The Snake from The Garden

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notbythesword

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This is something that I have been pondering recently as well. Here are two interesting verses side by side for reflection in this study.

Then the Lord God said to the serpent: Because you have done this, you are cursed more than any livestock and more than any wild animal. You will move on your belly and eat dust all the days of your life…Genesis 3:14

The Lord asked Satan, “Where have you come from?” “From roaming through the earth,” Satan answered Him, “and walking around on it.”…Job 1:7
 
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Was it literally a snake, or was it something else?

Please, if you can, document your answer from the Word.

Thank You!
Satan is an angel,so he is invisible to people,so when he appeared to Eve it would have to be a visible image of him,for she could not see his angelic form.

So it would not be hard to believe it was a snake,for would people think it was human form,for why would it matter back at the time of Adam and Eve if Satan appeared as a snake,for today we would think if a snake spoke to us we are crazy,but back then at the time of Adam and Eve it would not be a crazy thing if a snake spoke to Eve,for she did not know what we humans knew later on in history,and she would be like a child back then believing anything for the world has not operated by a standard conduct,and a certain reality,for a certain amount of time,so to Eve it would appear as normal to her,and not shock her,for she did not the operation of things yet and what all is involved with reality to say I am crazy because this snake is speaking to me.

Satan appearing as a snake to Eve and her not thinking she is crazy,is the same as a young child believing in Santa Clause,or the Easter Bunny,for they cannot decipher reality yet to the full extent,but in the case of Eve it would be even more feasible for her to not think anything is weird about a snake talking to her,as a child that believes in Santa,or the Easter bunny,or I got your nose,for even a child will see through that eventually.

Satan appearing to Eve as a snake is not shocking like a person walking down the street is not shocking to us,for she did not know the full extent of reality to know it is weird for a snake to talk to her like we would today.

If you get what I mean,but God probably does not allow things like that to happen today lest people think they are crazy,but at the time of Eve she would not think it is crazy.

If God created you,and you had no prior experience of anything,and was the first human on earth,unicorns could dance around you,and clouds could smile from the heavens at you,and horses could talk to you,and pigs could fly,and you would not think anything about it and would not appear as weird to you,for how do you know the operation of things,but today we would say we are going crazy,or should of not took that hit of acid.

I believe Satan did appear to Eve as a snake,where she would not think it was weird,but God does not allow things like that now,for He does not want people to think they are crazy for we view reality a certain way,although a donkey did speak to Balaam because God put the words in the donkey's mouth.

I might be going overboard,but to Eve it would not be weird for a snake to speak to her,as it would be for a snake to speak to us,because we know the standard operations of reality,and if God allowed Satan to tempt Eve to see where her loyalty lies because her and Adam have a choice,and she could not see him in angelic form,a snake does not hinder that temptation,for Eve would not think it was weird,but if God allowed us to be tempted He would not allow a snake to speak to us,for we would run thinking we are crazy.

With that being said I believe it was a literal snake,for Eve could not see Satan in angelic form,and she would not think it was weird for a snake to speak to her,so it would not hinder the temptation put to her.
 
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Balaams donkey also spoke and he didn't think anything of it either lol

Maybe I'm being naive but perhaps we should just believe scripture like a child?
Balaam was in the middle of a hissy fit, so he did think something of it, and told off the poor donkey. (Which was the reason the donkey talked, too.) Surprise was involved in that scene.
 
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Was it literally a snake, or was it something else?

Please, if you can, document your answer from the Word.

Thank You!
I didn't really think I could add anything to what is already known when I read this earlier. But then I remembered learning something about Moses staff. The word for "serpent" and Moses' staff are the same word. It's also, somehow connected to the rooted word for "magic." (Root word. Not the word for "magic." I'm just saying the two words are connected somehow.)

I do think the snake was a snake, but not a critter we'd ever asscoiate with a snake. It had legs, before God cursed it. I also think it was more than your run-of-the-mill garden snake. I do think it is related to Satan.

