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Aaron56

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Can you spell obfuscation? You asked "Are Pauls' words not the words of Christ?" You answered your own question above: "... of course He didn't write them" You answered your own question ... correctly.

It has nothing to do with ignoring Paul and obeying Christ, which is something entirely different.
Hold up there Sparky.

The answer is ”Paul’s words are both Paul’s and Christ’s.”
 

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So many people misunderstand the New Covenant. It was established on better promises Heb 8:6,
You should have continued after “better promises”.

Let me help:

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.”

He’s literally comparing the whole 1st Old covenant with the New.

He continues:

“..not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.”

Not according, meaning, not in likeness or kind.

It seems you want the form of the Old mixed with something New. No, the New is NOT according to the Sinai covenant. This is contrary to the Lord’s teaching:

No one puts a piece of new cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

You cannot mix the old and the new. To do so ruins both: you lose the value of either.
 

Johann

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Gal 1:6-9 -- there is only one Gospel
Gal 3:8 "THE Gospel was preached to Abraham"
Heb 4:2 "THE Gospel was preached to us just as it was to them also"
No problem-


Contextually, these verses emphasize the unity and consistency of the Gospel message throughout history. In Galatians 1:6-9, Paul warns the Galatians against accepting any other gospel than the one he preached to them, emphasizing that there is only one true Gospel. In Galatians 3:8, Paul points out that the Gospel message was preached to Abraham, indicating that it is not a new or different message but has been consistent throughout history. Similarly, in Hebrews 4:2, the author emphasizes that the Gospel message preached to the readers is the same as the message preached to the Israelites in the wilderness.

These verses highlight the importance of maintaining the integrity of the Gospel message and avoiding any deviation from it. The Gospel is not a new message but has been consistent throughout history, and any alteration or addition to it is a distortion of the truth. The Gospel message is centered on the person and work of Jesus Christ, and any message that deviates from this central focus is not the true Gospel.

Therefore, these verses serve as a reminder to Christians to hold fast to the true Gospel message and to avoid any false teachings or distortions of the truth. The Gospel is the foundation of the Christian faith, and any deviation from it undermines the very essence of Christianity.


The Gospel was indeed preached to Abraham, although not in its complete New Testament form. The concept of justification by faith, which is central to the Gospel, is implicit in Old Testament passages such as Genesis 15:6, where Abraham's faith is counted as righteousness. This principle is further developed in the New Testament, particularly in Paul's letters, where justification by faith becomes a cornerstone of the Christian message

Abraham serves as a prototype for the faithful who trust in God's promises without seeing the fulfillment, thereby demonstrating the principle of justification by faith

. Although Abraham did not receive the Gospel in its fully revealed form, he lived by faith in God's promise, which foreshadowed the coming Messiah and the ultimate plan of salvation.
Thus, the Gospel was indeed preached to Abraham, even though he did not hear the specific details of the New Testament Gospel. Rather, he embodied the essential elements of the Gospel—faith in God's promises and hope in the coming Redeemer—which are fulfilled in the New Testament Gospel message.
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what helps me maintain my weight is B6, and Folate ( do not use folic acid) before bedtime, watch the fat melt slowly away... But do not over do it.. LOL but where i live next to a mountain full of trails in the forest it is hard not to get out and jog or mountain bike...
B6-tablet form?
 

Johann

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You should have continued after “better promises”.

Let me help:

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.”

He’s literally comparing the whole 1st Old covenant with the New.

He continues:

“..not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.”

Not according, meaning, not in likeness or kind.

It seems you want the form of the Old mixed with something New. No, the New is NOT according to the Sinai covenant. This is contrary to the Lord’s teaching:

No one puts a piece of new cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

You cannot mix the old and the new. To do so ruins both: you lose the value of either.
This passage is a metaphorical teaching by Jesus found in the Gospels of Matthew (9:16-17), Mark (2:21-22), and Luke (5:36-38). It conveys profound spiritual truths using everyday examples that would have been familiar to the people of that time.
Context:
Jesus uses the imagery of new cloth on an old garment and new wine in old wineskins to illustrate the incompatibility between the old ways of thinking or living and the new teachings He brings. The Pharisees questioned Jesus about His disciples not fasting like John's disciples, to which Jesus responds with these metaphors to explain that His message represents something entirely new and cannot be contained within the existing religious structures or practices.
Meaning:
New Cloth on an Old Garment: This metaphor suggests that trying to patch up an old system or tradition with new ideas or teachings will not work. Just as a new piece of cloth will shrink and tear away from an old garment, attempting to integrate the radical teachings of Jesus into the rigid framework of traditional Judaism would only lead to conflict and damage.

