The Sad Lives Of Legalists And Sinless Perfectionists
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K
I do have true faith in the Lord which is why I continue to defend His word against those who want to take away or water it down turning it into a gospel of lewdness.
This is done when you tell others they do not have to obey the Lord's teachings in the faith, and can be disobedient (sinful) and still have salvation.
As disobedience in the bible is called sin and nobody who continues in sin the bible says will not inherit the kingdom of heaven!!!
J
Repentance is definitely needed, and there needs to be healing. However, the idea of being “unsaved” seems kind of unscriptural. It’s like a born-again christian sins, becomes unsaved, repents, is saved again, sins, becomes unsaved, repents, is saved again, etc. Kind of like getting married, divorced, married again, divorced, married again, etc. to the same person.
The born-again christian might have sinned, but he hasn’t become “unsaved” and then getting saved again from the “unsaved.” It’s almost like coming back from the “undead.” Even Paul went through conflicts with sin and righteousness. The Psalmist might have gone through the valley of the shadow of sin and death (Psalm 23:4), but the Lord was still with him.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
But I agree with you that it takes repentance from sin and good works to be a good christian. A lot is on the line, making it to eternal heaven. To dismiss Jesus’ words in Matthew 5 to 7 by insisting on false grace is like building one’s house on the sand. Elijah wasn’t the most popular person in Israel during the 3 years drought. Jezebel had accused Elijah of causing the drought. Most of the children of Israel were probably under the spell of Jezebel and the priests of Baal and probably figured that Elijah was a nutcase. But winning the popular vote did not make the priests of Baal right. It got so bad for Elijah, he had to run for his life, even after his praying for the miracle of rain, which the priests of Baal failed after wild shouting and dancing.
The born-again christian might have sinned, but he hasn’t become “unsaved” and then getting saved again from the “unsaved.” It’s almost like coming back from the “undead.” Even Paul went through conflicts with sin and righteousness. The Psalmist might have gone through the valley of the shadow of sin and death (Psalm 23:4), but the Lord was still with him.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
But I agree with you that it takes repentance from sin and good works to be a good christian. A lot is on the line, making it to eternal heaven. To dismiss Jesus’ words in Matthew 5 to 7 by insisting on false grace is like building one’s house on the sand. Elijah wasn’t the most popular person in Israel during the 3 years drought. Jezebel had accused Elijah of causing the drought. Most of the children of Israel were probably under the spell of Jezebel and the priests of Baal and probably figured that Elijah was a nutcase. But winning the popular vote did not make the priests of Baal right. It got so bad for Elijah, he had to run for his life, even after his praying for the miracle of rain, which the priests of Baal failed after wild shouting and dancing.
The message of grace is not without the message of God's justice. When a believer has transgressed/sinned, then he or she is faced with acknowledging his or her own disobedience... by/to God, not man. There are times, though, when God calls us to also confess to others. don't get me wrong. I love grace and live because of Grace. In fact, Jesus' dying a sinless death and rising up and, now, interceding for me is what drives me to do. Like a coach who loves his team and cheers the players on, while leading them past opponents, so God does for us. He believes in us, so He expects us to work out our salvation... Fear and trembling. God is not at all abusive, nor is He weak. He is willing to see us through, despite our weakness. His methods are working... Despite the world's madness. A savior for the stubborn? That is Grace. Still, not all people are saved, and the Coach expects certain skills to be seen on the Field of Life.
Disclaimer: the above is not a thorough or accurate explanation. It is a little self-reflection...er... grace meditation.
Disclaimer: the above is not a thorough or accurate explanation. It is a little self-reflection...er... grace meditation.
G
We have 2 systems in this world.
Cosmic 1~~selfish, sinning, lewdness in your words.
Cosmic 2~~religion, human good, self righteousness..........EVIL.
You think we only have one system in this world.............lewdness.
You are operating in cosmic system #2. You have your life pretty much cleaned up, and think that is good and worthwhile.
When it is really dung.
One verse. You are disobedient to His word...................John 5:24. And many others. The Holy Spirit wrote and believes John 5:24. We are quenching the Spirit, by explaining it away.
You tell believers over and over and over that they can't obey John 5:24,John 10:28 and many others.
