The sign of Jonas, three days and three nights

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Not necessarily Friday. We know for certain that the resurrection happened sometime after sundown that begins 17 Nisan......the day after the nearest normal Saturday Sabbath after Passover which is always Sunday. However, Passover can occurr ANY day (other than Saturday as far as I know.....but please Check on that), so it is perfectly conceivable to get an exact 72 hours if the burial was after sundown (start) Thursday, reresurrection just after sundown (start) Sunday . I was a partial Friday man for quite some time....but now Thursday looks better to me. But Friday is the most flexible choice. Really not that important IMO. Jesus is not mistaken whatever the case may be.
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Another thought.....the burial procedure could have taken hours. Death at 3pm, a completed burial coud have been well past sundown. The enbalming team would have been unclean for 7 days, so it would make no difference to them whether the burial was before or after sunset. And the prophesy pertained to burial....not time of death.

And thats why I am a Thursday man.
 
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cv5 said:
Not necessarily Friday. We know for certain that the resurrection happened sometime after sundown that begins 17 Nisan......the day after the nearest normal Saturday Sabbath after Passover which is always Sunday. However, Passover can occurr ANY day (other than Saturday as far as I know.....but please Check on that), so it is perfectly conceivable to get an exact 72 hours if the burial was after sundown (start) Thursday, reresurrection just after sundown (start) Sunday . I was a partial Friday man for quite some time....but now Thursday looks better to me. But Friday is the most flexible choice. Really not that important IMO. Jesus is not mistaken whatever the case may be.
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First Jesus was buried before sundown...
Luk 23:56 KJV And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
See they managed to returned and prepared spices...then rested.
2. The 72 hours is not applicable.
Say Jesus was buried. At 4pm thursday + 72 hrswould bring the resurrection to 4pm sunday...which is not scriptural.
Mar 16:9 KJV Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Early the first day of the week.
I suggest you watch the video.
 
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cv5 said:
Another thought.....the burial procedure could have taken hours. Death at 3pm, a completed burial coud have been well past sundown. The enbalming team would have been unclean for 7 days, so it would make no difference to them whether the burial was before or after sunset. And the prophesy pertained to burial....not time of death.

And thats why I am a Thursday man.
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See post # 102
 
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First Jesus was buried before sundown...
Luk 23:56 KJV And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
See they managed to returned and prepared spices...then rested.
2. The 72 hours is not applicable.
Say Jesus was buried. At 4pm thursday + 72 hrswould bring the resurrection to 4pm sunday...which is not scriptural.
Mar 16:9 KJV Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Early the first day of the week.
I suggest you watch the video.
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Luke 24:54
"It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning"
Yes, you could be right about burial before sundown. The phrase also could mean the Sabbath had begun. I have no problems either way honestly. Its either Friday or Thursday.
 
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cv5 said:
Luke 24:54
"It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning"
Yes, you could be right about burial before sundown. The phrase also could mean the Sabbath had begun. I have no problems either way honestly. Its either Friday or Thursday.
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no the sabbath could have not begun..that's breaking the commandment(preparing the spice after they have returned, note..walking back might take a minimum of 5 minutes)... its not either also... it must be one or the other.
 
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no the sabbath could have not begun..that's breaking the commandment(preparing the spice after they have returned, note..walking back might take a minimum of 5 minutes)... its not either also... it must be one or the other.
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That is the women only....they were not defiled. The burial team under JofA definitely were, and we know nothing of them, or the precise timing. They may have lingered slightly beyond sundown....or not.

I am fine with all three scenarios:
1) the "long" (Wed before sundown, resurrection Sunday after sundown = +72 hrs)
2) the "exact" (Thurs after sundown, same resurrection = exactly 72 hours)
3) the "partial days" (Fri before sundown, resurrection any time Sunday before Angelic intercession).

But #2 is perfectly plausible.
 
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cv5 said:
That is the women only....they were not defiled. The burial team under JofA definitely were, and we know nothing of them, or the precise timing. They may have lingered slightly beyond sundown....or not.

I am fine with all three scenarios:
1) the "long" (Wed before sundown, resurrection Sunday after sundown = +72 hrs)
2) the "exact" (Thurs after sundown, same resurrection = exactly 72 hours)
3) the "partial days" (Fri before sundown, resurrection any time Sunday before Angelic intercession).

But #2 is perfectly plausible.
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As said...sabbath applies to all.men and women.
And as for your no. 2. The 72 hours puts your resurrection on sunday (after sundown) which is not in accordance with mark 16:9.
 
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cv5 said:
That is the women only....they were not defiled. The burial team under JofA definitely were, and we know nothing of them, or the precise timing. They may have lingered slightly beyond sundown....or not.

I am fine with all three scenarios:
1) the "long" (Wed before sundown, resurrection Sunday after sundown = +72 hrs)
2) the "exact" (Thurs after sundown, same resurrection = exactly 72 hours)
3) the "partial days" (Fri before sundown, resurrection any time Sunday before Angelic intercession).

But #2 is perfectly plausible.
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I would offer.

The Thursday would seem to be the time of the first part of three part demonstration of "heart of the earth" or "belly of the whale". A metptphor called hell, a living suffering.No dead lifeless, spiritless sacrifices. The lifeless spiritless literal blood must be poured into the dust so it can return from where it came. The lifeless spiritless clay of the field.

It began in the garden of Gethsemane. Just as it left in the garden of Eden .When the father began pouring out his wrath on the Son. And the son by reasoning of suffering the living pangs of hell. . . . cried out and was sent messages from the father of encourage (words of spirit life). .The father kept his body from corrupting totally (death) by giving him life of his own a Spirit. As the father of all spirit life.

