The Seven Feasts are all about Jesus.

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WomanLovesTX

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If you 'are' a 'child of Israel', WHAT are you rehearsing for?

Specifically.

Is there a super-secret code or dance or formula that God is going to require that if we haven't 'practiced' the Feasts we won't know a secret hand-shake or something and we won't get into God's Kingdom?

Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but so many HRMers/Torah Folk have been taught and tell us that we're supposed to be 'preparing' or 'practicing' for Christ's return by celebrating the Feasts - have you ever asked yourself what exactly is your part to play in the Final Things besides being in Christ?

-JGIG
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מקרא
miqrâ'
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From H7121; something called out, that is, a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the palce); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

Convocation
CONVOCATION, n. [L.]

1. The act of calling or assembling by summons.

2. An assembly.

In the first day there shall be a holy convocation. Exo 12.

3. In England, an assembly of the clergy, by their representatives, to consult on ecclesiastical affairs. It is held during the session of parliament, and consists of an upper and lower house. In the upper house sit the archbishops and bishops; in the lower house sit the inferior clergy, represented by their proctors, consisting of all the deans and arch-deacons, of one proctor for every chapter, and two for the clergy of every diocese, in all one hundred and forty-three divines, vix. Twenty-two deans, fifty-three arch-deacons, twenty-four prebendaries, and forty-four proctors of the diocesan clergy.

4. An academical assembly, in which the business of the university is transacted.

Yahwey's convocations = telling us when to assemble together.

Just think about Passover. Every year it was "rehearsed" as God commanded. Then the year of Christ's passion, He fulfills the Passover in every way. If you were standing beside the road waiting for the High Priest to come in to Jerusalem with the chosen perfect lamb, ready to cry out Hosanna to the highest, and here comes Jesus, and the people lined up beside the road are calling out Hosanna to the highest, and the High Priest is still some distance away and he hears the people proclaiming Hosanna to the highest, you might know, if you are expecting literal fulfillment, that literal fulfillment is happening at that very moment.

Now, my belief is that just as Jesus fulfilled the Spring Feasts 100% (Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Pentecost) that Jesus will fulfill the Fall Feasts 100%. Not rocket science?

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

So why was there need to for Paul to write to them? Why are they NOT IN DARKNESS? Is it that they know the times and the seasons (ie. The Fall Feasts)?

While most of modern traditional Christianity is going around telling everyone about Christ and His imminent rapture of the Church on any old day will He come, the children of Israel have a firm and secure faith that Christ will not return on any old day. The Feast of Trumpets (which the Jews call Rosh Hashana...New Year) will be when Christ will return and fulfill all of the Fall Feasts 100%, just as He has already done for the Spring Feasts of Yahwey.

If you care nothing for the "Old Testament" which is "instructions and sure words of prophecy", then you are not of Christ. Christ expects us to know which Feast when He will return and He expects His bride to be ready.

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

God does not change his mode of operation. Period. Christ came to reinforce all that God had already commanded. Christ stated He was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Christ did fulfill the Passover lamb sacrifice and the goat sacrifice on the Day of Atonement. All other sacrifices are "offerings" of freewill and based on individuals and heart motives. All corporate sacrifices for Israel were fulfilled in Christ.

Here is a few verses that stand out to me.

Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God (that is Yahoshua which means God’s salvation or Yah’s salvation) is sent unto the Gentiles[SUP]G1484 [/SUP] (lost sheep of the house of Israel) , and that they will hear it.
Psa 98:2 The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.
Psa 98:3 He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Gen_48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Deu_6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Mat 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Mal_1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh_17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
1Co_8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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danschance

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God does not change his mode of operation. Period.
This is blatantly in error. God's character does not change(Heb 13:8) but His methods change all the time. God is the single most creative being of all time. Sometimes Jesus healed with a touch, sometimes He rubbed mud made with spite on people to heal them other times He simply spoke the command to be healed but you are claiming God does not change his mode of operation and yet we see many examples of Him operating in many modes. You are claiming the law is permanent but this is not found in scripture. Actually the bible declares the Mosaic law to be a shadow (Col 2:17).
 
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Kerry

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Well when Moses himself could not keep the law that God gave through him. Then you add the fact that some 3,000 people died the day the law was given and then some 3,000 people were saved the first time Peter preached the gospel (and that being the cross). It makes you wonder what God;s intentions were?
 

john832

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Since Christ was the ultimate sacrifice, for all time, what need is the for any type of animal sacrifice?
What were animal sacrifices to accomplish in the first place? First and foremost, they did not pay the price for sin...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

There is only One sacrifice that can take away sins...

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Animal sacrifices NEVER took away sins. If that is the case, then what purpose did they serve?

Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

they pointed to Christ's sacrifice for sin...

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

They were the teacher, the schoolmaster that pointed to, foreshadowed, instructed of some very important information about sin.

1) Sin requires blood...

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

2) If we pay the price for our sin, we are dead...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

3) If we are to receive eternal life, blood has to be shed but not our own. We need a Savior...

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

During the Millenium, Satan will be bound and unable to incite sin. The world will be a very different place. Mistakes will be made and sins committed, but it will be much different than this world we live in today. People will need instruction about sin and the terrible results caused by it. They will need a schoolmaster to show that sin requires blood, paying the price results in death and they need a Savior.

Those bloody lessons will still need to be learned and sin will still need to be remitted and people will still need instruction (schooling) on how they may have their sins remitted.
 

john832

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May 31, 2013
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#65
Well when Moses himself could not keep the law that God gave through him. Then you add the fact that some 3,000 people died the day the law was given and then some 3,000 people were saved the first time Peter preached the gospel (and that being the cross). It makes you wonder what God;s intentions were?
And your point is? Go out and break the Law any way you want to and as much as you want to?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What were animal sacrifices to accomplish in the first place? First and foremost, they did not pay the price for sin...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

There is only One sacrifice that can take away sins...

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Animal sacrifices NEVER took away sins. If that is the case, then what purpose did they serve?

Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

they pointed to Christ's sacrifice for sin...

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

They were the teacher, the schoolmaster that pointed to, foreshadowed, instructed of some very important information about sin.

1) Sin requires blood...

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

2) If we pay the price for our sin, we are dead...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

3) If we are to receive eternal life, blood has to be shed but not our own. We need a Savior...

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

During the Millenium, Satan will be bound and unable to incite sin. The world will be a very different place. Mistakes will be made and sins committed, but it will be much different than this world we live in today. People will need instruction about sin and the terrible results caused by it. They will need a schoolmaster to show that sin requires blood, paying the price results in death and they need a Savior.

Those bloody lessons will still need to be learned and sin will still need to be remitted and people will still need instruction (schooling) on how they may have their sins remitted.

they will still have the same Logos we have, Which teaches the law the same way it teaches us.

They will also have the greatest teacher the world has ever known to teach them.

They will NOT need physical reminders. any more than we need them today.