The Seven Holy Spirits of God
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Lack of sincerity I hear you.
I can also feel the same way towards certain pretentions myself.
Its not like your cold hearted when your not buying whats being sold to you, although the salesman might feel like its a little frosty around you, its simply because your not warming up to their lies.
At least thats how I am seeing it.
I can also feel the same way towards certain pretentions myself.
Its not like your cold hearted when your not buying whats being sold to you, although the salesman might feel like its a little frosty around you, its simply because your not warming up to their lies.
At least thats how I am seeing it.
Friend, there is only one GOD, GOD the FATHER, SON, and the HOLY SPIRIT.
The ones you are referring to are 'spirits'.
Hebrews 1;13,14
'And to which of the angels has HE ever said, "Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"? Are they all not ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation.'
In this case i believe the writer is referring to 'angels'.
On the the other hand there are also spirit-man after CHRIST.
They are not 'angels' but are 'like one'.
Because CHRIST said this in the written Gospel of the HOLY BIBLE that;
"There is no marriage in Heaven. All of you will be 'like angels' worshiping GOD day and night."
The ones you are referring to are 'spirits'.
Hebrews 1;13,14
'And to which of the angels has HE ever said, "Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"? Are they all not ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation.'
In this case i believe the writer is referring to 'angels'.
On the the other hand there are also spirit-man after CHRIST.
They are not 'angels' but are 'like one'.
Because CHRIST said this in the written Gospel of the HOLY BIBLE that;
"There is no marriage in Heaven. All of you will be 'like angels' worshiping GOD day and night."
Friends, have you heard the term used in a weddings, 'marriage made in Heaven', said by Christians and even perhaps by a 'minister', when a couple gets married in the church. To tell you the 'truth this is a 'false testimony' of a 'carnal' Christian in 'lawlessness' practice, lack in Spiritual knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE and one can be also a 'minister' for GOD in the church but sadly a 'deceiver' to GOD's lambs and sheep.
This is not a judgement against them, but a 'caution' to watch out for them, even Christians who think and sound wise, please GOD's lambs and sheep, do not to follow or immitate them, for they are not your MASTER's 'voice' for you all to follow.
Actually the term 'marriage made in Heaven' are 'Spiritual' and to be understood 'spiritually' by a 'spiritually blessed' believer, is actually referring to 'CHRIST and HIS bride, the church'.
Couples getting married here on earth are actually taking part in the 'marriage made on earth' by GOD and blessed by GOD from the beginning written in the book of Genesis.
What is in Heaven, stays in Heaven and what is here on earth, stays on earth.
Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all with HIS kindness and peace.
This is not a judgement against them, but a 'caution' to watch out for them, even Christians who think and sound wise, please GOD's lambs and sheep, do not to follow or immitate them, for they are not your MASTER's 'voice' for you all to follow.
Actually the term 'marriage made in Heaven' are 'Spiritual' and to be understood 'spiritually' by a 'spiritually blessed' believer, is actually referring to 'CHRIST and HIS bride, the church'.
Couples getting married here on earth are actually taking part in the 'marriage made on earth' by GOD and blessed by GOD from the beginning written in the book of Genesis.
What is in Heaven, stays in Heaven and what is here on earth, stays on earth.
Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all with HIS kindness and peace.
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Okay, so are we still going to post on these things and consider them without the troll?
I cannot see the seven stars as the seven Spirits of God in revelation so claerly as He seems to show us what each are.
For example firstly, the seven Spirits are shown (before the throne)
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches (candlesticks) which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Then here seven stars in his right hand
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Then the mystery of the seven stars in his right hand
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand,
and the seven golden candlesticks.
Of these seven stars in his right hand are the angels (of the seven chruches)
The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:
and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand,
who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 3:1 And unto the angel (a star) of the church (candlestick) in Sardis write;
Now both here (the seven Spirits and the seven stars/angels)
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars (angels);
I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
And then here no mention of the seven stars with the seven Spirits but horns and eyes
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
So seven horns (not mentioned at all in revelation)and seven eyes (which were to be on the stone laid before Joshua Zech 3:9) and here is where these both are shown as the seven Spirits of God sent into all the earth.
