul's conversion, this takes away what Jesus did at the Cross. The covenant is about Christ, not Paul.

But even so after Paul's conversion, he had Timothy circumcised Acts 16:3 so all the things you said to me about not understanding the difference of the NC you can say that to Paul.

The new covenant started for Paul at his conversion. He had Timothy circumcised because Timothy was a Jew and Paul was ministering to the Jews at the time, so he was trying to avoid problems with them.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Which law in the new Testament is new?

Love

Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 1 John 2:8-10​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

This law still applies today.

If that's the measure of your faith, so be it unto you.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I appreciate your response and honesty but I am still unclear as to what your answer is to my question. I reckon to be pointed as perhaps my question was not direct enough which is on me.

Do you believe that Saturday is the day that God has ordained for church. Is going to church on Saturday what we should do since it is the sabbath. Or it does not matter as Saturday and Sunday is all the same for going to a weekly service.

Thanks for clarifying the question.

I like to go by what the bible says

This is what God said:

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

A holy convocation is a holy gathering like Chruch

Did this change in the New Testament?

Not by Jesus

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Did it change after the Cross?

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Not by the apostle's

Does it change in the New Heaven and New Earth

Yes. Only because now instead of worshipping Christ in spirit, the saints will be in His physical presence, but the Sabbath remains just as what was promised and how it was meant to be at Creation Gen 2:1-3

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.