The Spirit of Prophecy

AnandaHya · Nov 29, 2011

Since we seem to have so many "prophets" popping up.

thought we should discuss discernment and how to determine if the words they speak are really from GOD.

Here's a major test:

Do their words Point to JESUS?

if the answer is NO, then they are a FALSE Prophet.

Do their words CONTRADICT the BIBLE?

IF the answer is YES, then they are a False PROPHET.

Do they ask for money before telling you their prophecy?

IF the answer is YES, then they are a WOLF and a False Prophet.

Do they say that its ok to sin as long as you give them money?

IF the answer is Yes, then they are a False Prophet

Do they say they can heal you if you do something for them, and if you don't get healed its because of YOUR lack of faith?

Then they are False prophets

Do they preach or teach you to COMMAND GOD through your prayers to get what you want?

then they are false teachers, but that is another topic.....

anyways, do you have other warning signs that the person speaking to you is NOT a prophet of GOD but a false one?

Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?

Jeremiah 6:13
“ Because from the least of them even to the greatest of them, Everyone is given to covetousness; And from the prophet even to the priest, Everyone deals falsely.

Jeremiah 14:14
And the LORD said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.

if they don't point to JESUS they may be operating under the direction of a spirit but that spirit is NOT from GOD.

For the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY is the Testimony of JESUS CHRIST!

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

jonathanbchristian · Nov 29, 2011

There are so many post about false prophets I believe some people are forgetting that there are real prophets.
Here's another test:

If the person who claims to be a prophet is born again: then they could be a real prophet.

If they claim to have the gift of prophecy: they could be a real prophet.

If what they say is in accord with Scripture: they could be a real prophet.

If they confess that Jesus came in the flesh: they could be a real prophet.

If what they prophesy comes true: they could be a real prophet.

Jer. 7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising early and sending them:

Acts 21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judea a certain prophet, named Agabus.

AnandaHya · Nov 29, 2011

jonathanbchristian said:

2 Corinthians 11:13-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Deuteronomy 13

*1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

jonathanbchristian · Nov 29, 2011

Do you really believe you would give a test to a prophet? Think about it. Who has time for you to give them a test. It's really unrealistic if you really believe. Would Agabus take everyone's survey? It would be like you needing to prove you are born again to everyone. Do you want people to test you to find out if you are born again? Even if you said everything right they would still be able to say that you can not prove you are not living sinful and lost. You cannot prove you have excepted Jesus by just saying you know how. It's the same thing! Even if a prophet told you everything correctly you would still say he has no proof. Agabus would probably just tell you to leave him alone. Who cares if you get a prophecy or not? God gives prophets to people who recieve prophets, he does not give prophets to people who do not believe in them.

NoahsMom · Nov 30, 2011

Scarey . ...............

Tobby17 · Nov 30, 2011

If what they say don't come to pass, they are Fake...

cronjecj · Nov 30, 2011

Are you accepted in your own country? Luke 4:24 (KJV)

prophecyman · Nov 30, 2011

I want to make it clear... I never claimed to be a Prophet. Generally on any subject I support it by scripture. Its common sense that not everyone will agree with your points or perceptions. Do I often point to Jesus, yes!

I advocate the command of Jesus in Mt.28:19 and I understand it well. I also know that throughout the Books of Acts, the Apostles baptized converts specifically in the name of Jesus. A few scriptures.... Acts 2:38, Acts 4:12, Acts 8:12,16, Acts 10:43-48, Acts 19:1-6

I believe water baptism in the name of Jesus, and I would not say over the convert... I now baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. No! I baptize exactly as the Apostles would have, and exactly as was recorded in the N.T.

I preach the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues, and there is more than enough convincing proof supported by the book of Acts to support that doctrine.

But what I have found is people argue with Jesus, thinking they know the plan of salvation and so advocate the Roman road to Salvation. Or they say... Just believe on the Lord Jesus, turn from sin, and accept him into your heart.

I have news for you... that salvation formula can not be found in the bible, none of the Apostles taught it that way. They were promoting the Name of jesus which means Salvation.

But there are folks that say... Baptism is not necesarry, but is only an outward sign of your obedience! I just wonder where that doctrine popped up?

I believe in holiness before the Lord...When I say the Lord, I mean the Lord Jesus! Scripture teaches there is only one Lord, so who is Jesus? Hmmm.

