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MeowFlower

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According to you guys' insistence on strict observation of the sabbath, yes..... which, standing alone, proves you all are misguided.... and wrong.
No,not at all. You are wrong.

Jesus exemplified the Sabbath though not according to you.

Scripture harmonized and makes a complete perfect picture of God's will and plan on his Good News.

Obstinacy refuses to acknowledge what has been posted repeatedly here. One more effort is a waste of time yet when this too is ignored it will prove my point.....THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN. Prior to Sinai. And it was observed prior to Sinai.
If the Sabbath was Law, God would have said he made man to serve the law of the Sabbath. That is what the Pharisees did do. And for generations.

Which is why Jesus,the Lord of the Sabbath he made for man worked on the Sabbath in service to others.

This won't reach you I realize.

That's OK because God tells us why that is too.

Keep attacking those who choose to honor God's gift.
 

Inquisitor

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No,not at all. You are wrong.

Jesus exemplified the Sabbath though not according to you.

Scripture harmonized and makes a complete perfect picture of God's will and plan on his Good News.

Obstinacy refuses to acknowledge what has been posted repeatedly here. One more effort is a waste of time yet when this too is ignored it will prove my point.....THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN. Prior to Sinai. And it was observed prior to Sinai.
If the Sabbath was Law, God would have said he made man to serve the law of the Sabbath. That is what the Pharisees did do. And for generations.

Which is why Jesus,the Lord of the Sabbath he made for man worked on the Sabbath in service to others.

This won't reach you I realize.

That's OK because God tells us why that is too.

Keep attacking those who choose to honor God's gift.
I think every western nation has worked six days a week since Constantine.

In my country, legislation was passed in 1948 allowing for a five day working week.

Before 1948, everyone worked six days a week and only rested on Sunday.

The same goes for every other western nation.

Sabbath observance was impossible in the western nations.

I don't think your concept of sabbath obedience was ever a reality in the Roman Empire either.

It's a fact, that every one in Roman Empire worked every day, only Constantine changed that in 321 AD.

To think that sabbath obedience took place in the early Gentile church is nonsense.

Israel as a nation was the only nation with a day off for the sabbath.

Some how your going to have to deal with these facts.
 

Inquisitor

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No,not at all. You are wrong.

Jesus exemplified the Sabbath though not according to you.

Scripture harmonized and makes a complete perfect picture of God's will and plan on his Good News.

Obstinacy refuses to acknowledge what has been posted repeatedly here. One more effort is a waste of time yet when this too is ignored it will prove my point.....THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN. Prior to Sinai. And it was observed prior to Sinai.
If the Sabbath was Law, God would have said he made man to serve the law of the Sabbath. That is what the Pharisees did do. And for generations.

Which is why Jesus,the Lord of the Sabbath he made for man worked on the Sabbath in service to others.

This won't reach you I realize.

That's OK because God tells us why that is too.

Keep attacking those who choose to honor God's gift.
You will need more that this sentence, 'THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN', to place Gentiles
under the law. The Gentile nations must also be in covenant with God to obey the Mosaic law.

Exodus tells us at great length that Israel was under the law.

The Gentiles are given just one sentence, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, there is definitely
something wrong with this.

Israel get's an entire book of the law and we get six words?
 
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Can you reconcile these statements with these verses quoting Jesus:
[Mat 5:17-20 KJV] 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
If the law of Moses bears the same status to men today, in terms of it binding, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if Jesus did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ and remains as a binding legal system for today then it is not just partially binding, but totally binding. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” would pass away until all was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the law, all of the law and not just part of it. We cannot say that Jesus merely fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the rest of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it.

In regard to Matthew 5:20 - "unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven," this statement from Jesus would come as a shock to the Israelites who had great admiration of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law, yet Jesus points out their righteousness was defective.

Paul makes it clear in Romans 10:3-4, "For they (Israel) being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES."

We see in the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector an example of those who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, yet despised others. (Luke 18:9-14) We also see this today with various modern day Pharisees. The righteousness that exceeds the "righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees" (self righteousness) is the righteousness of God which is from God by faith.

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

Romans 3:21 - But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference.

Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
 

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Obstinacy refuses to acknowledge what has been posted repeatedly here. One more effort is a waste of time yet when this too is ignored it will prove my point.....THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN. Prior to Sinai. And it was observed prior to Sinai.
If the Sabbath was Law, God would have said he made man to serve the law of the Sabbath. That is what the Pharisees did do. And for generations.
How was it observed?
 
