the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessing]

The new covenant started for Paul at his conversion. He had Timothy circumcised because Timothy was a Jew and Paul was ministering to the Jews at the time, so he was trying to avoid problems with them.

I see you quoted "you" but I only care about scripture.

Timothy was not a Jew.

Acts 16:3 Paul wanted to have him go on with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in that region, for they all knew that his father was Greek.

 

[stilllearning]

Thanks for clarifying the question.

I like to go by what the bible says

This is what God said:

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

A holy convocation is a holy gathering like Chruch

Did this change in the New Testament?

Not by Jesus

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Did it change after the Cross?

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Not by the apostle's

Does it change in the New Heaven and New Earth

Yes. Only because now instead of worshipping Christ in spirit, the saints will be in His physical presence, but the Sabbath remains just as what was promised and how it was meant to be at Creation Gen 2:1-3

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Thank you I appreciate your honest answer. I hope you have a great day and again thanks

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Thank you I appreciate your honest answer. I hope you have a great day and again thanks

You're welcome. God bless!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Timothy was not a Jew.

You really should quit embarrassing yourself

Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek. Acts 16:1-3​

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You really should quit embarrassing yourself

Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek. Acts 16:1-3​

His father was Greek, He was not 100% Jewish.

Still waiting for the verse that says Christ covenant ratified at the conversion of Paul.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

His father was Greek, He was not 100% Jewish.

So? Jews considered him Jewish if he was circumcised because he had a Jewish mother

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Still waiting for the verse that says Christ covenant ratified at the conversion of Paul.

I never said or implied that. That came from you, not me

 

[Inquisitor]

by adoption all of these things apply to me. We have become spiritual israel through Christ.

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

we are all one in christ....
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

As an heir of Abraham most of the list above applies to me.

An heir of Abraham or an heir of the promise made to Abraham?

Romans 9:6-8
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended
from Israel; nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but:
“through Isaac your descendants shall be named.” That is, it is not the children of the flesh who
are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek...

If there is no Jew or Gentile in Christ, then it follows, that there is not a spiritual Israel in Christ.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

"A Jew is anyone who was born of a Jewish mother, or has undergone conversion to Judaism according to halachah (Jewish law). That's the way it's been since Biblical times and it's also firmly established in the Code of Jewish Law."

If there is no Jew or Gentile in Christ, then it follows, that there is not a spiritual Israel in Christ.

That means God puts no difference between the two. Since spiritual Zion and Jerusalem exist, it follows that spiritual Israel exists as well

 

[Inquisitor]

If you want evidence i am not trying to go back in time in looking at today.... And there is lots of evidence to show that we need to be spiritual Jews today. And as Jews today we should keep the law. According to the New Testament, there are now two Israels. One group is composed of literal Israelites “according to the flesh” (Romans 9:3, 4). The other is “spiritual Israel,” composed of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ.

Paul writes, “They are not all Israel, which are of Israel” (Romans 9:6). That is, not all are part of God’s spiritual Israel who are of the literal nation of Israel. Paul continues: “That is, They which are the children of the flesh [physical descendants of Abraham], these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed” (verse. 8). The children of the flesh are only natural descendants of Abraham, but the children of the promise are counted as the true seed. Today, any person—Jew or Gentile—can become part of this spiritual nation of Israel through faith in Jesus Christ.

Just as there are two Israels, there are also two kinds of Jews. First, there are the Jews who are only natural, physical descendants of Abraham. Second, there are the Jews in Spirit who believe in Jesus Christ. Paul writes, “Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest on the law, and makest thy boast of God ... For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision [Gentiles] keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? ... For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God” (Romans 2:17, 25, 26, 28, 29).

Did you get all that? The implications are staggering! Someone who is “called a Jew” because he is a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet who lives as a lawbreaker, “is not a Jew”—at least, not in God’s eyes. His “circumcision is made uncircumcision.” It is revoked. Thus to God, he is a Gentile. And a believing Gentile, who through faith keeps “the righteousness of the law,” his uncircumcision is counted for circumcision. Thus to God, he is a Jew.

Your argument collapses if the following verse is true.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek...

You cannot be a spiritual Jew because the text says there is not a Jew or a Gentile in Christ.

You may have misunderstood Romans 2-11.

 

[vassal]

They 10 Commandments did not end. They are for the unrighteous and the 14%'ers.

You're almost there with Levitical priesthood. If you continue you might find out why the entire priesthood had to change. So close.

Yes, the Old Testament contains several promises from God to those who follow His law. here are a few verses that proves this;

Deuteronomy 28:1-2
"Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth. And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, because you obey the voice of the Lord your God:"
Psalm 119:165
"Great peace have those who love Your law, And nothing causes them to stumble."
Proverbs 3:1-2
"My son, do not forget my law, But let your heart keep my commands; For length of days and long life And peace they will add to you."
4. Exodus 19:5
"Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine."
Promise: Obeying God's voice and keeping His covenant sets His people apart as a special treasure, enjoying His unique favor.
5. Leviticus 26:3-4
"If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit."