Rev 1:4 .... we see the seven Spirits of God which are before his throne;
Rev 1:16 ... we see the seven stars in his right hand
Rev 1:20...and we are told the mystery of the seven stars (in his right hand) are the angels (of the seven churches/ candlesticks)
Rev 3:1 shows both together with a a comma and an "and"betweenthe seven Spirits and seven stars (we are told are angels) here
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;
Whereas here no stars are mentioned in Rev 5:6 but rather seven eyes and seven horns which are the seven Spirits this way
Rev 5 :6 a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Stars in his hand (and the mystery of the same being angels) could very well be shown in the law then, ordained by angels in the hand of the mediator (Gal 3:19)
The stone laid before Joshua would have seven eyes upon and those same seven eyes are shown in Rev 5:6 where the picture of the lamb that had been slain is shown where there is nothing there about the seven stars but seven Spirits (which are shown before the throne) in Rev 1:4 whereas the seven stars are shown in his right hand Rev 1:16 And both the seven Spirits and seven stars are mentioned together in Rev 3:1.
Now Jesus being conceived of the Holy Ghost was annointed by the Spirit through John and he himself (by the Spirit) was driven out into the wilderness to be tempted of Satan right after. In the end there we see in Mat 4:11 where the angels came and ministered to him. So how can the seven eyes upon him (who is both the stone and the Lamb that was slain) be the angels, when these came to him (even as they minister unto the heirs of eternal salvation (as they did Jesus Christ as well?) And likewise it shows that Jesus come back in the power of the Spirit after that.
But I cannot see how the seven Spirits = the seven stars (which are the angels of the seven churches) that is unclear to me how that can be given all the scripture (minus some not posted) which hasnt made that too clear. Although to me it looks like the fulness of God in both the stone (or as was in Christ) who ascended as the Lamb slain and the same seven Spirits (or one which divideth severally) being sent, represent of his fulness we have received.
I just cant see the same being of the angels even though I know the verses of making his angels ministering spirits and all but only because of how its set up in Revelation, which appears to put a barrier up to meshing the two together there. At least for me anyway.
Still looking at this though, posted on the seven eyes before with all my questioning there and I do not really asking anything because I kick myself for asking things on boards alot, but if anyone can make it mesh give it whirl I would love to see that.
I cannot see the seven stars as the seven Spirits of God in revelation so claerly as He seems to show us what each are.
For example firstly, the seven Spirits are shown (before the throne)
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches (candlesticks) which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Then here seven stars in his right hand
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Then the mystery of the seven stars in his right hand
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand,
and the seven golden candlesticks.
Of these seven stars in his right hand are the angels (of the seven chruches)
The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:
and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand,
who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 3:1 And unto the angel (a star) of the church (candlestick) in Sardis write;
Now both here (the seven Spirits and the seven stars/angels)
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars (angels);
I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
And then here no mention of the seven stars with the seven Spirits but horns and eyes
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
So seven horns (not mentioned at all in revelation)and seven eyes (which were to be on the stone laid before Joshua Zech 3:9) and here is where these both are shown as the seven Spirits of God sent into all the earth.
Rev 1:4 .... we see the seven Spirits of God which are before his throne;
Rev 1:16 ... we see the seven stars in his right hand
Rev 1:20...and we are told the mystery of the seven stars (in his right hand) are the angels (of the seven churches/ candlesticks)
Rev 3:1 shows both together with a a comma and an "and"betweenthe seven Spirits and seven stars (we are told are angels) here
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;
Whereas here no stars are mentioned in Rev 5:6 but rather seven eyes and seven horns which are the seven Spirits this way
Rev 5 :6 a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Stars in his hand (and the mystery of the same being angels) could very well be shown in the law then, ordained by angels in the hand of the mediator (Gal 3:19)
The stone laid before Joshua would have seven eyes upon and those same seven eyes are shown in Rev 5:6 where the picture of the lamb that had been slain is shown where there is nothing there about the seven stars but seven Spirits (which are shown before the throne) in Rev 1:4 whereas the seven stars are shown in his right hand Rev 1:16 And both the seven Spirits and seven stars are mentioned together in Rev 3:1.
Now Jesus being conceived of the Holy Ghost was annointed by the Spirit through John and he himself (by the Spirit) was driven out into the wilderness to be tempted of Satan right after. In the end there we see in Mat 4:11 where the angels came and ministered to him. So how can the seven eyes upon him (who is both the stone and the Lamb that was slain) be the angels, when these came to him (even as they minister unto the heirs of eternal salvation (as they did Jesus Christ as well?) And likewise it shows that Jesus come back in the power of the Spirit after that.
But I cannot see how the seven Spirits = the seven stars (which are the angels of the seven churches) that is unclear to me how that can be given all the scripture (minus some not posted) which hasnt made that too clear. Although to me it looks like the fulness of God in both the stone (or as was in Christ) who ascended as the Lamb slain and the same seven Spirits (or one which divideth severally) being sent, represent of his fulness we have received.
