The Satanic Statue Being Made for Oklahoma's Statehouse Is Coming Along Nicely

[kaylagrl]

but Biscuit, God has kids everywhere.

and since the Lord Jesus already drank to the dregs the wrath of God toward them,
don't you think it may be premature to decide when something bad happens,
it's because God's angry?

our God is just, and won't punish sin twice, right?

ps--Kayla, your thread title made me lol.

Lol I got quite a kick out of it.Sometimes I amuse myself.

 

[Kerry]

Florida already has one, but the ten commandments are still rejected. Time for Christians to stand up and speak up, for the life of me I don't understand why Christians will not speak out and vote.

 

[kaylagrl]

Kayla, i believe i am derailing, and i apologize.

so i'll leave it with this last question, and give biscuit the final word here.

biscuit...what do you think we, as God's people, should do in those situations?
do you think we should reach out to help those affected by the devastation,
or sit back 'knowing' it's their due?

Ya not sure I believe God was punishing people with Katerina or any other disaster.We're living in the age of grace.I know a young girl told me once God sank the Titanic ! I said "did he"? She nodded.I said "did you know that there were missionaries in the bottom levels on the ship? Kind of made her think.Why does God allow these things,I cannot say but thanks to Christ we have a blood sacrifice.Death is no longer required for our sins if we trust in him.

 

[kaylagrl]

Florida already has one, but the ten commandments are still rejected. Time for Christians to stand up and speak up, for the life of me I don't understand why Christians will not speak out and vote.

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Oh no,no! I would definitely be all over that! I'd have Jay Sekulow and every news crew for a country mile there.The commandments would be there by the time I was through.

 

[ChristIsGod]

If God is doing all of these things, then why would He say this ... Rev 11:17,18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which are destroying the earth.

 

[Jackson123]

Florida already has one, but the ten commandments are still rejected. Time for Christians to stand up and speak up, for the life of me I don't understand why Christians will not speak out and vote.

It sad, this people think Lucifer love them. We have to educate them that Lucifer not love them. Jesus love them.

 

[Kerry]

It sad, this people think Lucifer love them. We have to educate them that Lucifer not love them. Jesus love them.

We need the preaching of the Gospel and not Psychology. Which is what most churches teach nowadays.

 

[Colorful]

Aside from my personal beliefs (which shouldn't carry weight in the political/legislative realm), I cannot think of one good reason to appeal to our local/state/federal government concerning the construction of this statue.

Also putting aside not liking non-Christians driving a point about "a God they don't believe in", what are the real objections anyone has of the statue being built? Are there any legitimate reasons to discourage them from building the statue (legally)?

If we champion religious freedom, we have to tolerate all religions; Even religions we deem as false/corrupt. If we put up Christian themes on public land, we set a precedent. Why should one brand of faith be given preferential treatment as opposed to another brand?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I had read that the Oklahoma state government was going to deny the statue. Here is the article I had seen that seemed to imply this:

Satanic group says Oklahoma must give the devil his due | Fox News

Quote from the article that seemed to me to imply that this statue would be denied:

"There will never be a satanic monument on the grounds of the Oklahoma State Capitol and the suggestion that there might be is absurd," Alex Weintz, spokesman for Gov. Mary Fallin, said in a statement to FoxNews.com.

 

[4enlightment]

Aside from my personal beliefs (which shouldn't carry weight in the political/legislative realm), I cannot think of one good reason to appeal to our local/state/federal government concerning the construction of this statue.

Also putting aside not liking non-Christians driving a point about "a God they don't believe in", what are the real objections anyone has of the statue being built? Are there any legitimate reasons to discourage them from building the statue (legally)?

If we champion religious freedom, we have to tolerate all religions; Even religions we deem as false/corrupt. If we put up Christian themes on public land, we set a precedent. Why should one brand of faith be given preferential treatment as opposed to another brand?

Do you know how many pagan's artworks that already has been displayed in many government buildings and throughout the whole country? The person that is having that statue to be displayed is trying to upset others. The only thing that a person should protest against it is that it doesn't has nothing to do with anything except for Halloween. But if Christians were smart, they should start having statues of Mickey mouse or Frankenstein of the wolf man in front of these State buildings and which they truly represent our government.

 

[JesusLives]

Originally Posted by biscuit

Yep! just take a look at CA. Badly in need of rain and it is getting it at a very high price & destructively. I also believe God's wrath on a state will depend on its rule on the people ... biblically speaking.

Yes I was thinking the same thing the other day when I saw CA in the news. Agree with you there.

What about all the Christians that live in California - God does not hear their prayers? They have to suffer because of the sins of others? Just wondering....as I do believe God has people in California too.