Just can't prove any of it. After all, the Bible is a book about God, not snakes, Satan, or even us.
 

prove-all

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Matthew 10:16 (King James Version)
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.


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Probably from G3700 (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake,

figuratively (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan:
- serpent.
 

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Matthew 10:16 (King James Version)
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.


G3789
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ophis
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Probably from G3700 (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake,

figuratively (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan:
- serpent.
I just looked at other scriptures that use the word serpent. I saw some things that go with your post. Enchantment was most prevalent, but this other...watching to see what a person says in order to snatch the words for evil intent, and to learn by experience.

Am not sure why to learn by experience would be serpentine.
 
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I just looked at other scriptures that use the word serpent. I saw some things that go with your post. Enchantment was most prevalent, but this other...watching to see what a person says in order to snatch the words for evil intent, and to learn by experience.

Am not sure why to learn by experience would be serpentine.
I'm laughing here...watching to see what a person says in order to snatch the words for evil intent...sounds like the forums. I shouldn't be laughing but it got my funny bone...
 
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Matthew 10:16 (King James Version)
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.


G3789
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ophis
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Probably from G3700 (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake,

figuratively (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan:
- serpent.
I don't think this means that Satan is wiser than others. Just that we should know that evil exists in the world, that people have bad intentions, but still choose to love and pray for them anyway even if we know they hate us.
 

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all through the bible we see names are changed, when there character changes,

Lucifer after sin is called a snake or serpent, a character change.


the names in the bible have a lot of meaning
 
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Folks....think, it is obvious that a snake did not talk to Eve. The beast that spoke to Eve had legs, maybe two, maybe four, however He had LEGS. The curse that God placed on him was that from that moment on he would crawl on his belly, his actual form was changed. Since that beast was changed into a beast that crawls on his belly the man called him serpent(man named all the animals). Revelation gives us an actual picture of the form of Satan, he was a great serpent creature. When the angel binds Satan for a thousand years he lays hold on a great serpent, not an angel. The beast who was cursed to become serpent like in form and that was in the Garden of Eden was the Devil.
 

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Matthew 10:16 (King James Version)
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.


G3789
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ophis
of'-is
Probably from G3700 (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake,

figuratively (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan:
- serpent.

Hi Prove-all,

Here's a comment I found while surfing the web from ucg.org.


Snakes are pros at escaping. Their most common form of self-protection is avoidance. A snake’s first line of defense is to escape to safety among rocks or vegetation. Snakes have to be alert to dangers. Most snakes are not aggressive. Snakes do not want to attack humans. Snakes bite humans only in self-defense. They would rather not confront us.

Remember, a synonym for wise is prudent. Do these facts bring any scriptures to mind? Let’s read Proverbs 27:12 in the New International Version: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.” Another verse earlier in Proverbs mentions both wisdom and prudence: “The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways” (14:8, NIV).
So it seems that we can be as wise as serpents by perceiving and avoiding danger and escaping from it!
To be harmless is to lack the capacity to injure or to be free from inflicting physical or mental damage. Other translations use “innocent” or “inoffensive” instead of “harmless” for this verse. Innocent means to be harmless in effect or intention. Inoffensive means to be giving no provocation.
Doves aren’t referred to as the birds of peace for nothing. Their temperament is calm and their disposition is sweet. Doves do not bite. At most they might slap you with a wing if they are guarding the nest or do not want to be picked up. Doves really are harmless.
 
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Folks....think, it is obvious that a snake did not talk to Eve. The beast that spoke to Eve had legs, maybe two, maybe four, however He had LEGS. The curse that God placed on him was that from that moment on he would crawl on his belly, his actual form was changed. Since that beast was changed into a beast that crawls on his belly the man called him serpent(man named all the animals). Revelation gives us an actual picture of the form of Satan, he was a great serpent creature. When the angel binds Satan for a thousand years he lays hold on a great serpent, not an angel. The beast who was cursed to become serpent like in form and that was in the Garden of Eden was the Devil.