I just cant see the same being of the angels even though I know the verses of making his angels ministering spirits and all but only because of how its set up in Revelation, which appears to put a barrier up to meshing the two together there. At least for me anyway.
Still looking at this though, posted on the seven eyes before with all my questioning there and I do not really asking anything because I kick myself for asking things on boards alot, but if anyone can make it mesh give it whirl I would love to see that.
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Let us see in the other part of the HOLY BIBLE, in the book of Daniel, where the 'messenger' sent for Daniel was held up by another angel placed over that 'nation'. And Michael the archangel was sent for the 'rescue'.
The same 'angels' placed over every church and they 'symbolize' as a 'lamp stand' over that church. They may perhaps 'play' a different 'role' from a 'ministering spirit'.
Let's say 'as the saying goes', for a simple understanding, 'a guardian angel' placed over the seven churches, which consist of HIS prize purchased and precious lambs and sheep'.
In other words let us consider, also 'a cherubim' placed to guard the 'Tree of Life' in the garden of Eden.......................... .
The same 'angels' placed over every church and they 'symbolize' as a 'lamp stand' over that church. They may perhaps 'play' a different 'role' from a 'ministering spirit'.
Let's say 'as the saying goes', for a simple understanding, 'a guardian angel' placed over the seven churches, which consist of HIS prize purchased and precious lambs and sheep'.
In other words let us consider, also 'a cherubim' placed to guard the 'Tree of Life' in the garden of Eden.......................... .
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Ive read most of the parts and can basically have my own argument against myself or one giant scripture pitting party (with just myself alone). This has been bothering me for quite awhile. Now I see these one way (whereas an old freind of mine sees them in another). Aparently we both stand in doubt of how the other sees the thing.
I'll give the benefit of the doubt and would seek to recconcile them all to the other side, but I just cannot do that.
So I was interested more in someone to show their skill in the scriptures to recconcile them accordingly in that same thought.
If you see the Spirits mentioned with the stars (angels) together I would need to be explained how you arrive there when it appears they are not speaking of the same there (just in Revelation). Could be (im open to it) but I need some decent workmanship shown on it. In recconciling these things together, which is sorta what I look for in a decent teacher, although I know there arent too many teachers here, but sometimes you get lucky and someone can show it (and I would just regard them naturally as a teacher) because I just would, at least skilled enough to show a few things. Know what I mean?
The seven eyes upon the one stone for instance, do you see those seven eyes as the seven angels (stars) upon one stone (meaning Christ) the man who is the Branch (as well as the Lamb) as well.
Do you connect the seven eyes on him (The Stone/Branch/Lamb) more to the seven stars/angels (in his right hand) or rather to the seven eyes/horns/ Spirits of God (before the throne) in some way?
And how would you (specifically) show it using the scripture (very simply).
So as to rule one or the other out there.
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Rev 1v4: “Grace and Peace…from the seven spirits which are before His Throne.”
Some think that the seven spirits that are before the throne of God represent the seven-fold ministry and perfections of the Holy Spirit as recorded in Isaiah 11v2-5, however, they are undoubtedly the seven archangels referred to in Rev 8v2, who stand before God and blow the seven trumpets. Rev 3v1, 4v5. The benediction of grace and peace, not only comes from God our Father and the Lord Jesus, but also from the seven great angels that stand before the throne. These seven great angels, like all good angels, are full of love, good will and kindness towards us, they partake of the Father's heart and manifest love and all the other fruits of the Spirit to perfection.
In Rev 5v6, these mighty angels are said to be the horns and eyes of the Lamb, who are sent into the earth, and Zech 4v7-10, informs us that “those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.” They were vitally connected with the revival which took place through God's grace in the time of Zechariah. They are almost certainly the “Watchers and Holy Ones” of Dan 4v13,17,23,24, who have such great delegated authority from God, that they could even make a decree that brought judgement upon Nebuchadnezzar, and their decree became the decree of the most High. Gabriel had authority to strike Zechariah dumb because of his unbelief. Luke 1v19,20...
Yahweh Shalom
Some think that the seven spirits that are before the throne of God represent the seven-fold ministry and perfections of the Holy Spirit as recorded in Isaiah 11v2-5, however, they are undoubtedly the seven archangels referred to in Rev 8v2, who stand before God and blow the seven trumpets. Rev 3v1, 4v5. The benediction of grace and peace, not only comes from God our Father and the Lord Jesus, but also from the seven great angels that stand before the throne. These seven great angels, like all good angels, are full of love, good will and kindness towards us, they partake of the Father's heart and manifest love and all the other fruits of the Spirit to perfection.
