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Are you serious? The above is concerning when Christ had returned to Heaven after being crucified?
So Christ had no authority, glory or sovereign power before he returned to Heaven
Christ had glory with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD WAS MADE
All authority in Heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME. Matt 28:18
So Christ had no authority, glory or sovereign power before he returned to Heaven
Christ had glory with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD WAS MADE
All authority in Heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME. Matt 28:18
Let me ask you this
In my vision at night I looked and thgere before me was one like the son of man coming with the clouds of Heaven.
He approached the ancient of days and was led into his prescence
He was gioven authoirt, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him
His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed
Daniel 7:13&143
In my vision at night I looked and thgere before me was one like the son of man coming with the clouds of Heaven.
He approached the ancient of days and was led into his prescence
He was gioven authoirt, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him
His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed
Daniel 7:13&143
I am glad you mention John 17:5
Christ had glory with the Father before the world began. So when did the events above take place?
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Are you serious? The above is concerning when Christ had returned to Heaven after being crucified?
So Christ had no authority, glory or sovereign power before he returned to Heaven
Christ had glory with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD WAS MADE
All authority in Heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME. Matt 28:18
So Christ had no authority, glory or sovereign power before he returned to Heaven
Christ had glory with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD WAS MADE
All authority in Heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME. Matt 28:18
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Human argument. Chriast said while on earth
One greater than the temple is here, he was speaking in his eternal role then, why was he not in John 14:28
One greater than the temple is here, he was speaking in his eternal role then, why was he not in John 14:28
Ok now your just being purposefully ignorant, I said that Daniel's vision was prophetic of when Jesus ascended back to heaven after being here on earth. It has NOTHING to do with Jesus before that, you are trying to use something that has nothing to do with your argument. And on that note I am done throwing truth at a brick wall. Good Night and God Bless. I will pray that the Spirit helps you understand because obviously I can't with the truth from the scriptures.
Well goodbye. It was you who said the events in Daniel took place once Christ had returned to Heaven I was only repeating what you believe
They must have happened bnefore Christ came to earth or once he had returned to Heaven, it was a simple questioon, no need to get upset
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You will find, if not already, that LBG is not trying to learn anything concerning who Christ is, but is trying to convince you and others that you are not understanding the scriptures the way you should and that would be according to his own understanding. You will not be able to persuade him of what you believe in your heart to be the truth concerning Jesus Christ, the second Adam, who was God in the flesh. He will not bow to the doctrine of Christ, that the Holy Spirit has confirmed and witnessed in the scriptures, that makes Him God with us. To him Christ was only a reflection of the Father and not the exact expressed image and form of His person. He makes every effort to circumvent that Christ was God in the flesh as the only wise and true God, our Saviour (Jude 25). His questions all come from a heart of unbelief concerning the Son being equal to the Father. You can proceed as God leads you but unbelief is a powerful force of the heart that only God can turn.
All you can do it sems is to watch from the sidelines and pitch in an odd comment here or there to malign me to those who agree with your stance. That is very, very weak belief and assuredness concerning scripture on this subject
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Dan 7: 25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[d] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
This is the beast or antichrist!
26 ‘ But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’
This is post armageddon, When Christ returns to earth
Shall persecute[d] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
This is the beast or antichrist!
26 ‘ But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’
This is post armageddon, When Christ returns to earth
According to Dan 7: 27 it takes place AFTER the fourth beast is destroyed. Which has not happened yet.
So if that is true the Father has not yet given the son authority, glory and sovereign power, and for all peoples of every nation to worship him
And the son has no dominion or kingdom yet
Are you sure?
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So if that is true the Father has not yet given the son authority, glory and sovereign power, and for all peoples of every nation to worship him
And the son has no dominion or kingdom yet
Are you sure?
And the son has no dominion or kingdom yet
Are you sure?
Actually it is more confusing to believe Jesus is not God. How can jesus be above the angles? For only God can be this. How can Jesus be their before creation and help create all things if he is not God. How can jesus forgive sin, for even as he states only God can forgive sin (he tried to get the jews to see this, but only a few saw it) Jesus is Gods son, He was Gods son before time, Would not Gods son also be God?