I advocate that you read those scriptures that I provided in Acts, I dare anyone to tell me that the Apostles did not baptize literally in his name.

The bible teaches in Eph. 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism. 1st Cor.8:6 This is what I preach, this is what I believe.]
1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

prophecyman · Nov 30, 2011

cronjecj said:

No and I am not accepted even in my own family, but yet I don't claim to be a Prophet.

AnandaHya · Nov 30, 2011

jonathanbchristian said:

too many lies to address right now.

Most of the OT prophets were rejected, Jesus was rejected.

God does not give prophets to people who receive prophets. He gives them to people who are disobedient and in need of rebuke. who He loves and tries and chastens and turn from their sin back to HIM.

He sends prophets because of His mercy.

iLuke 6:26
Woe to you when all men speak well of you, For so did their fathers to the false prophets.

schoolofyoungprophet · Nov 30, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Since we seem to have so many "prophets" popping up.

thought we should discuss discernment and how to determine if the words they speak are really from GOD.

Here's a major test:

Do their words Point to JESUS?

if the answer is NO, then they are a FALSE Prophet.

Do their words CONTRADICT the BIBLE?

IF the answer is YES, then they are a False PROPHET.

Do they ask for money before telling you their prophecy?

IF the answer is YES, then they are a WOLF and a False Prophet.

Do they say that its ok to sin as long as you give them money?

IF the answer is Yes, then they are a False Prophet

Do they say they can heal you if you do something for them, and if you don't get healed its because of YOUR lack of faith?

Then they are False prophets

Do they preach or teach you to COMMAND GOD through your prayers to get what you want?

then they are false teachers, but that is another topic.....

anyways, do you have other warning signs that the person speaking to you is NOT a prophet of GOD but a false one?

Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?

Jeremiah 6:13
“ Because from the least of them even to the greatest of them, Everyone is given to covetousness; And from the prophet even to the priest, Everyone deals falsely.

Jeremiah 14:14
And the LORD said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.

if they don't point to JESUS they may be operating under the direction of a spirit but that spirit is NOT from GOD.

For the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY is the Testimony of JESUS CHRIST!

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

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AnandaHya · Nov 30, 2011

schoolofyoungprophet said:

cool

look forward to reading it and hearing your thoughts on the article

TheAristocat · Nov 30, 2011

prophecyman said:

Baptism as necessary for salvation? Meh. To claim it as necessary someone would have to have a lot of evidence to support that stance - evidence I don't see. Was Abraham baptized? I can't remember him being "baptized" but he still appears in the Kingdom of God I believe. You could also receive the Holy Spirit and be accepted by God without water baptism as documented in the New Testament. But can you be saved and accepted by God if you reject his provision through Christ for you? Nope. That seems to be the determining factor.

I had a one or two week-long discussion with a man about the necessity of baptism and in the end he convinced me to be baptized because it was important. However, he did not convince me that it was necessary for salvation. And when a truth is apparent - no matter how it conflicts with my former preconceptions - I usually accept it with relative ease.

becausehedied · Nov 30, 2011

TheAristocat said:

Abraham did not need to be baptized because he lived at a time when it had not been commanded.

Baptism was not commanded until John the Baptist came into the picture. Jesus baptism did not come into play until after he had been crucified, buried, and resurrected.

Jesus commanded it.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Also remeber Christ said that, "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him--the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day." - John 12:48

Peter and the other apostle did just as Christ commanded them.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

Act 2:47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

How where these folks saved? (read the context)

Act 19:1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples
Act 19:2 he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Act 19:3 And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism."
Act 19:4 Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus."
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

Peter says that baptism saves us, this is not Holy Spirit baptism as many try to make it. (read the context)

Just as Noah was saved through water (v.20), there is an antitype (v.21) that now saves us.
1Pe 3:20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
1Pe 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

We recieve that good conscience because our sins have been washed away (Acts 22:16)
"And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'"

How do we die to sin, how do we gain entrance into Christ?

Paul explains:
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
Rom 6:3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,
Rom 6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
Rom 6:7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,

Also Galatians 3:27.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Paul explains that the Mosaic Law was a tutor to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:25).