Was for sure the devil, but MOSES wrote GENESIS and GOD inspired MOSES to call him the serpent........the demon LEGION wanted to posses the hogs...maybe SATAN chose the snake to possess.......
 
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Was it literally a snake, or was it something else?

Please, if you can, document your answer from the Word.

Thank You!
First realize that Serpent and Worm had the same meaning back then...



Now look up verses with Worm in it for greater Illumination, like this one...

Job 17:14
"I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister"


or this one...

Job 25:6
"How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?"


Jesus making a show of his enemy, the Worm.

Now add...

Isaiah 41:14
"Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel"


Keep adding the clues...

Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel"


Lucifer and Worms...

Isaiah 14:11
"Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee"


Eventually, you will get it.

 
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Enchantment was most prevalent...
Exodus 7:11
"Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments"


Enchantments - Strong's 3858: Lahat
Short Definition: Flaming


Strong's Hebrew: 3858. לַ֫הַט (lahat) -- flaming

Where else is this word used?



Oh really?

Ezekiel 28:14
"Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire"


Stones of Fire...

 
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I think to more understand what the Snake or Serpent was we have to understand what its role was. For myself the Serpent was just another of Gods creations. And I don't think the Serpent literally spoke to Eve. Not as we speak to each other. To understand its role what did it do to beguile Eve. Beguile is to charm or enchant. So I believe Eve had perhaps noticed the Serpent in the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Seeing the Serpent hadn't died she believed she also could expose herself to the tree. Well what was the tree ? None other tan Satan himself.
 
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Off topic sorry but man this bird is a talker.. lol...

[video=youtube;9y3VX8VU9kI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y3VX8VU9kI[/video]
 

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Perhaps back then before the world was marred from sin - the animals could speak...maybe not with the speech we use but the could communicate with Adam Eve some how? Obviously Eve wasn't shocked when a serpent spoke to her.

If it was us you think we would be shocked that an animal could talk and we would say " Do you know Francis the talking mule? - he talks too"

( obviously I have no scripture for it - it doesn't seem to be much of a priority with the Lord right now in this present age )


[video=youtube;cX_tE0M3ZCI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX_tE0M3ZCI[/video]
Mr. Ed can talk too. He is a horse, of course.
 
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Was it literally a snake, or was it something else?

Please, if you can, document your answer from the Word.

Thank You!
My two cents.
What it was no one knows for sure. What we do know is it was changed and arms and legs were removed. It could be a picture to show they were not walking by faith but rather by sight . Whatever form it had it was it was appealing to the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh ,and pride of life. The three avenues Satan slithers through.

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


God who has no form wanted them to obey His voice by faith. He did not want them to experience death by putting their trust in that which is seen, the cause of any fall.

So it’s not as if the serpent that previously had no form had a voice. But more the father of lies gave him a voice by putting his thoughts on the mouth of the serpent.

It would seem God performed a work to counter act what the father of lies performed , knowing ahead of time in respect to ceremonial law an Ass It was used to represent the unclean, as in natural unconverted men. That ass was used to represent a unbeliever, in order for it to live it must be redeemed with a lamb.

Like all ceremonial laws they were used as a parable to represent the suffering of Christ beforeh and and the glory that did follow .It is how the gospel was preached. They looked ahead to encourage them we look back.

Exodus 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Numbers 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?


I believe this shows Balaam as a false prophet and that God is not served by human hands .He can use a unbeliever just as well as one who does have faith . In the same way He opened the mouth of the ass, He puts His words on the lips of His prophets /apostles He sends .
 
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Because the bible identifies the beast that talked with Eve as a serpent BEFORE it was in the form of a serpent, we therefore tend to believe that Eve talked to a serpent as like taking to a snake...did not happen. We can deduct that the beast was reptilian and the word serpent tends to hold the idea of something fantastic to look at. He was probably in the basic form of a human since Eve seemed to be unperturbed by his presence. The bible does not really tell us what Satan is except that he is reptilian and was cursed to crawl on his belly.
 
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Ahhh leave the poor little snakes alone, you know that script is just symbolic...