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dlj57

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That's all great stuff, and an excellent answer to questions I never asked. Can you actually answer the questions I am asking?
...do you still sin?
...if someone is in Christ and commits a sin, would they no longer be in Christ?

Once again: We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. Our very best is as filthy rags. It is through the blood of Christ that we can be saved. The Ten commandments tell us to remember the Sabbath and keep it holly, not to choose any day we want. He only blessed, sanctified and hallowed one day of the week and that day is the 7th day of the week the true Sabbath. God knows you better than you know yourself, He knows your heart.
 

SabbathBlessing

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Sure. And Paul also said circumcision is nothing. So while you and your cronies like
to pretend nothing has changed, clearly much has. Circumcision was part of the law.
You might want to read the last part of that scripture 1 Cor 7:19

Who said nothing changed- the new covenant was established on better promises Heb 8:6 not better or new laws- God's law is written in our hearts and minds Heb 8:10

God personally wrote and spoke the Ten Commandments- God makes no mistakes, people do, God's law is perfect Psa 19:7 because God is perfect. Hebrews 7, 9 and 10 explain in detail what changed in the New Covenant, established on better promises. God's law, the Ten Commandments obviously never changed because we see it lived out in the life of Jesus and the apostles because what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 and sin is still breaking God's law Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30, but in the New Covenant instead of sacrificing animals for sin, we can go directly to Jesus when we repent for sin- isn't that a much better promise? He gives us the power to obey Him John 14:15-18, we just have to have a willing and humble heart and we obey Him through faith and love. Romans 3:31 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12
 

dlj57

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Sure. And Paul also said circumcision is nothing. So while you and your cronies like
to pretend nothing has changed, clearly much has. Circumcision was part of the law.
What has changed? Give me scripture that can't be rebutted, not skewed just to fit your point of view.
 
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Once again: We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. Our very best is as filthy rags. It is through the blood of Christ that we can be saved. The Ten commandments tell us to remember the Sabbath and keep it holly, not to choose any day we want. He only blessed, sanctified and hallowed one day of the week and that day is the 7th day of the week the true Sabbath. God knows you better than you know yourself, He knows your heart.
yes but who Do you honour on that one day of the week.

Do you honor the father


Friendly question
 

Cameron143

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is the commandment honor the Sabbath replaced with honor the lord 😊

Just wondering.

In the lord we find rest, so I just wondered if this is the same thing or at least could be
I wouldn't phrase it that way. The Sabbath always pictured the rest believers would have in Christ.
The main reason discussions like this arise is because of the importance people place upon the symbols instead of moving forward to the actual reality of the symbol.
 

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John 6:28-29


28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
 

SabbathBlessing

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That's all great stuff, and an excellent answer to questions I never asked. Can you actually answer the questions I am asking?
...do you still sin?
...if someone is in Christ and commits a sin, would they no longer be in Christ?
You are not judged based on what I do, we each have to stand before Jesus. We are not judged based on a sliding scale. Only 8 righteous people were in that ark - and we are told the Second Coming would be like the days of Noah's. What I do is between me and God, just like what you do is between you and God and neither change the scriptures and how we should obey Him through faith and love.
 

dlj57

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is the commandment honor the Sabbath replaced with honor the lord 😊

Just wondering.

In the lord we find rest, so I just wondered if this is the same thing or at least could be
Look up the word rest as it pertains to scripture. it literally means "Sabbath Keeping." If you honor the Sabbath, you are honoring the Lord, and if you honor the Lord, you will keep the Sabbath.
 
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Look up the word rest as it pertains to scripture. it literally means "Sabbath Keeping." If you honor the Sabbath, you are honoring the Lord, and if you honor the Lord, you will keep the Sabbath.
do you honor the father on the Sabbath day because you should do.
 

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Once again: We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. Our very best is as filthy rags. It is through the blood of Christ that we can be saved. The Ten commandments tell us to remember the Sabbath and keep it holly, not to choose any day we want. He only blessed, sanctified and hallowed one day of the week and that day is the 7th day of the week the true Sabbath. God knows you better than you know yourself, He knows your heart.
So you admit that you still sin. Thank you. Halfway there on my first 2 questions. I'm assuming you believe you are in Christ. So when you sin, are you no longer in Christ?

I'm happy to address the Sabbath issue with you, but I would rather complete our current line of thought first.
 