New Wine in Old Wineskins: Similarly, putting new wine (representing the fresh, transformative message of Jesus) into old wineskins (symbolizing the rigid, legalistic practices of the Pharisees) would result in the wineskins bursting as the new wine ferments and expands. This illustrates that embracing Jesus' teachings requires a flexible and open heart, not bound by legalism or tradition.
Overall Message:
Jesus is emphasizing the need for a receptive and open mindset to receive His teachings. He is introducing a new way of understanding God, salvation, and righteousness that cannot be confined within the existing religious structures. To fully embrace His message, one must be willing to let go of old ways of thinking and living, allowing for transformation and renewal from within.
By using these vivid illustrations, Jesus challenges His listeners to be open to change, growth, and renewal in their spiritual lives, rather than clinging to outdated traditions or legalistic practices that hinder true spiritual transformation.
J.
 

Johann

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Scripture says otherwise which is what I follow.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be M

Heb 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

I am not sure how we can have faith in Jesus, but not have faith in His teachings or live by His every Word Mat 4:4.

Scripture says Jesus is the example we are to follow, . 1 John 2:6 Heb 4:15 1 Peter 2:21-22 but if one prefers to follow the creation instead of the Creator, we have free will.
Paul's Gospel, as outlined in the New Testament, is centered on the message of salvation through Jesus Christ.

It is consistent with the Gospel preached by other apostles, prophets, and ultimately by Jesus Himself.

Here are some key aspects of Paul's Gospel supported by Scripture references:

Commission to Preach the Gospel:
Romans 1:1: Paul was commissioned to preach the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 1:17: Paul describes the message he preached as the power of God for salvation.

Content of the Gospel:
Romans 1:3-4: The Gospel is about Jesus Christ, descended from David, declared to be the Son of God.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The Gospel includes Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.

Effectiveness of the Gospel:
Romans 1:16: The Gospel reveals the power of God for transforming sinners into saints.
1 Corinthians 15:2: The Gospel is effective for salvation when believed.

Focus on Jesus Christ:
Romans 1:9: The Gospel focuses on the Lord Jesus.
Colossians 1:23: Believers are reconciled to God through faith in Christ.

Paul's Devotion to Preaching the Gospel:
Philippians 1:20-22: Paul's life is centered on magnifying Christ through preaching the Gospel.
Acts 20:24-27: Paul testifies to the gospel of the grace of God with boldness.

Unity with Other Apostles:
Galatians 2:9: Paul received recognition from other apostles for his preaching.

Galatians 2:7-8: Paul's message aligns with that of Peter and others.
Paul's Gospel emphasizes salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, His sacrificial death and resurrection, and the transformative power of God's grace. It aligns with the teachings of other apostles and remains consistent with the message proclaimed by Jesus Himself during His ministry.

J.
 

mailmandan

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Hold up there Sparky.

The answer is ”Paul’s words are both Paul’s and Christ’s.”
2 Timothy 3:16 - ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
 

Johann

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Hold up there Sparky.

The answer is ”Paul’s words are both Paul’s and Christ’s.”
The statement "Paul's words are both Paul's and Christ's" reflects a nuanced understanding of the relationship between Paul's teachings and the teachings of Jesus Christ within the context of biblical interpretation. From a contextual and hermeneutical perspective:

Contextual Analysis: In interpreting Paul's writings, it is essential to consider the historical, cultural, and theological context in which he wrote. Paul's letters were addressed to specific churches or individuals facing particular challenges or questions. Understanding the context helps to grasp the intended meaning behind Paul's words and how they relate to the broader message of the Gospel.

