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Did Paul contradict himself when he said;
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

This verse clearly states that faith in Christ does not nullify the law but rather upholds it,
In regard to Romans 3:31, we establish or uphold the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

If the law, as a legal system, is still binding on us today, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save us. Jesus fulfilled the whole law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 6:23; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9)
 

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In regard to Romans 3:31, we establish or uphold the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

If the law, as a legal system, is still binding on us today, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save us. Jesus fulfilled the whole law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 6:23; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9)

Romans 10:4
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Did Jesus make an end to His law?

Not according to His own Words at His Second Coming...

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (means without law)

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
 
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Did Paul contradict himself when he said;
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

This verse clearly states that faith in Christ does not nullify the law but rather upholds it,
No, Paul did not contradict himself. But it is obvious you do nt understand what paul said.

what was the purpose of the law according to paul?

Gal 3:
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.


21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


You see. By faith in Christ. we establish the law. that we have sinned and fall short of the glory., in other words. We establish the fact that no one can be justified by the law.

But hey, You want to try to be justified by the law. feel free.

count me out. I will trust God. because the law did in me what it was given for. took me to my knees.
 

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Did Jesus make an end to His law?

Not according to His own Words at His Second Coming...

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (means without law)

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
It's bad religion to make "commandments" = "the law given at Sinai".
 
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Did Jesus make an end to His law?
He made an end of the fact everyone is condemned by the law yes.. thats why we are not under law but under grace.
Not according to His own Words at His Second Coming...

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (means without law)

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
My friend, the law required perfection. If your not perfect (by the way, your not) then you have failed to keep the law as required.

For those of us who have been saved, we are no longer under law but under grace, because we still can not keep the law as itself requires (we still sin)

Those who are saved have a better law. the two greatest commands. Love God and Love Neighbor. and who is our neighbor? Everyone!!

Both of those verses are descriptive, it speaks of people who are saved. who can keep his commands (although not perfectly)

The one me spoke of in Matt, these rejected him, and tried to get to God by works. Jesus rejected their works, and told them to depart. Because they practiced sin. Because they were never saved.

Please I beg of you. study more. open your mind. I fear for you
 

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Did Jesus make an end to His law?

Not according to His own Words at His Second Coming...

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (means without law)

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
have you known that there is a Law based on Faith and a Law based on works. You are focus on the law based on works (the law of Sin and death) but the believers are focus on the Law based of faith (Christ)..see Romans
 
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It's bad religion to make "commandments" = "the law given at Sinai".
Did you not read the commandments John is quoting from that leads someone outside the gates of heaven?

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of them 1 John 2:4). You break one of these commandments you break them all James 2:10-12

The "bad religion" you claim is what Jesus taught and lived. Something He wrote with His own finger and spoke with His own voice and said when we keep our rules over God's commandments quoting from this "bad religion" you like to call it is leading those who teach and those who follow into a ditch i.e. off the narrow path.

Suit yourself.



Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’;

Quoting from the commandments at Mt Sinai Exo 20:13

and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


Jesus said following this path, keeping our rules over obeying Gods commandments is the path that leads one in a ditch i.e. off the narrow path

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
 

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have you known that there is a Law based on Faith and a Law based on works. You are focus on the law based on works (the law of Sin and death) but the believers are focus on the Law based of faith (Christ)..see Romans

John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
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Do you realize you are Mocking GOD?
Yes, many of them do. God personally only named one day in scripture and that is the seventh day that He called the Sabbath. Exo 20:10 My holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:13 to associate God's Sabbath with a pagan name, is quite sad.
 

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Did Paul contradict himself when he said;
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

This verse clearly states that faith in Christ does not nullify the law but rather upholds it.

did Paul's verse you have in your panel, romans 10:4, contradict Romans 3:31 ?
 
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Do they think they will get away with this?
I do not believe so.

Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

Heb 10:26 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
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Yes, many of them do. God personally only named one day in scripture and that is the seventh day that He called the Sabbath. Exo 20:10 My holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:13 to associate God's Sabbath with a pagan name, is quite sad.
You guys/gals are hung up on the elements of this world. You've stumbled at the stumbling stone and rock of offense. Repent and find the liberty in Christ