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The_Watchers_2017

The_Watchers_2017

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Cameron143 said:
Do you believe all Christians have fruit produced in them by the Spirit?
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only by the Spirit.
and that happens when God says, feed this person, and you do it so it is GOD feeding that person, not you.
but to say No, to that, is Grieving the Holy Spirit.
God cannot use you.
so, you will never be bearing fruit.
why keep you then, when God says He cuts those kinds of branches off?
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
a branch that does not produce gets cut off.

so, how is what you say, factual?
your LAW, Doctrine, told you?
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You are taking a verse out of context that does not belong to the body of Christ. The body of Christ is sealed unto the day of redemption.
 
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John146 said:
You are taking a verse out of context that does not belong to the body of Christ. The body of Christ is sealed unto the day of redemption.
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Ha, we were thinking the same thing at the same time .:D
 
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John146 said:
You are taking a verse out of context that does not belong to the body of Christ. The body of Christ is sealed unto the day of redemption.
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how so, Grieving the Spirit of God is in same Verse as the Seal.
you just choose to ignore the warning.
because you choose something, why should i trust you with my Salvation?
 
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aren't you also a kjv only thumper, like it outranks the original Hebrew and original Greek?

as if anyone should take your advice :unsure:
 
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John146 said:
If we only had the original Hebrew and Greek....;)
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i do, i am Jewish, the Sofers have kept perfect record since God instructed the Sofers to keep it.

people act like the Torah/Tanakh in Temple was destroyed in the Temple with it.
but forget, the same Torah/Tanakh in the Temple, is the same that was in ALL of the Synagogues that survived.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
i do, i am Jewish, the Sofers have kept perfect record since God instructed the Sofers to keep it.

people act like the Torah/Tanakh in Temple was destroyed in the Temple with it.
but forget, the same Torah/Tanakh in the Temple, is the same that was in ALL of the Synagogues that survived.
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The "original" ten commandments were destroyed by Moses.:)
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
i do, i am Jewish, the Sofers have kept perfect record since God instructed the Sofers to keep it.

people act like the Torah/Tanakh in Temple was destroyed in the Temple with it.
but forget, the same Torah/Tanakh in the Temple, is the same that was in ALL of the Synagogues that survived.
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Have the Sofers kept records of the NT writings as well?
 
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Magenta said:
Have the Sofers kept records of the NT writings as well?
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but the point is we know Erasmus, author, of the Textus Receptus, wrote his process.

he begins with the 10th Century, which is LATIN [not Greek, translated Greek]
so, it's impossible the kjv has anything original attached to it.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
only by the Spirit.
and that happens when God says, feed this person, and you do it so it is GOD feeding that person, not you.
but to say No, to that, is Grieving the Holy Spirit.
God cannot use you.
so, you will never be bearing fruit.
why keep you then, when God says He cuts those kinds of branches off?
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The Spirit doesn't produce fruit in us based on our responses to His prompting. He simply does it sovereignly. This is the expression of what is found in Philippians 2:13...it is God who is at work in you,willing and doing of His good pleasure...
You are right that we can respond cooperatively or resist, and that is why the admonition is given in the previous verse...work out your own salvation in fear and trembling, for...
 
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Cameron143 said:
The Spirit doesn't produce fruit in us based on our responses to His prompting. He simply does it sovereignly. This is the expression of what is found in Philippians 2:13...it is God who is at work in you,willing and doing of His good pleasure...
You are right that we can respond cooperatively or resist, and that is why the admonition is given in the previous verse...work out your own salvation in fear and trembling, for...
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so, they just call it, "FRUIT of the SPIRIT," because it sounds good.
interesting!

we know God is working in us. He does that through His Spirit. and it only grows if you comply. so, it is actually a direct result of being obedient, which Grieving, is the direct opposite.
 
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no one Saved this past 2 minutes has the growth of the Spirit in them.
and no one gets the growth of the Spirit if they do not submit to it.
what is submitting?
obeying!
 
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John146 said:
And I have access to everyone of them
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through multiple translations.


the Hebrew says by the Loftiness [which is overwhelming power] God did things.

the kjv says, the power of God is like a UNICORN.

nowhere, to even being close, to the same!

2 completely different realms and description of God's true Power.
 
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I think we need to look and see who Paul was talking to here. This was a letter written to the Ephesians who were visited by Apostles and Disciples after the crucifixion. How many believe they are sealed today but actually might not be sealed, yet?

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
 
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