Hermeneutical Approach: When studying Paul's writings in relation to Christ's teachings, it is crucial to recognize that Paul was an apostle commissioned by Christ Himself (Acts 9:15-16). While Paul's letters contain his personal insights and explanations of theological concepts, they are also inspired by the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16).

Therefore, Paul's words can be seen as a reflection of both his own understanding and interpretation of Christ's teachings, as well as divine revelation guided by the Spirit.

Harmonizing Paul and Christ: The statement suggests that there is a harmonious relationship between Paul's teachings and those of Jesus Christ. While Paul may offer unique perspectives or elaborate on certain aspects of Christian doctrine, his writings ultimately align with the core message of Christ.

Both Paul and Jesus emphasize themes such as love, grace, faith, and salvation, albeit from different angles or in response to specific issues within the early Christian communities.

Unity in Diversity: Recognizing that Paul's words are both his own and reflective of Christ's teachings underscores the unity within diversity present in Scripture. Different authors in the Bible contribute unique perspectives while maintaining a cohesive message centered on God's redemptive plan for humanity through Jesus Christ.

In conclusion, understanding that "Paul’s words are both Paul’s and Christ’s" requires a balanced approach that considers the context of Paul's writings, employs sound hermeneutical principles, harmonizes his teachings with those of Jesus Christ, and appreciates the unity in diversity present throughout Scripture. This perspective enriches our understanding of how God communicates His truth through various human authors while maintaining consistency with His overarching message of redemption and grace.
J.
 

Johann

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2 Timothy 3:16 - ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
The context of 2 Timothy 3:16 provides insight into the significance and authority of Scripture within the Christian faith. This verse is part of a letter written by the apostle Paul to Timothy, his young protege and fellow minister. In this letter, Paul emphasizes the importance of Scripture in guiding and equipping believers for a life of faith and service.

Historical Context: At the time of writing, Paul was nearing the end of his ministry and facing persecution for his faith. He was passing on his wisdom and encouragement to Timothy, urging him to remain steadfast in the face of challenges and to continue preaching the Gospel faithfully.

Purpose of Scripture: In 2 Timothy 3:16, Paul affirms that all Scripture is inspired by God, highlighting its divine origin and authority. This verse underscores the belief that the Bible is not merely a human creation but a revelation from God Himself. The Scriptures are described as profitable for doctrine (teaching), reproof (rebuke), correction (restoration), and instruction in righteousness (training in godly living).

Application for Believers: Paul's words remind believers of the transformative power of Scripture in shaping their beliefs, correcting their behavior, and guiding them in living according to God's standards. The Bible serves as a comprehensive guide for understanding God's will, confronting sin, receiving correction, and growing in spiritual maturity.

Continued Relevance: The principle articulated in 2 Timothy 3:16 remains relevant for Christians today, emphasizing the enduring value and authority of Scripture in all aspects of life. It encourages believers to engage with God's Word diligently, allowing it to shape their beliefs, convict them of sin, lead them to repentance, and instruct them in righteous living.

In summary, the context of 2 Timothy 3:16 underscores the divine inspiration and practical relevance of Scripture for believers. This verse highlights the foundational role of God's Word in shaping Christian doctrine, guiding moral conduct, and nurturing spiritual growth throughout history and into the present day.

Just to "flesh it out a bit deeper" brother-How are you?
J.
 

mailmandan

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The context of 2 Timothy 3:16 provides insight into the significance and authority of Scripture within the Christian faith. This verse is part of a letter written by the apostle Paul to Timothy, his young protege and fellow minister. In this letter, Paul emphasizes the importance of Scripture in guiding and equipping believers for a life of faith and service.

Historical Context: At the time of writing, Paul was nearing the end of his ministry and facing persecution for his faith. He was passing on his wisdom and encouragement to Timothy, urging him to remain steadfast in the face of challenges and to continue preaching the Gospel faithfully.

Purpose of Scripture: In 2 Timothy 3:16, Paul affirms that all Scripture is inspired by God, highlighting its divine origin and authority. This verse underscores the belief that the Bible is not merely a human creation but a revelation from God Himself. The Scriptures are described as profitable for doctrine (teaching), reproof (rebuke), correction (restoration), and instruction in righteousness (training in godly living).

