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TMS

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
There's nothing simpler than God has commanded eternal life through his son and the whole law is fulfilled in 'Treat others like you want to be treated'
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Do you think God wants us to lower the bar. Or make the law void. To say don't worry about the 10 commandments just love is to remove the definition of love.
Jesus perfectly fulfilled the love and love is the fulfillment of the law.
The perfect law of God is there for us to see and understand perfection.
We can not say we are perfectly sanctified until we are perfectly keeping the law.
This is a high calling that we do not do to be saved but because we are saved.
The saviour came to save the lost. We are all in need of the saviour and without a law we are not guilty.
To remove the law or parts of the law is to take away the possibility to be sanctified concerning these laws.

We will not be convicted if it is not something we are guilty of.
 
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TMS said:
Do you think God wants us to lower the bar. Or make the law void. To say don't worry about the 10 commandments just love is to remove the definition of love.
Jesus perfectly fulfilled the love and love is the fulfillment of the law.
The perfect law of God is there for us to see and understand perfection.
We can not say we are perfectly sanctified until we are perfectly keeping the law.
This is a high calling that we do not do to be saved but because we are saved.
The saviour came to save the lost. We are all in need of the saviour and without a law we are not guilty.
To remove the law or parts of the law is to take away the possibility to be sanctified concerning these laws.

We will not be convicted if it is not something we are guilty of.
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You have absolutely no idea what the gospel is if this is what you believe
 
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TMS said:
Do you think God wants us to lower the bar. Or make the law void. To say don't worry about the 10 commandments just love is to remove the definition of love.
Jesus perfectly fulfilled the love and love is the fulfillment of the law.
The perfect law of God is there for us to see and understand perfection.
We can not say we are perfectly sanctified until we are perfectly keeping the law.
This is a high calling that we do not do to be saved but because we are saved.
The saviour came to save the lost. We are all in need of the saviour and without a law we are not guilty.
To remove the law or parts of the law is to take away the possibility to be sanctified concerning these laws.

We will not be convicted if it is not something we are guilty of.
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Christ's law of love is elaborated by OT commands against murder, adultery, stealing, lying, coveting and dishonoring parents, which are reaffirmed in various NT teachings, but the command to kill those who work on the sabbath is NOT reaffirmed, although observing it by resting is optional per RM 14:5 & CL 2:16.
 
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Inquisitor said:
The underlying issue regarding the law is whether Israel, or the whole world was given the Mosaic law.

Here is what Chat GPT has to say on this issue.

The Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Law as a whole were given specifically to the nation of Israel
at Mount Sinai as part of their covenant relationship with God. Here's a breakdown of the points you raised:

1. Were the Ten Commandments given only to Israel at Mt. Sinai?
Yes, the Ten Commandments were given specifically to Israel at Mount Sinai (Exodus 19-20).
These commandments were part of a broader covenant, often called the Mosaic Covenant,
which established the terms of Israel's relationship with God as His chosen people. In Exodus 19:5-6,
God states that Israel would be His "treasured possession," a "kingdom of priests," and a "holy nation,"
conditional upon their obedience to His laws.

2. Was the law exclusive to Israel?
Yes, the Mosaic Law was given exclusively to Israel. It was designed to govern their religious, moral, civil,
and ceremonial life as God's covenant people. It set them apart from other nations (Deuteronomy 4:7-8; Psalm 147:19-20).
Other nations were not bound to the Mosaic Law in the same way, although they were still accountable
to God through general revelation and the moral law written on their hearts (Romans 2:14-15).

3. Was Israel in covenant to obey the law?
Yes, Israel entered into a covenant with God to obey the law. This is explicitly stated in Exodus 24:7-8,
where the Israelites agreed to the terms of the covenant, saying, "All that the Lord has spoken we will do."
Moses then sealed this covenant with a sacrificial ceremony. Breaking the law would constitute breaking
the covenant, leading to the consequences outlined in the blessings and curses of Deuteronomy 28.

4. Could Gentiles be punished for transgressing the Mosaic Law?
Gentiles were not bound to the Mosaic Law as a covenant, but they were accountable to God
for moral wrongdoing. For example:
  • Universal moral accountability: Romans 1:18-32 and Romans 2:14-16 explain that all people,
  • including Gentiles, are accountable to God because of general revelation.
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chat GPT is a moron, it does not understand. There is a warning on their website that clearly states that it DOES make mistakes, It cannot give you a proper answer for anything spiritual as it does not understand anything of the sort, it goes through databases of texts and tries to give an answer but it does not understand anything.

It is a good tool for searches, It can be used it to search verses and rewrite a text in a clearer way , it excels in this but it should remain a tool only and not be used for anything else. so all it wrote to you is from a huge stack of computers searching a database to fit your question that is all, there is no truth in it. It understands nothing but is still useful for certain things but NOT fotr what you used it for.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Nah if you won't hearken to the plain words of the bible you won't hearken to me
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The way I understand the gospel:
The Holy Spirit convicts of our sins by bring our transgression of the law to our attention, then we request forgiveness daily from Jesus for our sins i.e transgression of the law. This is justification.
The second step is sanctification, a lifetime of following the promptings of the Holy Spirit and receiving not only forgiveness of our sins but also the ability to resist every temptation presented by Satan as we grow in faith.
The third step is glorification which will be given to us at the return of Jesus.

I will be glad to provide scriptural support when I am able to access my computer.
 
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