The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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brightfame52

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eternally-gratefull said:
Once again, this is speaking of the end result for us as a group of people

it does not prove your point however.
it is like I purchased something for everyone in a store but everyone did not take the gift. Because they did not think the gift was special, or they hated me

it does not mean I did not buy them one, they just did not recieve it

for those who did, like this verse you shared, they recieved what was paid for

however, it does not prove it was only purchased for them and not everyone as you insist
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Yes it proves my point. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God and justified while being enemies. That is a saving effect of Christ death for them.
 
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You are wrong as usual. All are not reconciled while being enemies. The promise to the reconciled while being enemies is they shall be saved by His life. Are you a universalist?
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Another Boogeyman tactic by a Calvinist " universalist " oooooohhh !! This is how someone becomes a Calvinist. They become paralysed by fear of falling into a heresey ditch ,so are duped into a system that offers A,B,c,s doctrines .
 
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brightfame52 said:
Yes it proves my point. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God and justified while being enemies. That is a saving effect of Christ death for them.
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Nope ..Abraham was justified by faith. So are we . Thats christianity 101 .
 
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Another Boogeyman tactic by a Calvinist " universalist " oooooohhh !! This is how someone becomes a Calvinist. They become paralysed by fear of falling into a heresey ditch ,so are duped into a system that offers A,B,c,s doctrines .
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Okay what is the promise to the reconciled while being enemies in Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life
 
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throughfaith said:
Another Boogeyman tactic by a Calvinist " universalist " oooooohhh !! This is how someone becomes a Calvinist. They become paralysed by fear of falling into a heresey ditch ,so are duped into a system that offers A,B,c,s doctrines .
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Okay what is the promise to the reconciled while being enemies in Rom 5:10
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We were reconciled when we came to faith

as John says, those who believe are given the right or power to become gods children.
again, you remove faith from the equation
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False. The scripture plainly stated they were reconciled while being enemies.
 
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Yes it proves my point. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God and justified while being enemies. That is a saving effect of Christ death for them.
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2cor 5 .19 19To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING the WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! unto himself, NOT !!!!!!!!imputing THEIR !!!!!!! trespasses unto THEM ; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

See Calvinism has duped you into denying the greatest message you could ever share with someone. That Jesus really has died for the sins of the world . You are cornered because your system leads you to think this has to mean ' universalism ' ..It takes about a year to undo this brain washing thats happened to you .
 
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Nope ..Abraham was justified by faith. So are we . Thats christianity 101 .
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Abraham was justified by Christ before being justified by faith, he was justified while being ungodly, that is scripture.
 
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2cor 5 .19 19To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING the WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! unto himself, NOT !!!!!!!!imputing THEIR !!!!!!! trespasses unto THEM ; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

See Calvinism has duped you into denying the greatest message you could ever share with someone. That Jesus really has died for the sins of the world . You are cornered because your system leads you to think this has to mean ' universalism ' ..It takes about a year to undo this brain washing thats happened to you .
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That is the reconciled while being enemies Rom 5 10.
 
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Okay what is the promise to the reconciled while being enemies in Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life
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The reconciliation was the atonement. 2cor 5.19 . The Atonement was the entire world which now THEY ALL CAN NOW COME .
 
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brightfame52 said:
Okay what is the promise to the reconciled while being enemies in Rom 5:10

False. The scripture plainly stated they were reconciled while being enemies.
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2cor 5.19 . Reconciled . like the word ' saved ' has different meanings with context .
 
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The reconciliation was the atonement. 2cor 5.19 . The Atonement was the entire world which now THEY ALL CAN NOW COME .
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False it was not the entire world since some people have their sins charged to them .
 
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2cor 5.19 . Reconciled . like the word ' saved ' has different meanings with context .
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Those that were reconciled while being enemies are promised to be saved by His life. Now everyone is not going to be saved by His life. That proves limited effectual atonement.
 
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Yes the whole world. Reconciled in this context simply means their sins are paid for .
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That is false, many have their sins charged to them. Jn 8:24

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins
 
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brightfame52 said:
That is false, many have their sins charged to them. Jn 8:24

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins
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Erm that's before Jesus dies for sins .
 
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brightfame52 said:
Those that were reconciled while being enemies are promised to be saved by His life. Now everyone is not going to be saved by His life. That proves limited effectual atonement.
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It doesn't say ' promised to be saved by His life.' ..let's stick to what it says please.
 
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