Abraham along with all the OT characters died without receiving the promise, but they died in faith believing that it would come to pass.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Here the writer explains that since we have such a great host of witnesses, we must look to Jesus.

Heb 12:1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

God saw Jesus slain before the foundation of the world - Revelation 13:8.

becausehedied · Nov 30, 2011

Here is something to go with this thread.

2Pe 1:16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
2Pe 1:17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
2Pe 1:18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
2Pe 1:19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
2Pe 1:21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

The word interpretation means origin.
Part of Speech: Noun
Case: Genative (possession, "of"; also origin or separation, "from")
Number: Singular
Gender: Feminine

Peter is referencing Matthew 17:1-5.

The Hebrew writer says this:

Heb 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Context is everything and everything has a context.

cronjecj · Nov 30, 2011

Faith scriptures,

faith made whole (Mark 10:52)
Her faith was made whole (Mark 5:34) (Matthew 9:22)
He believed (Mark 9:24)
Believe on Him (John 6:29)
Access into His grace by faith (Romans 5:2)
Justified by faith (Romans 1:17)
works are the result of faith (James 2:18)
saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8)
Faith is the substance of things hoped for (Hebrews 11:1)

How to obtain faith?

Only believe (Mark 5:36)
Repent and believe (Mark 1:15)
Only believe and ye shall be made whole (Luke 8:50)
Faith comes by hearing the word (Romans 10:17)
Receive and believe on Him (John 1:12)
He that believes on Him is not condemned (John 3:28)
Confessing Jesus Christ with thy mouth (Romans 10:9)
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21) Romans 10:13)
All that call upon the name of the Lord (1 Corinthians 1:2)

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Baptism scriptures,

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19)
Baptize and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38)
Baptize and wash away thy sins (Acts 22:16)
Baptized into His death (Romans 6:3)
Buried with Him in baptism (Colossians 2:12)
Baptized into Christ (Galatians 3:27)
Baptism also now saves you (1 Peter 3:21)

becausehedied · Nov 30, 2011

cronjecj said:

You can post all the Scriptures you want but unless you tie them together in context it is not necessary.
How many Scriptures are needed to prove that something is true?

Did God command baptism?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Act 8:13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done.

Act 8:16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Act 8:36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, "See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?"

Act 8:38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.

Act 9:18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.

Act 10:47 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"

Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.

Act 16:15 And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay." So she persuaded us.

Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.

Act 18:8 Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.

Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Act 22:16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'

Rom 6:3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Faith is what prompts one to act and do Gods will.

The Scriptures you posted about ones faith making them well, that is when Christ was on earth and capable of forgiving sin and healing.

The others must be kept in context and viewed in light of the whole Bible.

You obtain faith by hearing and accepting Gods word Romans 10:17.

Every Scripture is given by inspiration of God - 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
How do you determine which ones to use?

This question may seem irrelevant but it is not, it is to prove a point.

What is the name of the man that cut off the ear of the servant of the High Priest and what was the name of the man who had his ear cut off in the garden? Use only Matthew 26:51.

cronjecj · Nov 30, 2011

becausehedied

Jesus commanded to baptize them. He didn't say one must be baptized in order to obtain salvation.

but what im stating is that there are scripture that supports faith (obedience are the result of faith by the way) and you will be saved.

..and there are scripture that supports baptism of water.

becausehedied · Nov 30, 2011

cronjecj said:

What about Mark 16:16, "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved."
or 1 Peter 3:21 baptism saves us?

You are correct in saying that obedience is the result of faith.
If what you mean by this statement is that faith leads one to be obedient to God.

Which leads to the logical conclusion if Jesus commanded it then it must be necessary.

Other wise why would he command it?

How many commands are given that are unnecessary?

If what you are saying is that one will be baptized because he has already been saved but it is not necessary, then you are saying that obedience is not necessary for salvation. Because to be obedient to the will of God baptism is command even if an act of obedience.

cronjecj · Nov 30, 2011

becausehedied said:

Commanded to baptize them in the name of the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost. (but did he include any sort of salvation in here?)

1 Peter 3:21 where it states that
baptism now also saves us.

Romans 10:13 where it states that
whosoever calls upon the name of
the Lord shall be saved.

We are to be baptized because it is what the Lord wants.
BUT there are scriptures that supports whosoever calling on
His name or just believing in Him not just baptists.

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