Now what I could agree with you guys on is that God's Holy Spirit is being withdrawn from the earth and more evil and wickedness is showing it's ugly face all over the planet not just California. And yes God will pour out His judgments but there are still many people that need to hear the gospel and make their choice and what are we each doing to help the gospel reach them....in California too? For that matter all over the world?

 

[JesusLives]

but Biscuit, God has kids everywhere.

and since the Lord Jesus already drank to the dregs the wrath of God toward them,
don't you think it may be premature to decide when something bad happens,
it's because God's angry?

our God is just, and won't punish sin twice, right?

ps--Kayla, your thread title made me lol.

Totally agree with you would rep but must spread it around....or so it tells me....

 

[JesusLives]

God uses the weather to stress His anger ... not always but frequently. There are plenty of bible verses to back up the good & bad sides of God in reference to the weather

And I guess the most famous probably would be related to Noah's. Believe I read somewhere that there were only 15 major earthquakes prior to 1960 but something like 168 thereafter If I can find it I will post it..

I do agree that God issues out judgments, but why do we always try and say things are an act of God when satan hates us and loves to cause chaos and mayhem and wants to destroy us and cause our suffering, pain, and death. With all the judgments by God thrown out you make it sound like God watches just for us to screw up and then zap us out of existence...Well I got to say I don't see my God that way but more of loving us and trying to get us to turn to Him for protection and grace. Yes, God does pass out judgments but satan is to be blamed for a lot of our pain and suffering.

 

[JesusLives]

Florida already has one, but the ten commandments are still rejected. Time for Christians to stand up and speak up, for the life of me I don't understand why Christians will not speak out and vote.

I vote plenty they just don't give me anyone good to vote for and then they have those who have so much money they can buy their way into office. Discouraging to say the least and yes I do live in Florida. Hangs head and walks away admitting they don't know how to count votes.....

 

[Colorful]

Do you know how many pagan's artworks that already has been displayed in many government buildings and throughout the whole country? The person that is having that statue to be displayed is trying to upset others. The only thing that a person should protest against it is that it doesn't has nothing to do with anything except for Halloween. But if Christians were smart, they should start having statues of Mickey mouse or Frankenstein of the wolf man in front of these State buildings and which they truly represent our government.

I can't read people's hearts as well as the Savior can. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming worst case scenario that the person(s) responsible for this statue being build is doing it to "upset people", I still see no legitimate objection to it being build. If we have no legal foundation to stand on, and we truly believe they just want to upset Christians, people shouldn't make such a ginormous fuss about it to the point where we give them what they want (being upset). It is irrelevant as to the motivation for people doing it, what is relevant is that they have the grounds to construct whatever it is they are constructing no matter our personal feelings about it.

No one has really said anything like, "I object to it on a moral level, but I understand and believe that they should have the right to do it." Am I alone here?

 

[VioletReigns]

James 5:16 The powerful, passionate prayer of a righteous man will accomplish much.

Pray that God's will be done. Pray that God would remove the statue. Pray that people begin to hate the statue. Pray that children despise it. Pray that people would complain so much about it that it becomes nothing but an eyesore. Pray that those who are responsible for it would come to realize their foolishness and would repent.

My point: PRAY GOD'S WILL BE DONE! Pray and trust that He will hear and answer your prayer.

 

[4enlightment]

I can't read people's hearts as well as the Savior can. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming worst case scenario that the person(s) responsible for this statue being build is doing it to "upset people", I still see no legitimate objection to it being build. If we have no legal foundation to stand on, and we truly believe they just want to upset Christians, people shouldn't make such a ginormous fuss about it to the point where we give them what they want (being upset). It is irrelevant as to the motivation for people doing it, what is relevant is that they have the grounds to construct whatever it is they are constructing no matter our personal feelings about it.

No one has really said anything like, "I object to it on a moral level, but I understand and believe that they should have the right to do it." Am I alone here?

For one thing it is a ugly statue, and only reason why it would be displayed is to offend others. Even the statue of liberty is an pagan statue, but it is in good taste and which that goat head figure with has no meaning at all, like the statue stand for liberty, but this goat creature statue doesn't stand for nothing, unless they are giving respect for or the memories of Boris Karloff; but the only thing that I can see is that this statue is a joke as naming part of the city of Jerusalem, Palestine (Philistine). I know the ones that is behind this statue hates what God stand for, and which these people desire to molest children and have children by their own parents and which the scriptures are against those acts. And so they are trying to remove the scriptures so that they can remove these old laws about molesting kids and be able to walk around naked to tempt children to do so. When committing a sin that doesn't harm others isn't a sin, but when it crosses the boundary of hurting other and which they want to do, is a sin. Everytime when I see someone that practice paganism, I see them as sodomites and which they doesn't want any rules to follow at all and which that statue represent. Like for an instance, Homosexuality isn't a sin unless they are trying to convert others that aren't in that condition to become one that aren't, just because they hated the design which God had intended for mankind to be, is a sin. These kind of people want to be in a relationship without being faithful or devoted to and which these pagans cannot stand, they are whoremongers that doesn't care about other people feeling but only to pleasure themselves.

