the sons of god

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Verse 2 says ...and the earth was without form. The actual hebrew word says "became to lie waste". That is one thing. Be back...
Here is another word to look up replenish hmmm this one everyone likes to use also
 

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the sons of God in that context are of the same type of creatures as Satan. They came together. so whatever satan is they are
 

oldhermit

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How do you come to this conclusion? The text does not imply this.
 

stonesoffire

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you dont get it

i am going with your theory and tell me if it makes sense

The earth existed
Then there was a war God verses the devil
So the earth was destroyed in this war
God spend 6 days to recreate the world
But forgot to put the devil out hmmmmmm
I will address this post and Old hermits question. First, I already said that I believed that the scripture in Job was referring to the first age and the sons of God was the humans of that age. So it all ties in.

This has all been the plan of God before any creation...for His Son was crucified before creation...remember that?

There has been "in the fulness of time" in all things. Or when the time was right...the law was given...when the time was right, the Saviour came....when the time is right...satan is done away with and a new creation of God with men.

True?
 

john832

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No. This is not what the Hebrew word means or even implies.
Why would you say that?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word was comes from...

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

And is rendered became here...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

without form comes from...

H8414
תּהוּ
tôhû
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

and void comes from...

H8414
תּהוּ
tôhû
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

Yep, Gen 1:2 would better be rendered..

And the earth became a desolation and a worthless thing.

The result of Satan's rebellion.
 

stonesoffire

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When God first created the earth it was perfect. Isaiah 45:18. Something happened to change that. Void in verse 2.
 
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I will address this post and Old hermits question. First, I already said that I believed that the scripture in Job was referring to the first age and the sons of God was the humans of that age. So it all ties in.

This has all been the plan of God before any creation...for His Son was crucified before creation...remember that?

There has been "in the fulness of time" in all things. Or when the time was right...the law was given...when the time was right, the Saviour came....when the time is right...satan is done away with and a new creation of God with men.

True?
the scripture does not say a earth existed before so the son of God were the humand how many times did Jesus die

Did He die in that age the Went back to Go then came and die again


So ther were other resurections before that
then the devil is second devil
 

stonesoffire

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For some reason John, I can't "like" your post. So will do it here. Very good!
 
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off topic isn't it? We know in the re creation that Light is seperated from it.
nope it is right in the topic darkness is something created by God just because you do not see God said let ther be darkness does not me it was not create by Him

What is darkness ?

can man create it
 

oldhermit

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Why would you say that?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word was comes from...

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

And is rendered became here...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

without form comes from...

H8414
תּהוּ
tôhû
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

and void comes from...

H8414
תּהוּ
tôhû
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

Yep, Gen 1:2 would better be rendered..

And the earth became a desolation and a worthless thing.

The result of Satan's rebellion.
Perhaps I was wrong about the word. Thank you for the etymology.
 

john832

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For some reason John, I can't "like" your post. So will do it here. Very good!
Not sure why the idea of a 14.5 billion year old universe is such a problem for some. It is the only way to reconcile all do the scriptures.
 
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When God first created the earth it was perfect. Isaiah 45:18. Something happened to change that. Void in verse 2.
What earth are you talking about here the one you said was destroyed with the war
 

john832

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Perhaps I was wrong about the word. Thank you for the etymology.
Hey, none of us know all the truth, look at what Paul said...

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

If he saw through a glass darkly, where does that leave me?
 
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Not sure why the idea of a 14.5 billion year old universe is such a problem for some. It is the only way to reconcile all do the scriptures.

the bible does not say the earth is billions nor million of tears Jesus returns on the 7000 year of creation then the 8000 a new begining hmmm you should know this

please explain to me Why my wise God would recreate the earth and leave the devil on it to mess it up ?

what happen to the other humans did Jesus die for them also

This is ridiculous who believe that a earth existed
You try describiing the earth and the universe that has nothing in you words hmmm darkness was created remember that
 
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oldhermit

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Hey, none of us know all the truth, look at what Paul said...

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

If he saw through a glass darkly, where does that leave me?
I would enjoy discussing this in greater depth but I do not wish to hijack this thread.
 
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off topic isn't it? We know in the re creation that Light is seperated from it.
what i dont get is this if your theory is true then we are to look for part 3 and 4 and for Jesus to die again because God is going to lose the devil to mess up His future kingdom again
 

stonesoffire

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This is from my Oxford bible

The beginning of the earth may have been countless ages ago. This is in no way contradictory to the Bible. We know that when God first created the earth, it was perfect. It is thought that the angel Lucifer lived on the earth for a time, perhaps as it's king. He has been identified with the King of Tyre, Ezk 28: 13- 15, but Lucifer became the one whom we know as satan, or the devil, for he became proud and wanted to be as great as God. Isa 14:14. For this sin God had to punish him Ezk 28:16. Although his power and majesty were not taken from him, his beauty was corrupted, his wisdom was changed to cunning, his intimate relationship with God was over, and this earth was destroyed. Jer. 2:23. It is thought that the earth was tilted out of its place; the oceans overflowed. Every living thing died instantly from the terrible cold (ice age) that seized the earth. The fossils (animals or plants, or traces of animals or plants buried or preserved in solid rocks or caves) are all that is left of that former creation.


There are two periods of time, each of which may have been thousands of years long. One of these took place between the time when the earth was first created perfect. Gen 1:1, and when it was laid waste. Gen 1: 2. the other period of time took place between the moment when the earth was laid waste and the re creation. The story of the recreation begins with the second sentence of Gen 1: 2.