Cosmic 1~~selfish, sinning, lewdness in your words.
Cosmic 2~~religion, human good, self righteousness..........EVIL.
You think we only have one system in this world.............lewdness.
You are operating in cosmic system #2. You have your life pretty much cleaned up, and think that is good and worthwhile.
When it is really dung.
One verse. You are disobedient to His word...................John 5:24. And many others. The Holy Spirit wrote and believes John 5:24. We are quenching the Spirit, by explaining it away.
You tell believers over and over and over that they can't obey John 5:24,John 10:28 and many others.
K
Well that is what James says about the one who becomes lost, that their soul is not saved unless they return to the Lord.
[h=1]James 5:19-20[/h]19Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
P
I must admit - I'm surprised to hear you admit that.
That's a stretch, but the worst thing of that is you do something you accuse someone else of doing.
Perhaps you should look up the word hypocrisy. It fits in here somewhere..............
John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
That's a stretch, but the worst thing of that is you do something you accuse someone else of doing.
Perhaps you should look up the word hypocrisy. It fits in here somewhere..............
John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
K
You are speaking in worldly examples by saying cosmic 1 and 2, but I am speaking on the full truth of His word and not just part of it.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
There is two parts here hearing and believing, as hearing establishes faith and then believing is a continuous action of following the Lord and His teachings/commands. You once again need to go back to Luke 6:46-49 to understand what believing in the Lord means.
A hearer only has no foundation in the Lord and is deceived......Luke 6:49, James 1:22
If you have heard the word of God (gospel of Christ) and no actions as in the fruits of the Spirit do not follow then you are deceived and eternal life does not abide in you. Apostle John makes this very clear in his epistle 1 John chapters 2-4.
How did you get "saved again"? I believe that would be born again "again"?
You just don't understand the grace administration and how when we are saved we are born again of the Spirit. It is a "birth" process. You partake of the divine nature at the time you are born again - God does not remove the new creation that he has created within you. God places his Spirit within you via the gift of holy Spirit - it is sealed and the seal is not removed except by the one who put it there when He comes again and takes you to himself. It is his mark upon those that are his.
You just don't understand the grace administration and how when we are saved we are born again of the Spirit. It is a "birth" process. You partake of the divine nature at the time you are born again - God does not remove the new creation that he has created within you. God places his Spirit within you via the gift of holy Spirit - it is sealed and the seal is not removed except by the one who put it there when He comes again and takes you to himself. It is his mark upon those that are his.
G
First of all Phil, you don't have to inform me that I am a hypocrite. I KNOW that. Its what makes me teachable.
Now look at your verses. These are besetting sins. They were a particular sin that distracted the person from the truth. And they needed to quit that besetting sin to see the truth.
We all have a sin that besets us. The Lord NEVER tells us to stop sinning. He knows we can't, that why he came.
We all have a particular sin that blinds us from the truth, Sin is just a distraction to keep us from the truth.
The woman at the well.......She was loose, and it distracted her from the truth. He didn't condemn her and told her to quit this particular sin, it was distracting her from the truth.
Now look at your verses. These are besetting sins. They were a particular sin that distracted the person from the truth. And they needed to quit that besetting sin to see the truth.
We all have a sin that besets us. The Lord NEVER tells us to stop sinning. He knows we can't, that why he came.
We all have a particular sin that blinds us from the truth, Sin is just a distraction to keep us from the truth.
The woman at the well.......She was loose, and it distracted her from the truth. He didn't condemn her and told her to quit this particular sin, it was distracting her from the truth.
G
Ken, I agree that we can fall away from grace , the faith and many other "phrases" that SEEM to teach loss of salvation.
I don't reject these verses. I just don't pit them against each other. Like I have set of verses and you have a set of verses. They compliment each other.
We both know our God. He would clearly say, " You were born again and now you have become unborn." If it were possible. It is not a light subject that the Lord would leave us in confusion..........we are talking eternal torment here.
I don't reject these verses. I just don't pit them against each other. Like I have set of verses and you have a set of verses. They compliment each other.
We both know our God. He would clearly say, " You were born again and now you have become unborn." If it were possible. It is not a light subject that the Lord would leave us in confusion..........we are talking eternal torment here.