The Frost’s have had a lot of controversy surrounding them for different reasons. They claim that just about every independent researcher on the subject is incorrect about Gerald Gardner founding Wicca and Raymond Buckland bringing it into the United States, as both of these acts were supposedly done by the Frosts. They were also against homosexuality and allowing homosexuals into Wicca, a position they later recanted. None of this crap really matters to me though. What does concern me is the biggest piece of controversy they’ve had, that they wrote an initiation ritual published in 1972 in the Witch’s Bible (and from what I hear also included in their correspondence course at one time) which encouraged pedophilia and incest. http://robjo.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/the-frosts-pedophiles-in-our-midst/

 

[Agricola]

Surely this is a bunch of atheists who are not devil worshippers but simply trying to annoy Christians and prove a point that state and church should be separated and all faiths and beliefs should be treated equally.

As for Hurricane Katrina, it had nothing to do with the sin going on in the nation, it was God punishing America for its meddling with Israel, Katrina formed just a day after Israel pulled out of Gaza, removing thousands of people, even exhuming graves and transporting the dead to new cemetries, then handed the rule over to Palestinian Authority.

 

[VioletReigns]

I would keep in mind that no matter what they hope to accomplish, they are not sinning against you or me. They are rebelling against God alone. I know the Lord Almighty has the shoulders to withstand all rebellion. In fact, God said He would rather people be honestly against Him than to pretend they love Him with an apathetic (lukewarm) heart. [Rev 3:15]

Arguing with rebels or fighting battles in your own strength is pointless. This battle is the Lord's and the only way we can fight for Him is to pray for our enemies and be a living example of Jesus Christ. If the Holy Spirit falls onto you to do a certain thing for His purposes, you will not have the power to disobey. God would empower you with the unquenchable desire to do the task and give you the strength & wisdom to accomplish it. But until then, pray.

 

[hannahbeth1124]

I can't read people's hearts as well as the Savior can. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming worst case scenario that the person(s) responsible for this statue being build is doing it to "upset people", I still see no legitimate objection to it being build. If we have no legal foundation to stand on, and we truly believe they just want to upset Christians, people shouldn't make such a ginormous fuss about it to the point where we give them what they want (being upset). It is irrelevant as to the motivation for people doing it, what is relevant is that they have the grounds to construct whatever it is they are constructing no matter our personal feelings about it.

No one has really said anything like, "I object to it on a moral level, but I understand and believe that they should have the right to do it." Am I alone here?

Well said, you. If Islam became the dominant religion here in America, (as it is in many countries, for those of us still subscribing to a US based world view, rather than an inclusive one) And I erected a status of Jesus Christ, being an American citizen, I should have that right. Denying free will says nothing of the character of a man, nor will it lead to his salvation. It's much the same argument we see in the legalization of abortion. Do I personally believe abortion to be a good thing? Absolutely not. Will my voting to abolish it legally stop these women from getting one ILLEGALLY and still commuting the act while also putting public health in jeopardy? Not likely. So I think what we really need to be asking ourselves here is "Is this time and energy well spent? Of all the things I could be combating this moment? Is this statue truly on the top ten?" Our fight is not one of copper and bronze idols, brothers and sisters. It's one of heart and spirit.

We can argue all day on how we FEEL about the statue. We can stand in front of it and protest. We can persecute those who erected it. But in the end, where is the fruit of that? Aren't we called to love even they? Aren't we called to inform ourselves of the real battles and how to fight them in the spirit? I think this, like so many other threads quickly fell into the realm of "godless chatter". That silly little statue says nothing to me on the salvation of people. It says nothing on how it will detour anyone. And I say you turn the other cheek. If we think the God who created us all is so offended by the almost comical depiction of Lucifer (one of His creations mind you. Not his equal. Not omniscient. Not GOD of anything. Merely a bitter little imp who wants to BE God so badly, he takes what tiny victories he can by breaking the Father's heart with each lost child.), I say it's time we reexamine the character of our God. I can assure you, there are bigger battles than a silly little statue. And, moreover, standing on a soapbox to fight something in the flesh says nothing of our character and gives Christians a bad image. Can you imagine being an atheist, for just a moment, and seeing all of the Christians quaking in their boots over a statue? Doesn't paint a pretty picture, does it? Doesn't show you courage, righteousness, grace, joy. All of the things he's given us by His stripes.

In closing, I say this: [h=1]Joshua 24:15Amplified Bible (AMP)[/h]15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.