In Rev 5v6, these mighty angels are said to be the horns and eyes of the Lamb, who are sent into the earth, and Zech 4v7-10, informs us that “those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.” They were vitally connected with the revival which took place through God's grace in the time of Zechariah. They are almost certainly the “Watchers and Holy Ones” of Dan 4v13,17,23,24, who have such great delegated authority from God, that they could even make a decree that brought judgement upon Nebuchadnezzar, and their decree became the decree of the most High. Gabriel had authority to strike Zechariah dumb because of his unbelief. Luke 1v19,20...
Yahweh Shalom
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Remarkable that God should give you such revelation.
The seven eyes are the seven stars and the seven messengers and the seven angels and the seven lamps and the seven Spirits of God.
The one stone is the fullness of the Godhead - in Christ.
I find it difficult to show scripture by scripture or debate or elaborate on my view because I tend to have no patience and it is late here
The seven eyes are the seven stars and the seven messengers and the seven angels and the seven lamps and the seven Spirits of God.
The one stone is the fullness of the Godhead - in Christ.
I find it difficult to show scripture by scripture or debate or elaborate on my view because I tend to have no patience and it is late here
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Remarkable that God should give you such revelation.
The seven eyes are the seven stars and the seven messengers and the seven angels and the seven lamps and the seven Spirits of God.
The one stone is the fullness of the Godhead - in Christ.
I find it difficult to show scripture by scripture or debate or elaborate on my view because I tend to have no patience and it is late here
The seven eyes are the seven stars and the seven messengers and the seven angels and the seven lamps and the seven Spirits of God.
The one stone is the fullness of the Godhead - in Christ.
I find it difficult to show scripture by scripture or debate or elaborate on my view because I tend to have no patience and it is late here
Where might you be catching it in the manner you are catching it though?
Because I dont believe that is how I am catching it.
Starting in Zech 3:9 there is a prophesied stone (I see as Jesus Christ) and the seven eyes upon the one stone (Jesus) to be a representative of the fulness of the Godhead bodily, thus the seven horns and seven eyes shown in the picture of the Lamb that stood (as it were slain) in Rev 5:6 being shown together as the seven Spirits of God (sent out into the earth). And given of the one and same Spirit (which is shown to divide severally) in 1 Cr 12:11 I believe the same could be understood to be a picture of the fulness of the Godhead) as is shown in Col 2:9 which he had bodily which we also (the church) have received as John 1:16 speaks of the same. And if the same truly be a representive of the fulness of the Godhead he had bodily (or seven eyes on one stone) I think it makes great sense to see as the seven Spirits of God which are likewise sent into the earth after being shown the lamb that was slain in Rev 5:6 as his fulness (we have received). So, more after that manner am I understanding it, which (for me) makes more sense of all the places combined.
Whether of the stone upon whom is seven eyes, or the man (the Branch) which had a number of the spirits of God upon the same (Isaiah 11:1-2). Even the Lamb (that was slain) stood where you can see the same seven eyes (but adds) seven horns and these it says are the seven Spirits of God.
So I was banging my head against the notion that these same seven spirits are the seven stars (angels), when they are mentioned both separately and along side separately from the seven Spirits of God. So I thought I would ask if someone could show this where it meshes or does not and seek to better recconcile the pictures (if possible). Whether to show that these seven Spirits of God = seven angels of God (which are shown as seven stars) not the other. Even though I am aware of other verses (such as he maketh his angels spirits) his eyes a flaming fire ect.
There are legions of these we know. And so (in my mind) if these seven eyes upon the stone (which I see as Jesus Christ) be the seven stars/ angels, why would Jesus said, Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? Doesnt he have seven stars (rather then eyes) on him now? See how I am reasoning with it? Okay I am being a tad ridiculous there.
We know there are far more then just seven angels (even as there are innumerable stars) that he maketh his angels ministering spirits and we see the same come to him ministering to Jesus Christ in the wilderness (when the season of his temptations had ended). The same strengthened him and he returned in the power of the Spirit after. So as they (the angels) are sent out to minister to the heirs of salvation (even as ministering spirits) we see the same there even as we see the same in Elijah 1 Kings 19:7 so I catch alot of the places where the same can be justified but in other places its just not making sense.
So, I was just running into a problem recconciling the whole idea without any doubt concerning the interpretation (or I am trying to). And what is posted is less then what I am trying to recconcile into this same pattern of thinking.
Thats all.
Welp, eventually I'll get it (Lord willing ofcourse).
God bless you Deliever