Application for Believers: Paul's words remind believers of the transformative power of Scripture in shaping their beliefs, correcting their behavior, and guiding them in living according to God's standards. The Bible serves as a comprehensive guide for understanding God's will, confronting sin, receiving correction, and growing in spiritual maturity.

Continued Relevance: The principle articulated in 2 Timothy 3:16 remains relevant for Christians today, emphasizing the enduring value and authority of Scripture in all aspects of life. It encourages believers to engage with God's Word diligently, allowing it to shape their beliefs, convict them of sin, lead them to repentance, and instruct them in righteous living.

In summary, the context of 2 Timothy 3:16 underscores the divine inspiration and practical relevance of Scripture for believers. This verse highlights the foundational role of God's Word in shaping Christian doctrine, guiding moral conduct, and nurturing spiritual growth throughout history and into the present day.

Just to "flesh it out a bit deeper" brother-How are you?
J.
I'm fine brother. Hope you are doing well. I was just reminding folks not to pit Jesus against Paul or any other writer because ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God. It's God breathed.
 

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Paul's Gospel, as outlined in the New Testament, is centered on the message of salvation through Jesus Christ.

It is consistent with the Gospel preached by other apostles, prophets, and ultimately by Jesus Himself.

Here are some key aspects of Paul's Gospel supported by Scripture references:

Commission to Preach the Gospel:
Romans 1:1: Paul was commissioned to preach the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 1:17: Paul describes the message he preached as the power of God for salvation.

Content of the Gospel:
Romans 1:3-4: The Gospel is about Jesus Christ, descended from David, declared to be the Son of God.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The Gospel includes Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.

Effectiveness of the Gospel:
Romans 1:16: The Gospel reveals the power of God for transforming sinners into saints.
1 Corinthians 15:2: The Gospel is effective for salvation when believed.

Focus on Jesus Christ:
Romans 1:9: The Gospel focuses on the Lord Jesus.
Colossians 1:23: Believers are reconciled to God through faith in Christ.

Paul's Devotion to Preaching the Gospel:
Philippians 1:20-22: Paul's life is centered on magnifying Christ through preaching the Gospel.
Acts 20:24-27: Paul testifies to the gospel of the grace of God with boldness.

Unity with Other Apostles:
Galatians 2:9: Paul received recognition from other apostles for his preaching.

Galatians 2:7-8: Paul's message aligns with that of Peter and others.
Paul's Gospel emphasizes salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, His sacrificial death and resurrection, and the transformative power of God's grace. It aligns with the teachings of other apostles and remains consistent with the message proclaimed by Jesus Himself during His ministry.

J.
I’m not disagreeing with any of that. But you can’t remove God’s law from the gospel message. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4 even in the NT Roman 7:7 Breaking one commandment you break them all James 2:10-12

We are all sinners and deserve the death penalty. Jesus took that death penalty for us. If He could have just removed the law, He would not had to of died. Jesus wants us transformed from the inside out through His power He can remove sin, which means one is not transgressing His commandments. There is only one gospel and in the OT it was looking forward to Jesus at the Cross, in the NT it is look back at Jesus at the Cross He died for for the sins of the world, but we too must die with Christ, the old man of sin Ephesians 4:22-24 Romans 6, need to be reborn in the newness of Christ in His righteousness and in doing so one would be obedient to God and His commandments. All this hostility to God’s law is really not a good sign. Rom 8:7-8
 

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I’m not disagreeing with any of that. But you can’t remove God’s law from the gospel message. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4 even in the NT Roman 7:7 Breaking one commandment you break them all James 2:10-12

We are all sinners and deserve the death penalty. Jesus took that death penalty for us. If He could have just removed the law, He would not had to of died. Jesus wants us transformed from the inside out through His power He can remove sin, which means one is not transgressing His commandments. There is only one gospel and in the OT it was looking forward to Jesus at the Cross, in the NT it is look back at Jesus at the Cross He died for for the sins of the world, but we too must die with Christ, the old man of sin Ephesians 4:22-24 Romans 6, need to be reborn in the newness of Christ in His righteousness and in doing so one would be obedient to God and His commandments. All this hostility to God’s law is really not a good sign. Rom 8:7-8
Agree-