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Not just the Jews. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27, and the word here means mankind and for everyone who wants to join themselves with Christ Isa 56:1-6
Man, mankind, humans here does not imply that the Sabbath was given to all nations. It was given to Israel and the Israelites are of mankind. In regard to Isaiah 56:1-6, foreigners were to "join themselves to the Lord;" and "love the name of the Lord;" and "be his servants;" and "take hold of God's covenant." The OLD COVENANT. But to do this they had to be circumcised, for God said: “No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary." (Ezekiel 44:9) When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles.

But where are Gentiles as Gentiles ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Furthermore, if the Sabbath was of universal application, why were the Gentiles called "strangers?" The apostle Paul, speaking of the Gentiles during the Jewish age, says they were "strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world?" (Ephesians 2:12)

And when God gave the Sabbath commandment at Sinai, why did he make it binding ONLY on "the stranger that is within your gates?" (Exodus 20:10) Where is the passage that proves the Sabbath was binding on the Gentile OUTSIDE the gates? All this shows the Sabbath was NOT universally applied. If it had been, there would have been no "strangers from the covenants of promise."

Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: “Remember that YOU were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the LORD has commanded YOU to do: 2. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.” The congregation of THE SONS OF ISRAEL, God said to them.

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

If the day of God's Sabbath was changed in scripture this would have been the perfect time for the apostles to tell the Gentiles.
The Sabbath was not changed from Saturday to Sunday. Christians worship on Sunday, the first day of the week as a memorial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
These were not Gentiles Christians holding a Christian church service here in the synagogue. In verse 43, we read - And after the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism (proselytes) followed Paul and Barnabas, who, as they spoke with them, urged them to continue in the grace of God. So, it was Jews and proselytes who wanted to hear more from Paul and Barnabas. Paul and Barnabas' work there was evangelism and not Sabbath worship.

Did the apostles correct the Gentiles who wanted more gospel preaching the next Sabbath?
No, because these proselytes along with the Jews in that synagogue needed to hear more gospel preaching so that they can come to believe and be saved.

Of course not, because the Sabbath is a commandment of God, just like the commandment to not worship other gods, or to steal, or commit murder. Why the Gentiles kept every Sabbath with the apostles
The Sabbath commandment was a commandment for the Israelites under the old covenant. (Exodus 31:12-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15) The Sabbath commandment is not a commandment for the Church, the body of Christ under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17) The Gentiles kept the Sabbath commandment along with the Jews in that synagogue because they were proselytes, converts to Judaism and not because they were Christians. The apostles were not there simply to keep the Sabbath with these Jews and proselytes but to preach the gospel to these Jews and proselytes.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Praise God! These Jews and proselytes needed to hear gospel preaching so that they can come to believe the gospel. In Acts 14:1, we read that Paul and Barnabas entered the Jewish synagogue and spoke in such a way that a great number of both Jews and Greeks/Gentiles believed. :)

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Where else would you find Jews and Greeks/Gentile proselytes? In a synagogue every Sabbath so that's where Paul went in order to try and convince these Jews and proselytes to Judaism about Jesus so they can come to believe the gospel and be saved.

You guys keep thinking the Sabbath is not in your bibles, but it is.
Of course the Sabbath is in the Bible. When you read Acts 13:42-44 and Acts 18:4 again, how about more exegesis and less eisegesis the next time around. ;)
 

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THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN. Prior to Sinai..
Amen! The Greek word Jesus used here- means human beings and the Hebrew word means Adam

Jesus when He said this was pointing people back to Creation week.

God made man in His image and His likeness on the 6th day Gen 1:26 and God made the Sabbath for man on the seventh day- to rest with God.

The Sabbath didn't start at Mt Sinai as many teach in error, it started at Creation according to God Exo 20:11 When God made everything according to His perfect plan.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He created it, to be a blessing Isa 56:2 and sanctification Eze 20:12 for mankind because man cannot bless or sanctify themselves, we need God for everything.

The fact that Jesus referenced the history of the Sabbath that He is Lord of, shows among many other scriptures, He never got rid of His Sabbath, as most sadly teach. Hence why God used the word Remember - He knew the majority would forget, but it is a test of our loyalty to God.

Jesus in His own Words claimed the Sabbath as His- My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13, meaning there is no other. Man assigned a working day to God, Exo 20:9 I can't help but wonder how He feels about this.

He actually already told us, but do we listen?

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Jesus kept the Sabbath, He blessed and sanctified the Sabbath said it was made for us, but do we believe Him?