Unto death. Not dead (lifeless spiritless) . .The Spirit of Christ our new born again spirit that we have in us, not of us, cannot die .

The death Jesus spoke on in John concerning Lazarus who was said to be dead. The disciples had no understanding. And Jesus had to define that parable as dead asleep .

God kept Lazarus's body from corruption (death) four days . Four had a different purpose than three which means the end of the matter. The promised demonstration of the father and the Son could of been performed in a minute if God desired . Three again would seem to denote the end of a matter. Four. . . . north, south, east and west more as representing universal. (1 Chronicles 9:24) A picture of every believers new birth. the disciples were to remove the grave clothes to show it was temporal . the next time we aris he will cloth us covering the nakedness we had.

Matthew 26:38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

The father had put the disciples to sleep to show the kind of work was limited to the two .The father and the Son . And again the wrath became to much of a burden and Jesus was strengthened by the angels words from the father. After the 3rd time the father woke up the sleepy heads. It was different kind of demonstration than the cross part of the demonstration. Where it would seem men were influenced by the father of lies a sin inspired mob had a part in it. ( the witness of men)

The witness of God the first part. I would think would be the greater witness of the two .The witness of faith (the unseen eternal) Greater than I believe that of the witness of men, the cross that seen the temporal . Both are necessary and must be mixed. .

Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Then the other two parts of the demonstration of the "belly of the whale" a living suffering can be used .The cross and the tomb .
 
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watcher2013 said:
no the sabbath could have not begun..that's breaking the commandment(preparing the spice after they have returned, note..walking back might take a minimum of 5 minutes)... its not either also... it must be one or the other.
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I conducted some research and discovered the following:
So maybe a Friday Passover is correct. Who really knows, as the insertion of Adar II happened whenever the Priest thought necessary.

The eve of Passover CAN occur on Shabbat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_of_Passover_on_Shabbat

Supposedly Passover (Nisan 15) can never occur on a Thursday:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/04/why-dont-easter-and-passover-always-line/587572/

"And as it happens, the first night of Passover can never fall on Maundy Thursday, even though that holiday commemorates a seder. That’s because Passover can never begin on Thursday, ever. “The calendar is rigged so that [seder] can fall only on certain days of the week,” Dreyfus told me. “If Passover started Thursday night, it would push Rosh Hashanah the following year to start on Saturday night.” And neither Rosh Hashanah nor Yom Kippur, the two High Holidays of the Jewish year, can fall the day after Shabbat."

Also Matt 28:1 states "after the Sabbath(s)" (plural), so back to back Fri and Saturday are inferred.

So perhaps a Thursday before sunset burial is the best fit. This would allow a partial day and two full days and evenings and a partial evening equalling 3 nights and three days.
 
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watcher2013 said:
As said...sabbath applies to all.men and women.
And as for your no. 2. The 72 hours puts your resurrection on sunday (after sundown) which is not in accordance with mark 16:9.
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The burial team was defiled, and burials took precidence over anything including Sabbaths. The Jews never left bodies unburied, it could happen any time24/7.
 
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cv5 said:
The burial team was defiled, and burials took precidence over anything including Sabbaths. The Jews never left bodies unburied, it could happen any time24/7.
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the girls just watch where the body was laid....
 
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cv5 said:
I conducted some research and discovered the following:
So maybe a Friday Passover is correct. Who really knows, as the insertion of Adar II happened whenever the Priest thought necessary.

The eve of Passover CAN occur on Shabbat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_of_Passover_on_Shabbat

Supposedly Passover (Nisan 15) can never occur on a Thursday:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/04/why-dont-easter-and-passover-always-line/587572/

"And as it happens, the first night of Passover can never fall on Maundy Thursday, even though that holiday commemorates a seder. That’s because Passover can never begin on Thursday, ever. “The calendar is rigged so that [seder] can fall only on certain days of the week,” Dreyfus told me. “If Passover started Thursday night, it would push Rosh Hashanah the following year to start on Saturday night.” And neither Rosh Hashanah nor Yom Kippur, the two High Holidays of the Jewish year, can fall the day after Shabbat."

Also Matt 28:1 states "after the Sabbath(s)" (plural), so back to back Fri and Saturday are inferred.

So perhaps a Thursday before sunset burial is the best fit. This would allow a partial day and two full days and evenings and a partial evening equalling 3 nights and three days.
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This is how jesus count the days..
Luk 13:32 KJV And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
Applying your thursday.
Today- thursday
Tomorrow- friday
Third day- saturday...
Jesus to rise third day..will be your fourth day...
JESUS was handed to the sinners thursday night - thats when he was swallowed by the earth...1st night
Friday day ( 1st day) he was crucified and buried before sundown.
Friday night - 2nd night
Saturday day - 2nd day
Saturday night - 3rd night
Sunday morning - 3rd day and also thee THIRD DAY...
 
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watcher2013 said:
This is how jesus count the days..
Luk 13:32 KJV And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
Applying your thursday.
Today- thursday
Tomorrow- friday
Third day- saturday...
Jesus to rise third day..will be your fourth day...
JESUS was handed to the sinners thursday night - thats when he was swallowed by the earth...1st night
Friday day ( 1st day) he was crucified and buried before sundown.
Friday night - 2nd night
Saturday day - 2nd day
Saturday night - 3rd night
Sunday morning - 3rd day and also thee THIRD DAY...
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I like that... that's good stuff!
 
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re: "Luk 13:32 KJV And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected."

What if He said, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and tonight and tomorrow day and night, and the third day and night I shall be perfected"?
 
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