John 8:42 If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I PROCEED FORTH and CAME FROM GOD: NEITHER CAME I OF MYSELF, but HE SENT ME.
The WORD proceeded out of Gods mouth. And that Word was turned into flesh.
John 8:43 WHY DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND MY SPEECH? EVEN BECAUSE YE CANNOT HEAR MY WORD.
Now God is putting Jesus in charge of the angels (God gave Jesus power to be in charge)
Hebrews 1:4 Being MADE so much BETTER THAN THE ANGELS, as he has by INHERITANCE obtained a MORE EXCELLENT NAME THAN THEY (angels).
All power comes from God, and God gave power to his SON. Because now his Son has got all the power doesn't mean that he is God himself. Jesus has been appointed to be in charge UNDER Gods authority.
Hebrews 1:5 for unto which of the Angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father and he shall be to me a SON.
None of the angels.
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he brings in the firstbegotten into the world, he says AND LET ALL THE ANGELS WORSHIP HIM
Gods Command to the angels to worship Christ.
Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he says, who makes his angels spirit and his ministers a flame of fire.
Hebrews 1:8 But on to the SON he said. THY THRONE O GOD, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
God has given Jesus power to be God. So he is God now, still not the Father.
Hebrews 1:9 Thou has loved righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore God, EVEN YOUR GOD had annointed thee with the oil of gladness above THY FELLOWS (Jesus still worships his God)
Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
You see, Jesus is now sitting next to God as God. Who is going to make his enemies his footstool? Answer: God. Not his son.
God created everything by his Word, and his Word is made flesh and his name is called Jesus.
In the beginning the Word was with God.
Genesis 1:26 And God said (spoke) Let us make man in our image .....
Who is us? That is God and his Word, which God turned that Word into flesh, and his name is Jesus.
Jesus became Gods son when he was born. He was also called the son of david and the son of man, and the Son of God. The Word is the Word of God. But since he was turned into flesh, that flesh became the Son of God.
Jesus forgives sin because he has been given the authority from God. You give your Word authority. Your word cannot give you authority. Hope this makes things clearer for you.
In the quote from Daniel Christ was given glory, authority and sovereign power, as Christ had these things BEFORE he came to earth he must have received them from the Father before the creation of the world
And which companions was Christ set above? Human beings on earth? Christ has always been above humans even when he walked this earth, he was the Holy Son of God while on earth, he did not need to be raised above his earthly companions
And which companions was Christ set above? Human beings on earth? Christ has always been above humans even when he walked this earth, he was the Holy Son of God while on earth, he did not need to be raised above his earthly companions
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In the quote from Daniel Christ was given glory, authority and sovereign power, as Christ had these things BEFORE he came to earth he must have received them from the Father before the creation of the world
And which companions was Christ set above? Human beings on earth? Christ has always been above humans even when he walked this earth, he was the Holy Son of God while on earth, he did not need to be raised above his earthly companions
And which companions was Christ set above? Human beings on earth? Christ has always been above humans even when he walked this earth, he was the Holy Son of God while on earth, he did not need to be raised above his earthly companions
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’
This is not happening right now. Remember after the vision you quoted Daniel asked for an explanation of what he saw. The verses I posted was the answer in reply to Daniel. Vs 27 is part of that reply also.
You will find, if not already, that LBG is not trying to learn anything concerning who Christ is, but is trying to convince you and others that you are not understanding the scriptures the way you should and that would be according to his own understanding. You will not be able to persuade him of what you believe in your heart to be the truth concerning Jesus Christ, the second Adam, who was God in the flesh. He will not bow to the doctrine of Christ, that the Holy Spirit has confirmed and witnessed in the scriptures, that makes Him God with us. To him Christ was only a reflection of the Father and not the exact expressed image and form of His person. He makes every effort to circumvent that Christ was God in the flesh as the only wise and true God, our Saviour (Jude 25). His questions all come from a heart of unbelief concerning the Son being equal to the Father. You can proceed as God leads you but unbelief is a powerful force of the heart that only God can turn.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. The express image of God's substance (not a separate "person"). The fullness of the Godhead... bodily. God is NOT three "persons".
But you require belief in the Trinity doctrine of men, or judge someone unsaved and devoid of eternal life.