Incorporating God's Law into the Gospel Message:
Agree that God's law is integral to the gospel message.
Salvation from sin is emphasized in Matthew 1:21, and sin is defined as the transgression of God's law in 1 John 3:4.
Acknowledge the continuity of God's law in the New Testament, as seen in Romans 7:7 and James 2:10-12.
Understanding Sin and Salvation:
Affirm that all are sinners and deserving of the death penalty.
Highlight Jesus' sacrificial death as atonement for our sins.
Emphasize the transformative power of Jesus to remove sin and lead to obedience to God's commandments.
Transformation through Christ:
Stress the importance of being transformed from within by Christ's power.
Note that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was necessary due to the penalty of sin.
Highlight the need for believers to die to their old sinful nature and be reborn in Christ, as outlined in Ephesians 4:22-24 and Romans 6.
Obedience to God's Commandments:
Emphasize that true transformation leads to obedience to God's commandments.
Acknowledge that hostility towards God's law is contrary to a transformed life.
Reference Romans 8:7-8,
which highlights the enmity of the flesh against God's law.
By addressing each point made by emphasizing the importance of God's law in the gospel message, understanding sin and salvation through Jesus' sacrifice, focusing on transformation through Christ's power, and highlighting obedience to God's commandments as a result of true transformation, you can provide a comprehensive response that aligns with the biblical principles presented.

Would you agree?
Johann.
 

Johann

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I'm fine brother. Hope you are doing well. I was just reminding folks not to pit Jesus against Paul or any other writer because ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God. It's God breathed.
Glad to see you here my brother in Christ-missed you man!
J.
 

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You should have continued after “better promises”.

Let me help:

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.”

He’s literally comparing the whole 1st Old covenant with the New.

He continues:

“..not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.”

Not according, meaning, not in likeness or kind.

It seems you want the form of the Old mixed with something New. No, the New is NOT according to the Sinai covenant. This is contrary to the Lord’s teaching:

No one puts a piece of new cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

You cannot mix the old and the new. To do so ruins both: you lose the value of either.
You left out some text…..

The fault was not with God’s law- God’s law is perfect- Psa 19:7. You can’t make something perfect more perfect.

The fault was with the people, not the law.

Heb 8: 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.

I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.

I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.

12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[c]



Not once does God say He establishes His Covenant on better or new laws, it is established on better promises. Instead God writes His law in our heart and minds instead of deleting them. It’s not the same covenant, which just means agreement as it is based on better promises as this New Covenant has God doing, so its based on His power, not ours. He is the one giving us the power to obey Him. It’s based on a better promises because Jesus is now our High Priest and Mediator and instead of bringing an animal sacrifice for sin Heb 10:1-22, which is breaking God’s law Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 we can go directly to Jesus when we repent Acts 2:38 Acts 3:19 which means a change in heart and direction and in doing so Jesus will forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 and gives us the power to obey His commandments John 14:15-18 but we have to cooperate. So yes, the New Covenant is indeed established on better promises, but still has God’s law written in our hearts which is why Jesus taught not to break the least of the commandments and when we keep our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten our hearts are far from Him May 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13, the opposite of the New Covenant- God’s law in our heart obeying Him through love and faith. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 which reconciles us Rev 22:14
 

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Agree-


Incorporating God's Law into the Gospel Message:
Agree that God's law is integral to the gospel message.
Salvation from sin is emphasized in Matthew 1:21, and sin is defined as the transgression of God's law in 1 John 3:4.
Acknowledge the continuity of God's law in the New Testament, as seen in Romans 7:7 and James 2:10-12.
Understanding Sin and Salvation:
Affirm that all are sinners and deserving of the death penalty.
Highlight Jesus' sacrificial death as atonement for our sins.
Emphasize the transformative power of Jesus to remove sin and lead to obedience to God's commandments.
Transformation through Christ:
Stress the importance of being transformed from within by Christ's power.
Note that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was necessary due to the penalty of sin.
Highlight the need for believers to die to their old sinful nature and be reborn in Christ, as outlined in Ephesians 4:22-24 and Romans 6.
Obedience to God's Commandments:
Emphasize that true transformation leads to obedience to God's commandments.
Acknowledge that hostility towards God's law is contrary to a transformed life.
Reference Romans 8:7-8,
which highlights the enmity of the flesh against God's law.
By addressing each point made by emphasizing the importance of God's law in the gospel message, understanding sin and salvation through Jesus' sacrifice, focusing on transformation through Christ's power, and highlighting obedience to God's commandments as a result of true transformation, you can provide a comprehensive response that aligns with the biblical principles presented.

