"The Soul That Sinneth, It SHALL Die."

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Phoneman-777

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throughfaith said:
Your parroting the same verses taken out of context, The Catholics, Jehovah witnesses , Mormons and all false religions and cults use .
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LOL "out of context"? LOL Friend, is "he that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him" contextual enough for ya?:cool:
 
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Who is Jesus speaking to ? Who is God speaking to when he says " build an Ark " ? How about " don't eat from that tree " ? is that to us also ? . This is called faulty reasoning ." Hes speaking to a man , I'm a man therfore he's speaking directly to me " . I'm considered a disciple, therefore he's speaking to me " ...this is the problem with Christians today . Every verse is speaking to them .
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The problem with Dispensationalists is that they chop up the Bible into so many pieces that it resembles a space alien autopsy, of which not even they can make heads or tales.;)
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
The problem with Dispensationalists is that they chop up the Bible into so many pieces that it resembles a space alien autopsy, of which not even they can make heads or tales.;)
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I believe the bible . I read it in context. Some Just read it devotionally and in mystical fashion as if every verse speaks to them . drop a finger upon the page " yup thats my verse for today " No clue about who the Author is addressing, when, why and what . If Jesus speaks this is elevated above all sense and context as if God isn't authoring all verses. Famously the pentacostals are guilty of this followed by the Calvinists . No clue of the difference between the OT and New T
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
The problem with Dispensationalists is that they chop up the Bible into so many pieces that it resembles a space alien autopsy, of which not even they can make heads or tales.;)
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I imagine your bible study resembles reading a set of passages and asking " how does this verse apply to my life "
 
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The writer of Hebrews was speaking of Jews who knew of Jesus, heard the message of the salvation and rejected it. They wanted to return to law of Moses.
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There's a diff between "hearing" and "receiving" a knowledge of the truth. Receiving implies internalization, whereas one can hear a thing without internalizing it.
 
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throughfaith said:
I believe the bible . I read it in context. Some Just read it devotionally and in mystical fashion as if every verse speaks to them . drop a finger upon the page " yup thats my verse for today " No clue about who the Author is addressing, when, why and what . If Jesus speaks this is elevated above all sense and context as if God isn't authoring all verses. Famously the pentacostals are guilty of this followed by the Calvinists . No clue of the difference between the OT and New T
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No, you chop up the Bible to make it say what you want. Sure, there are symbolic passages that require interpretation, but Dispensationlism denies across-the-board application of Biblical principles because of the unwelcome implications which arise.
 
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throughfaith said:
I imagine your bible study resembles reading a set of passages and asking " how does this verse apply to my life "
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I imagine you Bible study resembles reading a set of passages and asking yourself, "How can I twist this to get around doing what I don't want to do?"
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Salvation is a relationship in Christ, not a rubber stamp on your forehead. That's why He said we must "abide in Him". If it were a rubber stamp, then what's the point in warning us of consquences for not abiding?
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There's a diff between "hearing" and "receiving" a knowledge of the truth. Receiving implies internalization, whereas one can hear a thing without internalizing it.
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Well again your have to take the test within context. These were Jews who had come close but ultimately rejected it.

Is it your contention that God will essentially remove the seal from an elected individual?
 
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Aerials1978 said:
Well again your have to take the test within context. These were Jews who had come close but ultimately rejected it.
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I'm sure there will come along another OSAS thread where we can pick up the discussion. I've gotten off track from the OP, which is that the "...the soul that sinneth SHALL die" doesn't refer to spiritual death, but a literal death of the soul...the point being that souls are not kept alive for eternity in torment.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
No, you chop up the Bible to make it say what you want. Sure, there are symbolic passages that require interpretation, but Dispensationlism denies across-the-board application of Biblical principles because of the unwelcome implications which arise.
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Could you give an example where I " chop up the bible to make it say what I want " ?
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
I imagine you Bible study resembles reading a set of passages and asking yourself, "How can I twist this to get around doing what I don't want to do?"
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Its quite simple . I start with the presupposition that the bible is Gods word and i read it in context.
 
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throughfaith said:
Catholics teach that you have to die in a state of grace . Thats close to what you teach.
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If our only options are to die in a state of grace or disgrace, which group do you think will wake up in the Resurrection of the Just?
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
If our only options are to die in a state of grace or disgrace, which group do you think will wake up in the Resurrection of the Just?
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You miss it . Those who are sealed by the Holy Spirit , regenerated will be glorified. We don't save ourselves .
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
If our only options are to die in a state of grace or disgrace, which group do you think will wake up in the Resurrection of the Just?
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The options are to believe the truth of the Gospel so as to be saved, or not .
Those who have recieved christ will then be glorified ( recieve the adoption) Those that refuse to believe the truth will not .
 
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throughfaith said:
Could you give an example where I " chop up the bible to make it say what I want " ?
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Claiming that James' words are only applicable to the 12 tribes, which is asinine.

First of all, 10 of the 12 are totally lost at the time of the writing of his letter.
Secondly, Christians are "spiritual Israelites" partakers of the NC, to which James' words spiritually apply.
Thirdly, Dispensationalism BY ITS VERY NAME means to chop up!
 
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throughfaith said:
Its quite simple . I start with the presupposition that the bible is Gods word and i read it in context.
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Start with a presupposition?
Good gravy, we should NEVER approach the Bible with ANY supposition in any form. That's why you guys never arrive at spiritual enlightenment, but only compounded delusion.
 
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throughfaith said:
You miss it . Those who are sealed by the Holy Spirit , regenerated will be glorified. We don't save ourselves .
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You didn't answer the question. We either die in a state of grace or disgrace...Which group is Jesus going to resurrect to eternal life.
 
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