the Sabbath

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It means we should NOT break OT commandments that are reaffirmed in the NT, because the wage of all sins is death.

There are only one of each day of the week on calendars.
The Ten commandment laws are all in the NT.
Mat 19:17-18
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus said keep the commandments
Then quoted 5 of the 10.

James said ...Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Paul said... Rom 13:8-10
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath.
And the sabbath was made for man.
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
This flight is many years after the resurrection of Jesus, and can even apply to the last days. If the sabbath day ment nothing why did Jesus say it.

Nothing states that these 10 commandments are made void.
 
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The Ten commandment laws are all in the NT.
Mat 19:17-18
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus said keep the commandments
Then quoted 5 of the 10.

James said ...Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Paul said... Rom 13:8-10
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath.
And the sabbath was made for man.
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
This flight is many years after the resurrection of Jesus, and can even apply to the last days. If the sabbath day ment nothing why did Jesus say it.

Nothing states that these 10 commandments are made void.
Matt 24:20 is about those who are in Judea at the time (future prophecy) as in Matt 24:15.
 

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Matt 24:20 is about those who are in Judea at the time (future prophecy) as in Matt 24:15.
Mat 24:6-9
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Jesus is talking about the future.
Like many things in the bible, events and warnings have dual applications.

As it was in the time of Noah so shall it be when Jesus returns.
We study the past to learn about the future, or present.

The destruction of Jerusalem was in 70 ad.
But many of the quotes are also about the end.... Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.Mat 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:27-31
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ...and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Then Jesus shares some parables..

Matt 24 is of things after the death and resurrection of Jesus, and Jesus said to pray that your flight be not on the sabbath day.
 

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There is no curses in the Ten Commandments- see Exodus 20 It’s God’s perfect law converting the soul written by our perfect Savior.

The curses were in the book of the law, written by Moses set outside the ark as a witness against for breaking what was inside - God’s Ten Commandments Deut 31:24-26. Its not a matter of picking and choosing its a matter of understanding the differences. Jesus came to take away the curse, but in order to accept His gift, we too must die of sin and be reborn in Christ keeping His commandments through faith and love by our cooperation with His power John 14:15-18
Deuteronomy 27:26

‘Cursed is he who does not put the words of this law into practice.’

Disobeying the Sabbath was punishable by death. Other commandments carried that punishment too. No curse? Is death a blessing?
 
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Deuteronomy 27:26

‘Cursed is he who does not put the words of this law into practice.’

Disobeying the Sabbath was punishable by death. Other commandments carried that punishment too. No curse? Is death a blessing?
That's a bit weak of a translation imo

Accursed is every man whoever shall not remain in all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. Deuteronomy 27:26
 
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Mat 24:6-9
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Jesus is talking about the future.
Like many things in the bible, events and warnings have dual applications.

As it was in the time of Noah so shall it be when Jesus returns.
We study the past to learn about the future, or present.

The destruction of Jerusalem was in 70 ad.
But many of the quotes are also about the end.... Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.Mat 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:27-31
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ...and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Then Jesus shares some parables..

Matt 24 is of things after the death and resurrection of Jesus, and Jesus said to pray that your flight be not on the sabbath day.
The word "flight" as in Matt 24:20 is refer to the instructions to "flee" when they see the abomination of desolation in the "holy" place as in verse 15,16. So this is in Judea.

But all Matt 24 is the answer to the questions pose by the disciples in Matt 24:2,3
 

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Mat 24:12-13
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Notice the word iniquity
How it abounds

Iniquity = G458
Transliteration: anomia
Thayer Definition:
the condition of without law
because ignorant of it
because of violating it
contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Origin: from G459

Strong's Definition: From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Transgression of the law... Lawless...violation of the law.

Luk 13:27-28
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Workers of iniquity... lawlessness

You can say Lord Lord, I believe, I have faith, I am saved but what does Jesus say to them that work Iniquity?
Mat 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

We don't know sin or iniquity without a law to define it.

Sin is the transgression of the law.
Exactly right. The law has done its job once it leads people to Christ.

1 Timothy 1:

"8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. 9We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching 11that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

Galatians 3:

"19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.

21Is the law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the law. 22But the Scripture pronounces all things confined by sin, so that by faith in Jesus Christ the promise might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

A guardian is only for the immature.
 

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It takes 143 pages and the issue is STILL not resolved? Amazing! I wonder how important it could be if Scripture is that unclear. However, I find RM 14:1-5,19&22 and 15:5 to be clear enough:

"Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables... One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. [I think y'all satisfy this requirement :]

Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification... whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God... May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus."
It would be nice if the sabbath pushers kept it between themselves and God.