Would you agree?
Johann.
Agreed! Nice work.
 

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You left out some text…..

The fault was not with God’s law- God’s law is perfect- Psa 19:7. You can’t make something perfect more perfect.

The fault was with the people, not the law.

Heb 8: 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.

I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.

I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.

12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[c]



Not once does God say He establishes His Covenant on better or new laws, it is established on better promises. Instead God writes His law in our heart and minds instead of deleting them. It’s not the same covenant, which just means agreement as it is based on better promises as this New Covenant has God doing, so its based on His power, not ours. He is the one giving us the power to obey Him. It’s based on a better promises because Jesus is now our High Priest and Mediator and instead of bringing an animal sacrifice for sin Heb 10:1-22, which is breaking God’s law Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 we can go directly to Jesus when we repent Acts 2:38 Acts 3:19 which means a change in heart and direction and in doing so Jesus will forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 and gives us the power to obey His commandments John 14:15-18 but we have to cooperate. So yes, the New Covenant is indeed established on better promises, but still has God’s law written in our hearts which is why Jesus taught not to break the least of the commandments and when we keep our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten our hearts are far from Him May 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13, the opposite of the New Covenant- God’s law in our heart obeying Him through love and faith. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 which reconciles us Rev 22:14
The law He writes on our hearts is the law of the Spirit.

through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.”

If you had inquired you wouldn’t have had to write so much.
 

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The law He writes on our hearts is the law of the Spirit.

through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.”

If you had inquired you wouldn’t have had to write so much.
Set free from the law of death- which is the condemnation of sin- breaking God’s law, not free to break God’s law and sin Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4

Those who set their minds on the Spirit are keeping God’s Commandments own 14:15-18. Those who are hostile to God’s law have their minds set on flesh (sin) which is why they are unable to keep God’s law. Rom 8:4-8

When we are living for Jesus we are keeping His commandments through love and faith. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12
 

mailmandan

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You cannot use one verse but all of them they are all linked and complete each other, you know the scripture;

James 2:19 (KJV)
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

and no I never said salvation by works. works cannot save you but they prove you love the lord and your neighbour. Jesus explains it perfectly well;

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

I am telling you Jesus told us everything and explained it all and did it all.

Peace
Salvation by works was still implied. Now in James 2:19, we read that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance are in Satan (and not in Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

Scripture must harmonize with Scripture. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet authentic faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24).

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28)

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*
 

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I was raised as a catholic, in the province of Quebec, I totally disagree with most of their teachings, they are idolaters and place importance on the ritual instead of loving their neighbours, most but not all are liars and thieves who prey on the week and elderly. I am not certain what they teach today however as I have abandoned their way a long time ago when I started to read the Bible myself.
I was blind, but now I SEE! This is what happens when we have an open heart and really study the scriptures and allow God's Word to be our guide Psa 119:105 Pro 3:5-6 and shut out the noise of popular teachings and traditions handed down for centuries.

Only the Truth sets us Free. John 8:32

Happy Sabbath! :)
 

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Set free from the law of death- which is the condemnation of sin- breaking God’s law, not free to break God’s law and sin Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4

Those who set their minds on the Spirit are keeping God’s Commandments own 14:15-18. Those who are hostile to God’s law have their minds set on flesh (sin) which is why they are unable to keep God’s law. Rom 8:4-8

When we are living for Jesus we are keeping His commandments through love and faith. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12
Slight correction needed.

You said:
When we are living for Jesus we are keeping His commandments through love and faith.
Corrected: When we are living for Jesus we are keeping His commandments which are love and faith! (1 John 3:23)