SabbathBlessing

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You aren't keeping the Law, nor is any self-proclaimed Sabbath keeper.

Galatians 3:10.
Gal 3:10 is referring to the law of Moses- the laws written by Moses in a book placed on the outside of the covenant. Not the Ten Commandments finger written by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 placed on the inside of the ark Exo 40:20

I would also leave the judging to God- only He is all knowing, not strangers on the internet. :)
 
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Plain and simple @dlj57 if your not honouring the father your not keeping the Sabbath intact.

So then you never answered so then you can not preach what you don't practice
 

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So you admit that you still sin. Thank you. Halfway there on my first 2 questions. I'm assuming you believe you are in Christ. So when you sin, are you no longer in Christ?

I'm happy to address the Sabbath issue with you, but I would rather complete our current line of thought first.
I believe in the promises of scripture Pro 28:13 1 John 1:9

Not interested in personal attacks so will leave it as agree to disagree. Take care
 

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Jesus is our rest and we true Christians worship him every day . . .


Matthew 11:28
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. ~KJV
“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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You are not judged based on what I do, we each have to stand before Jesus. We are not judged based on a sliding scale. Only 8 righteous people were in that ark - and we are told the Second Coming would be like the days of Noah's. What I do is between me and God, just like what you do is between you and God and neither change the scriptures and how we should obey Him through faith and love.
I'm not asking for the purpose of judgment. I'm not asking you to enumerate your sin. My purpose is for clarification of doctrine. Either you believe you still sin or you believe you do not. I'm asking what you believe is true of yourself. But I'll ask it hypothetically. Are there any sinful people after they are in Christ? And if someone in Christ sins, would they no longer be in Christ?
Yes or no is preferable
 

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He claims Abraham kept the ten commandments... hundreds of years before they were given.

And though he and another say they get no answer as to what has changed regarding the law, rather than high-
fiving each other over their imagined victory, they should be using their hands to untie the blindfolds they wear.



Romans 13:10
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thank you
 

dlj57

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No other of the 10 commands had been given... you said yourself:

Without law there is no transgression Romans 4:15

That is so wrong on so many levels. The Ten Commandments have been with us from creation, when God himself stated that his work was finished and He rested on the 7th day, giving us the Sabbath / The Sabbath rest. the one day he set apart from the rest and the only day He blessed, sanctified and hallowed. Abraham obeyed all of Gods Commandments at creation (Genesis 26:5) You said: Without law there is no transgression Romans 4:15. How right that is, we are born in to sin, and man has a sinful nature, our moral laws let us know when we do something wrong, we don't have to have someone to tell us. God gave Moses and us the Ten Commandments in writing which cover the moral laws embedded in us. 9 are explicitly repeated throughout the NT. There is no scripture in the NT showing or emplying that the 4th Commandment was done away with, it is mentioned and observed 6o times throughout the NT, WHY?
 

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I believe in the promises of scripture Pro 28:13 1 John 1:9

Not interested in personal attacks so will leave it as agree to disagree. Take care
So please answer the 2nd question: can someone be in Christ, sin, and, because of that sin, no longer be in Christ?

Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you. I have no interest in belittling or harming you. I'm merely trying to show you that a particular passage of scripture doesn't actually mean what you have stated it does.
 
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That is so wrong on so many levels. The Ten Commandments have been with us from creation, when God himself stated that his work was finished and He rested on the 7th day, giving us the Sabbath / The Sabbath rest. the one day he set apart from the rest and the only day He blessed, sanctified and hallowed. Abraham obeyed all of Gods Commandments at creation (Genesis 26:5) You said: Without law there is no transgression Romans 4:15. How right that is, we are born in to sin, and man has a sinful nature, our moral laws let us know when we do something wrong, we don't have to have someone to tell us. God gave Moses and us the Ten Commandments in writing which cover the moral laws embedded in us. 9 are explicitly repeated throughout the NT. There is no scripture in the NT showing or emplying that the 4th Commandment was done away with, it is mentioned and observed 6o times throughout the NT, WHY?
you don't understand when you honor the father you also honor is son.

We can never honour rest as much as the father, when the father was here he honoured the day of rest for a thousand years. Without ceasing.

So yes he set the sun in motion but no he did it when he was ready.

You must honor the father also

Say as much