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So? Jews considered him Jewish if he was circumcised because he had a Jewish mother

"A Jew is anyone who was born of a Jewish mother, or has undergone conversion to Judaism according to halachah (Jewish law). That's the way it's been since Biblical times and it's also firmly established in the Code of Jewish Law."

 

[Inquisitor]

"A Jew is anyone who was born of a Jewish mother, or has undergone conversion to Judaism according to halachah (Jewish law). That's the way it's been since Biblical times and it's also firmly established in the Code of Jewish Law."


That means God puts no difference between the two. Since spiritual Zion and Jerusalem exist, it follows that spiritual Israel exists as well

Then why is there not a Jew or Gentile in Christ?

Heirs according to the promise made to Abraham.

A spiritual Israel without spiritual Jews?

 

[vassal]

Quoted for posterity.

The Lord's standard is clear: the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Our righteousness is in Him alone.

Don't be a slave to sin. The Law makes you a slave to sin. Accept Christ and be free from the Law of Sin and Death.

you just cursed yourself,
Matthew 7:1-2 (NKJV)
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

 

[Inquisitor]

Yes, the Old Testament contains several promises from God to those who follow His law. here are a few verses that proves this;

Deuteronomy 28:1-2
"Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth. And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, because you obey the voice of the Lord your God:"
Psalm 119:165
"Great peace have those who love Your law, And nothing causes them to stumble."
Proverbs 3:1-2
"My son, do not forget my law, But let your heart keep my commands; For length of days and long life And peace they will add to you."
4. Exodus 19:5
"Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine."
Promise: Obeying God's voice and keeping His covenant sets His people apart as a special treasure, enjoying His unique favor.
5. Leviticus 26:3-4
"If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit."

None of those verses contain the promise of eternal life.

It's more about physical Israel and the produce from farming.

 

[Inquisitor]

We seek His kingdom and His righteousness. That means we walk in the Spirit. He leads us in righteousness. We keep the law perfectly, and through no effort of our own. Christ lives through us.
You seem to think the Christian life is about keeping commandments. It's not. It's about living in the power of Christ. The same power that raised Him from the dead is at work in you. Make use of it.

They are consumed by the letter of the law, the tablets of stone.

In fact, they spend their lives proclaiming the ten commandments.

Knowing full well that they accept Christ only fulfilled 600 laws but not 613 laws.

One very bizarre interpretation.

 

[vassal]

None of those verses contain the promise of eternal life.

It's more about physical Israel and the produce from farming.

None of those verses contain the promise of eternal life.

It's more about physical Israel and the produce from farming.

sorry i said i would nor reply to you anymore since you reject scripture and the word of GOD, I mean it.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Then why is there not a Jew or Gentile in Christ?

Heirs according to the promise made to Abraham.

A spiritual Israel without spiritual Jews?

Jew means Judean, not Israelite

 

[Cameron143]

They are consumed by the letter of the law, the tablets of stone.

In fact, they spend their lives proclaiming the ten commandments.

Knowing full well that they accept Christ only fulfilled 600 laws but not 613 laws.

One very bizarre interpretation.

It's a strange focus on the law rather than Christ.

 

[Inquisitor]

If you want evidence i am not trying to go back in time in looking at today.... And there is lots of evidence to show that we need to be spiritual Jews today. And as Jews today we should keep the law. According to the New Testament, there are now two Israels. One group is composed of literal Israelites “according to the flesh” (Romans 9:3, 4). The other is “spiritual Israel,” composed of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ.

Paul writes, “They are not all Israel, which are of Israel” (Romans 9:6). That is, not all are part of God’s spiritual Israel who are of the literal nation of Israel. Paul continues: “That is, They which are the children of the flesh [physical descendants of Abraham], these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed” (verse. 8). The children of the flesh are only natural descendants of Abraham, but the children of the promise are counted as the true seed. Today, any person—Jew or Gentile—can become part of this spiritual nation of Israel through faith in Jesus Christ.

Just as there are two Israels, there are also two kinds of Jews. First, there are the Jews who are only natural, physical descendants of Abraham. Second, there are the Jews in Spirit who believe in Jesus Christ. Paul writes, “Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest on the law, and makest thy boast of God ... For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision [Gentiles] keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? ... For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God” (Romans 2:17, 25, 26, 28, 29).

Did you get all that? The implications are staggering! Someone who is “called a Jew” because he is a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet who lives as a lawbreaker, “is not a Jew”—at least, not in God’s eyes. His “circumcision is made uncircumcision.” It is revoked. Thus to God, he is a Gentile. And a believing Gentile, who through faith keeps “the righteousness of the law,” his uncircumcision is counted for circumcision. Thus to God, he is a Jew.

Where did you get spiritual Jews from?

There is neither Jew or Greek in Christ.

No one is righteous therefore how can someone keep the law?

I thought the commandments kill?

I thought the law condemns.

The law is holy, righteous, and good.

But the law is the enemy of our flesh.

No life in the law but only death for us all.

We do not live our Christian life in the flesh trying to obey the law. Because that is
a work of the law, a work of the flesh. The law is weak and useless when it comes
to taming the flesh.