John 8:31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

Jesus always led by example to told us to follow Him, no one else

John 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

John 15:10 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Jesus is the only way friends, our time is coming close to be reunited with Christ. He is calling us out of our false teachings Rev 18:4 before its too late Rev 22:11 Trust Jesus at His Word- He never taught not to keep the Sabbath, He and His faithful followers Luke 23:56 and His apostles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 Acts 15:21 etc all kept it that is what a Christian does, they are followers of Christ. He will only lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation.

Lets not listen to the other voice in the garden, lets listen to Jesus and He said quoting from the OT to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:4

Rev 22:14 14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 

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"The Sabbath was not changed from Saturday to Sunday. Christians worship on Sunday, the first day of the week as a memorial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

It is my understanding Constantine did this as he blended pagan worship and practices with Christianity, the Sabbath is still the Sabbath and on Saturday, not the Sun god (Sunday) day of worship.
 

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I have presented Biblical arguments and so have the folks who wrote the articles on those sites. Most of those folks previously attended the SDA church so they know first hand about their errors. Its typical that you refuse to seriously consider the truth and instead you present a persecution complex. I read how SDA's have institutionalized deception and also how they have a persecution complex in this article below:

https://www.nonsda.org/study12.shtml

In regard to Ellen G White, I find it interesting how she said she saw a
halo of glory around the Sabbath commandment in the Most Holy Place of God's temple in heaven and that the
Sabbath is a sign of Christ's power to make people holy, and that it will be a point of decision in the last days.

She also said the mark of the beast, symbolizes the celebration of Sunday – a false and idolatrous Sabbath. This spiritual sign will be activated in a future eschatological spiritual battle that will take place in the matter of worship and faithfulness to God’s commandments.

It's no wonder that SDA' s teach that those who worship God on Sunday instead of Saturday will receive the mark of the beast, which is ludicrous!

https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

That false teaching, which has turned the sabbath day into an idol, is a stumbling block to believing the gospel.
How was it observed?
Exodus 20:8-11 (NKJV)

8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
Deuteronomy 5:12-15 (NKJV)

12 "Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you.
13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day."

to observe the sabbath because you love GOD who gave us personally the commandments and want to because GOD gives us free will;

Isaiah 58:13-14 (NKJV)
13 "If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken."

in Matthew 5:17-18 where Jesus says, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Jesus clearly affirms that He did not come to abolish the law (including the Ten Commandments) but to fulfill it. He also emphasizes that the law will endure until "heaven and earth pass away," highlighting the permanence of God's commands.
In 1 John 2:3-4, the apostle John writes, "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Here, John underscores that keeping God's commandments is a sign of truly knowing God. This suggests that the commandments remain relevant and binding for believers today.
In Romans 3:31, Paul writes, "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." This verse clearly states that faith in Christ does not nullify the law but rather upholds it,
James also addresses the issue in James 2:10-12, saying, "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, 'Do not commit adultery,' also said, 'Do not murder.' Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
In Malachi 3:6, God declares, "For I am the Lord, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob." Since God’s nature does not change, His commandments remains constant, further supporting the idea that the Ten Commandments are still applicable today.
In Hebrews 13:8, we read, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." This verse highlights the unchanging nature of Jesus Christ, and since He is the fulfillment of the law and embodies God's character, it indicates that the moral principles of the law remain valid.
Finally, Revelation 14:12 says, "Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." This passage shows that in the last days, those who remain faithful to God will be characterized by keeping His commandments, which affirms the ongoing relevance of the Ten Commandments for believers.
 

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Yes,

On 6 days God worked. on the 7th he rested.

Thats the sabbath.

and it is good for man to rest. But as Paul said in his letter to the Corinthians. it does not matter what day we observe..
Did Paul contradict himself when he said;
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

This verse clearly states that faith in Christ does not nullify the law but rather upholds it,
 
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"The Sabbath was not changed from Saturday to Sunday. Christians worship on Sunday, the first day of the week as a memorial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

It is my understanding Constantine did this as he blended pagan worship and practices with Christianity, the Sabbath is still the Sabbath and on Saturday, not the Sun god (Sunday) day of worship.
Yep.... it's Saturn's Day worship, instead.... the agricultural god.... :LOL:
 
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15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day."
This sounds very much like he is saying this only to the Israelites. See the word "therefore"....
I was never a slave in Egypt, who God saved.... sounds like THOSE people were the ones that were commanded to keep the Sabbath day.
You, me, and everyone else in this discussion were saved from bondage (to sin) by the power of Jesus Christ.... HE is our Sabbath rest...
 

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Did Paul contradict himself when he said;
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

This verse clearly states that faith in Christ does not nullify the law but rather upholds it,
"Do we say that the crib was worthless because we are grown? Certainly not! Our growth is proof that the crib accomplished its function."

The above is how we are to understand the law at Sinai.